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Thu Dec 1, 2022, 12:21 PM

The Game Is Up: Disillusioned Trump Voters Tell Their Stories

(2022) | Full Movie | Documentary


Just started watching this. It seems like it might be good. Anyone else watched it yet?

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Reply The Game Is Up: Disillusioned Trump Voters Tell Their Stories (Original post)
TigressDem Dec 1 OP
Abolishinist Dec 1 #1
TigressDem Dec 1 #12
IjustDontlikeRepugs Dec 1 #2
Warpy Dec 1 #6
TigressDem Dec 1 #14
Warpy Dec 1 #16
TigressDem Dec 1 #17
TigressDem Dec 1 #13
Jimvanhise Dec 1 #3
TigressDem Dec 1 #8
mizogan Dec 1 #4
TigressDem Dec 1 #9
redstatebluegirl Dec 1 #5
TigressDem Dec 1 #10
OAITW r.2.0 Dec 1 #7
TigressDem Dec 1 #11
cilla4progress Dec 1 #15
markpkessinger Dec 1 #18
TigressDem Dec 2 #20
markpkessinger Dec 2 #27
TigressDem Dec 2 #28
TigressDem Dec 2 #21
betsuni Dec 2 #19
TigressDem Dec 2 #22
betsuni Dec 2 #23
TigressDem Dec 2 #24
betsuni Dec 2 #25
TigressDem Dec 2 #26

Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 12:54 PM

1. Thanks, I wasn't aware of this.

Checked out the first 6 minutes, looks interesting, sounds like Joe Walsh might have discovered some integrity. He talks about what we know, that to be on the radio and get noticed you have to be outlandish.

I might add, it must be tough running for office AND touring with the Eagles! (joking, just in case).

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Response to Abolishinist (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:20 PM

12. I like the Teen Republican

She got sucked in right away.

Rising star and drinking the koolaid against Hilary.


Steven Hassan
The Cult of Trump

Malignant Narcissism uses techniques that are addictive and the message is repeated until it's contagious.





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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 01:32 PM

2. I've watched half so far. Bookmarked for later.

I think it is very enlightening.

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Response to IjustDontlikeRepugs (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 04:32 PM

6. I heard the same crap while it was happening, especially from farmers

but most of them fell right into line and voted R in 2020. They'll do the same in 2024 because Biden couldn't fix what that asshole destroyed by executive fiat in just 4 years, like renegotiating the TPP and helping farmers redevelop the overseas markets they'd originally developed themselves and which TFG destroyed.

They might hate that sonofabitch but they still think he's their sonofabitch, something that extended to the House.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:36 PM

14. Some farmers are leaving @42:54 one says, "BOY was I wrong"

He thought that the structure of the government would prevent tRUMP from doing any real damage.


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Response to TigressDem (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:02 PM

16. That's how far I got, his rant

I suspect he voted for Biden but still believes the Rs do more for agriculture, on the whole.

BOY is he wrong!

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Response to Warpy (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 09:57 PM

17. Did you see the part where he explained what tRUMP's solution was SO not good?

He is actively campaigning against tRUMP and being trolled for it, but wants to be able to tell his Grandson that he didn't just sit back and watch or stay with the wrong people.

He stands FOR farmers and their interests. IF we could find some real solutions for them... it would help.

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Response to IjustDontlikeRepugs (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:23 PM

13. Hard to listen to tRump

Thank God there are people saying what needs to be said quickly enough that I can control my urge to puke.


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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 01:33 PM

3. JOE WALSH?

I couldn't get past the fact that Joe Walsh is the host of this. He has a lot of personal baggage including child support problems and the like, and even if that is in the past it was all very sleazy.

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Response to Jimvanhise (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 05:52 PM

8. Well, he at least called to concede the election to Tammy Duckworth.

My hope is he will reach the people who need it.

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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 03:34 PM

4. Broadcast this on Fox

This was put together well. The stories of those that repented are well done and really shows the honest reflections that they went through. I truly believe that a large percentage of the MAGATs would be able to relate and appreciate the strength of the convictions and eventually the struggle to admit their naiveté.

