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'Putin Has Effectively Crossed the Rubicon': Putin Critic Bill Browder on Backlash in Russia (Original Post) ruet Sep 2022 OP
Putin has exposed the weakness of his military LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #1
Yikes - 78% lost rate for the tanks in the theater !! nt. Pluvious Sep 2022 #5
Just one FYI: N Korea says they have not and have no intention of selling armaments to russia PortTack Sep 2022 #2
Hmmm... Bucky Sep 2022 #7
Those numbers are appalling Warpy Sep 2022 #3
Three times 3x what Russians lost in Afghanistan in ten years. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #9
I know, and the Kremlin knew they were at the breaking point then Warpy Sep 2022 #10
Putin needs to cross the Jordan. Chainfire Sep 2022 #4
The Rubicon is in Italy, btw Bucky Sep 2022 #6
It's getting worse Kyesha Sep 2022 #8

PortTack

(32,755 posts)
2. Just one FYI: N Korea says they have not and have no intention of selling armaments to russia
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 01:45 PM
Sep 2022

Our intelligence does not show any movement of armaments from N Korea to the east of Russia.
Also, Ukrainian forces take time to determine a shell’s origin and find nothing from N Korea.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
3. Those numbers are appalling
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 02:36 PM
Sep 2022

He's lost more in 7 moths what it took the US nearly 20 years to lose in Vietnam.

Russians have always worn suffering like a badge of honor. They reached their limit in WWI. I think they will likely reach their limit in this one, also, and soon. The traffic jams at all borders tell that tale.

The military is outmoded and ill equipped, but it's not weak. It's just fighting the wrong kind of war.

Putin is now boxed in. He loses (and he will), he gets pitched out of a window or faces a firing squad. He uses a tactical nuke, NATO will make certain a great part of his military infrastructure is gone and they will do it with conventional warfare. The only real question is how long he'll be able to delay the inevitable.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
10. I know, and the Kremlin knew they were at the breaking point then
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 06:59 PM
Sep 2022

which is why they pulled out before that war bankrupted the country and depleted the work force any more.

Russia is a huge country, the comment I've heard most often is that getting from one place to another requires at least 12 hours by train, and usually more than that. The population is low, only 145 million before Putin started his war. It's most likely dropped by a couple of million since then, mostly educated young people. They are not going to recover from this until and unless they make Russia a place young people want to live in, and their conscription is going in the opposite direction. People might be really patriotic, but they don't want to die in a war over nothing but some old man's crazy dogma.

 

Kyesha

(30 posts)
8. It's getting worse
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 05:59 PM
Sep 2022

Radio Svoboda claims that some Russian men are being detained at the Georgian border and made to sign draft papers. This is horrifying for everyone involved. Imagine a Russian commander leading a company full of untrained, pissed-off conscripts who now have guns and would gladly shoot anyone except a Ukrainian. I'd say Russia has been here before, like during World War 1, except this time they're not fighting invaders.

Really scary stuff now.

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