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Maher on Being Late on Progress, praises Liberals (Original Post) ancianita Mar 2023 OP
K&R & thanks! tblue37 Mar 2023 #1
BS Casady1 Mar 2023 #2
Maher is right. ancianita Mar 2023 #3
I was alive also Casady1 Mar 2023 #4
Cool. ancianita Mar 2023 #5
Garland is so late pirsquared Mar 2023 #6
 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
2. BS
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 09:16 AM
Mar 2023

Kennedy was not late on civil rights. He was a pioneer and was the first president to recognize African Americans from the oval office.

ancianita

(36,130 posts)
3. Maher is right.
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 09:55 AM
Mar 2023

I lived during those years and yes, Kennedy was late in doing anything for African Americans.
The peak of the Civil Rights Era was June-September, 1963, and still JFK gave African Americans nothing but lip service.

It wasn't until after he was assassinated that LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act in July 1964.

Late progress, but progress.

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
4. I was alive also
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 10:01 AM
Mar 2023

and take the times into context. He moved faster than anyone before him. Federalizing the national guard to integrate University of Alabama was not lip service.

On the day that Governor Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door, President Kennedy made a televised address to the nation trying to unite the country around the need for civil rights legislation.

President Kennedy defined civil rights as not just a constitutional issue, but also a “moral issue.” He also proposed the Civil Rights Act of 1963, which would provide protection of every American’s right to vote under the United States Constitution, end segregation in public facilities, and require public schools to be integrated.

In order to try and ensure his bill’s passage, President Kennedy met with prominent Civil Rights leaders to discuss the content of the bill. He also met with businessmen, religious leaders, and others to build the bipartisan support the bill would need to pass.

The bill struggled to move through Congress. Civil Rights leaders were worried that the bill had stalled and organized The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom that August. Despite their best efforts, by November of 1963, the bill was stalled in debate.

ancianita

(36,130 posts)
5. Cool.
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 10:15 AM
Mar 2023

Yes, he did a few things but nothing through rule of law. He did what Truman did before him, federalized the Nat'l Guard before he could integrate it; his brother in the DOJ handled the crap in the South. Yes, JFK met with leaders, gave a speech that outlined ideas that later became the act LBJ signed. That's it.

Maher is still right. As a gradualist JFK was still late. Late is late for whatever justifications you give. He and other liberal leaders have been late.

 

pirsquared

(77 posts)
6. Garland is so late
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 12:24 PM
Mar 2023

Now the issue of our time is whether Garland will be Progress on accountability and real 'rule of law'. The evidence indicates that he is acutely and chronically late, with little grasp of when 'the 'time is now'.

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