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Response to mizogan (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 05:57 PM

9. Right?

We can not afford four more years of Donald Trump 2020

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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 04:19 PM

5. I just finished this, it is very very interesting.

Yes, I know Joe Walsh, but I think there is an important message in this documentary. I found the part on evangelicalism and Trump the most interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:06 PM

10. You're welcome.

Demagogue for President - polarizes for their own gain.
The Rhetorical Genius of Donald Trump
Jennifer Mercieca

How do Demagogues spread their lies and polarize the people
1) Slogans
2) Rallies
3) Using Force
4) Silencing Opposition
5) Making his followers feel they were "special"
6) Objectifying those who don't agree
7) Control public fear and drive their direction

How he does what he does makes it hard to hold him accountable.

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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 05:21 PM

7. Wish I could rec 100 times...

Fascinating documentary of people who left the Trump Party.

Joe Walsh
A Young Republican
Midwest Farmers
A guy who hosted a pro-Trump website, but now hosts an anti-Trump website - the BOT factor.
Evangelicals who realize that Trump is indeed the anti-Christ.

Very well done....nothing that the DU community hasn't always known, but I think this is meant for those that really don't understand the implications of supporting the Party of Trump.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:10 PM

11. Thanks.

Preaching to the choir, but since he's formerly on the other side....

(Liked the part where Joe said) OMG did I sound like him?


Liberating to have real conversations.

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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:42 PM

15. This is great -

thanks!

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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 10:18 PM

18. I'm glad Joe Walsh saw the light regarding Trump, but . . .

. . . the fact of the matter is he's still a blithering idiot. His historical ignorance is appalling. I mean, to suggest that George III was anything resembling a "dictator," or even an authoritarian, is utter nonsense. By the time George III assumed the throne, the British monarchy was a fully constitutional monarchy, much as it is today. And Goerge III, as monarchs of that time went, was among the more enlightened ones.

The colonists' real beef was with parliament. George III was merely a convenient propaganda target!

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:24 AM

20. Interesting.

Historically speaking, George III was King AND head of the Church of England. His predecessors may have been detached regarding the Colonies, but George III was pissed. He sounds a little like a Dictator to me according to this article.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/adams-king-george-III/


While the reigns of George I and II had been marked by a royal detachment from the administration of American colonies, King George III asserted his claim on the colonies strenuously. The king saw the relationship of Britain and America as that of a parent to a child. A disobedient child, of course, must be punished.

In 1773, when the colonists of Massachusetts staged the Boston Tea Party in Boston Harbor, Parliament, with the king's approval, hit the colony with the Coercive Acts (called the Intolerable Acts in America), which closed Boston Harbor and stripped Massachusetts of its ancient charter. The colonies united in the Continental Congress to protest the Coercive Acts. Two years later, the congress declared independence. Early in 1776, King George consented to the hiring of thousands of Hessian mercenaries to assist the British troops already in America in crushing the rebellion. The Revolutionary War lasted nearly eight years, largely because King George refused to surrender the colonies. When the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783, he considered abdicating.

Demanded Loyalty
In many ways, George ruled England as he did the colonies, with punishment meted out for perceived disloyalty. In 1760 he ascended to the throne at age 22, and the first 10 years of his reign were characterized by political instability. Prime ministers came and went quickly, often because they refused to capitulate to George on policy, but also because of increasing factionalism within Parliament. As a result, colonial policies were inconsistent; for example, the Stamp Act was repealed after only one year, but was followed by other taxes. The same was true with the Townshend Revenue Acts in 1767 and the Tea Act in 1773, which triggered the Tea Party.

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Response to TigressDem (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:31 PM

27. Here's another point of view on George III, from The Smithsonian . . .

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:18 PM

28. Well, if he was Manic/Depressive, both views are likely true.

While in possession of their faculties, most Manic/Depressives are some of the most rational and competent people one would have a chance to know.

(I believe Teddy Roosevelt was also thought to be mildly Manic/Depressive due to his excessive energy.)
https://ibpf.org/theodore-the-roosevelt-bipolar-inheritance-2/

But pushed to the limits of an unprecedented situation, anyone might lose it and being King and Head of the Church of England and taking his job quite seriously in an age when children were seen and not heard etc....

