When Not Showing Your Receipt Goes HORRIBLY Wrong

[ruet]

[louis-t]

1. Why wouldn't she show her receipt and just go on her way?

I don't understand how she 'wins' in this situation. She gets tazed in front of her kids, she gets a few people really upset, she has to go to the hospital, then jail. For what? Because she has a 'right' to not show her I.D. or receipt? I get it, she was mad at being accused. So which is a better way to
handle it, fighting with a cop and creating a dangerous situation and getting arrested for no reason in front of an angry crowd or showing a receipt and proving the person who accused her wrong right on the spot? I would have shown my receipt then gone back in and given the accuser a piece of my mind.

[ruet]

3. She's Under No Obligation To Assist The State In Its Investigation.

...which they didn't do until after they tazed her in front of her kids. Also, she wasn't "accused" of anything by the store. They simply said she left with a bag and an employee didn't see her pay.

[louis-t]

5. Uh, she WAS accused of leaving without paying.

That's called being accused. If she "wasn't accused" why did they call police? And exactly how is the State going to conduct an investigation? Sure, they can go check the register to see if there has been a camera purchase. But does the cop have any power to hold the woman or does she just drive off? I've been in stores where they check your receipt as you are leaving. I don't like it but if their loss from theft goes down, they don't have as many excuses to raise prices. So, if you just have a problem with authority, you are going to be miserable every time someone asks you to show your I.D. or receipt. There was no reason for this woman to go through this even though the cop ended up handling it wrong and over-stepped his authority. What did she prove? He found the receipt anyway. What did she accomplish? Did she change anyone's attitude in the store about black people being targeted? Doubt it. They saw a black woman resisting and acting guilty. But she "stood up to the Man." She got a nice hole in her side, ruined her day, scared her kids, and it probably cost her some money. There is a time and a place to resist.This certainly wasn't it.

[The Jungle 1]

7. Skipping and humming down the hill to fascism

[happy feet]

8. Did you watch the entire video?

The officer got an "F". She had the right to not show her receipt. She was right on principle. As a black person sometimes the principle is more important than letting police bully you when you're just trying to go about your business. She says that the poice often harass black people in/out of the store for no reason. They could have watched the security video tape and confirmed that she went through one of the registers and paid. btw Publix ended up "settling" with her.

[MagaSmash]

15. Cop failed by not reviewing the Security Video.

[ruet]

9. No, She Wasn't.

Based on what you've written above, you didn't even watch the whole video.

[louis-t]

10. I watched the entire video.

Why do you insist I didn't watch the video?

[ruet]

11. ...

"why did they call police?"

They didn't.

"Officer Kevin Munger of the Jacksonville Sheriffs office was working as an off-duty security guard at a Publix grocery store"

"I've been in stores where they check your receipt as you are leaving"

"Anna Augusto Bonner informed officer Munger that she saw Miss crawl exit the store with her items in a bag but did not see her pay"

Nowhere in the video is there any mention of an employee of Publix asking Mrs. Crawl to show her receipt prior to exiting the store the 2nd time.

"She got a nice hole in her side, ruined her day, scared her kids, and it probably cost her some money."

Ms Crowell filed a $50,000 lawsuit against Publix in Duval County Florida. The case was dismissed with prejudice in December 2021 after the matter was quote "amicably settled between the said parties". The terms of the settlement agreement have not been made public

She got paid.

[louis-t]

13. Yeah, I missed that part about off-duty sheriff the first time.

"She got paid." Oh, well there's a great excuse for acting that way. And there's no way for you to know that she "got paid". She might have settled for an apology and a coupon book. It's not always advisable to confront someone until they leave the store. They can always say they were going to pay. Do you think she would have acted that way if confronted inside the store? My guess would be yes. Some people are just combative. My comment about employees checking receipts had nothing to do with this video. If this guy had dragged her out of the car at the beginning and arrested her, I would certainly have been outraged about that. But asking for a receipt? Then she escalated the situation to what we see in the video? Completely unnecessary. My advice to anyone who feels their race or national origin is being singled out for harsh treatment? Pick your battles wisely. As an Arabic man who has faced multiple incidents of discrimination and threats I can tell you, you win some, you lose some.

[LudwigPastorius]

2. Oink!

[The Jungle 1]

6. That cop is a fascist

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition.

Unless you have broken a law the police in America have NO authority over you.
You do not have to help them investigate yourself.
How can there be police on the streets who have no clue of their authority.
This fascism is why so many Americans hate the police

[louis-t]

12. She was innocent and could have proved it instantly.

So he should have ignored the complaint from the store because YOU think he should have? Your statement "Unless you have broken a law the police in America have NO authority over you" is naive. Lots of people are wrongly accused and even wrongly convicted. Our system isn't perfect. But lots of people ARE convicted legitimately. So, police should just let every person suspected of a crime go because they can't say for sure right on the spot if someone broke the law? It's called probable cause. Innocent until proven guilty does not mean you can't question someone or just ask for a receipt. Saying "you don't have to help the State do their investigation" is ignorant. Oh, and you don't have to explain fascism to me. Sounds like you are advocating anarchy. This woman could have ended this immediately. She chose to charge up the confrontation. The first part of the conversation is missing. We don't know how long it went on before this video starts. What we do know is the guard is trying to keep her calm and she is screaming at him. She says she doesn't steal. Oh, well then that's it, let her go. She checked out then went back into the store. Then she left. Seems to me that guard has every right to ask for her receipt if a cashier says they didn't see her pay. Other than the mistakes the guard made, you are blowing this way out of proportion and so was she.

[The Jungle 1]

14. We are innocent until proven guilty!

We do not have to prove we are innocent.
We do not have to help the police prove guilt!
Her only mistake was talking way to much. Do not talk to the police they are not trying to help you.

4th Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ...
This is 100% a 4th Amendment violation. He searched her car without any proof of a crime.
5th
The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees that an individual cannot be compelled by the government to provide incriminating information – the so-called “right to remain silent.”

You are supporting the fascism that our founding fathers rejected. Many Americans are tired of police overreach and are pushing back. The lady is to be commended. Corporate America does not get to use our police like their personal Storm Troopers. The constitution applies to ALL Americans, not just the rich and connected.

She offered to go back into the store and talk the cashier!!!!
All stores have video! It is up to the police to demonstrate reasonable articulate suspicion before detaining and identifying an American. The store and the police had nothing they were just mad because she would not show a receipt. They had not viewed the video and had no witness who saw her steal. I do NOT have to show a receipt. The receipt and the bag of goods are mine I paid for them and I will not submit to a search. EVER!
In membership stores you can be required to show a receipt. That is part of the agreement you sign up for. I will not join.

I support the Constitution of the United States of America. I denounce out of control police.

She got tazered for being a good American and standing up for her rights.