Even if he was stubbornly wanting to keep the Colonies and only did not FIGHT bringing in Hessians to the fight, he still chose and allowed war rather than diplomatic solutions.


And King George's part in "ending slavery" was to compensate slave owners for their loss. Possibly still a good thing if it got the job finalized, but not anything that benefited slaves financially.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/11/lets-end-delusion-britain-abolished-slavery

The slave trade was actually abolished in 1807.
The 1833 Slavery Abolition Act abolished, as the name suggests, slavery itself.
A Treasury so loose with its facts might explain something about the state of the British economy. Worse, however, was the claim that British taxpayers helped “buy freedom for slaves”. The government certainly shelled out £20m (about £16bn today) in 1833.
Not to free slaves but to line the pockets of 46,000 British slave owners as “recompense” for losing their “property”. Having grown rich on the profits of an obscene trade, slave owners grew richer still from its ending. That, scandalously, was what the taxpayer was paying for until 2015.



BUT I am glad at least that once all was said and done, the way was eventually paved for US to be on friendly terms with our former Monarchy.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:41 AM

21. The main difference is that a King is like SCOTUS and serve a life sentence

It was a contrast very top of mind for George Washington


https://www.cato.org/commentary/man-who-would-not-be-king#

Washington made the ideas of the American founding real. He incarnated liberal and republican ideas in his own person, and he gave them effect through the Revolution, the Constitution, his successful presidency, and his departure from office.

What’s so great about leaving office? Surely it matters more what a president does in office. But think about other great military commanders and revolutionary leaders before and after Washington—Caesar, Cromwell, Napoleon, Lenin. They all seized the power they had won and held it until death or military defeat.

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Response to TigressDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:04 AM

19. Thank you for posting. Populists of any kind are bad.

All that nonsense about the TPP being a diabolical Obama conspiracy to screw over Americans, and that Republicans voted for Trump because of 90s trade deals. Ridiculous.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:46 AM

22. Yeah, not 100% sure Walsh is "trustworthy" yet, but....

It's still good to see him purging the most "CRAZY" as in "detached from reality" positions of his party.

He likes to be heard and at least he's putting down the worst of it.


He's out there encouraging people to find a DEM they like instead of someone like tRUMP.

I'll take it.

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Response to TigressDem (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:12 AM

23. It's not about Walsh. Populists of any kind are bad. Common sense.

Anyone who said Democrats are corrupt and evil, that Democrats ignore the working class and are responsible for the decrease in manufacturing jobs because of '90s trade deals is an idiot. Manufacturing jobs and union membership peaked in the sixties and decreased after that.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:24 AM

24. But isn't "populism" more of a knee jerk response to systemic issues?

I understand that the blanket statements do nothing to solve the problem, ergo it's essentially ineffective whether they are true or false.

And giving people a scape goat to blame for their problems so they look that way while their pockets are being picked by the one casting shade only benefits the pick pockets.

So when anyone turns away from that and blows the whistle on it, the main advantage is it actually confirms that this type of blame game is just a sham.

Still, hard to trust a former pick pocket.

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Response to TigressDem (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:37 AM

25. Like populists promising to eliminate all student debt, provide free health care, etc., but the big

bad "establishment" scapegoats are to blame for preventing the saviors from providing these nice things because they're corrupt and rig everything.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:52 AM

26. So are you against the ACA and Student Debt relief?

I mean those aren't "eliminating ALL student debt" or providing "free" health care, just affordable; but they are trying to address those issues and are getting a lot of resistance from Republicans.

Democracy is supposed to listen to the Will of the People, so defacto any solutions that are imagined will be somewhat "popular" because they reflect what most people want/need.

I guess what I view as Populism is promising a magic pill, versus creating a balanced tax structure that allows US to provide affordable health care and higher education.

And ALSO "promising to help farmers" then putting policies in place that hurt them instead. Bait and switch. Of USING those memes and then not doing anything about the problems.

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