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The actual "bombshell" here is that someone with first hand knowledge has finally admitted that what we've known for 35 years is all true.
Deuxcents
(27,244 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,780 posts)It was well known at the time.
No one cared except a few of us.
Deuxcents
(27,244 posts)A few did but maybe didnt have the support from their editors/bosses.
Irish_Dem
(81,780 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(32,331 posts)That's why I've always been a Democrat. Democrats have never sold out this country to gain political office, AFAIK.
RockRaven
(19,537 posts)Sounds like a good reason not to be one.
Deuxcents
(27,244 posts)Those younger than us that werent here for those 8 miserable years will learn about this. Pretty sure theyve not heard of it in their history classes
William Gustafson
(553 posts)They won't teach anything negative against Saint Ronnie... Hell, they won't even teach true history.
JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,134 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)JT45242
(4,061 posts)We knew in 1987;that Baker and other members of the inner circle met with Iranian officials and gave them literally millions of dollars to hold onto the hostages.
Democratic congressional leaders made the miscalculation to not impeach him for treason because he was a lame duck.
That this asshat is finally fessing up to his part in the scheme is news, but the deal with the Iranian leaders is 35 years old news.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)(pretty sure it's only treason *after* someone has been found guilty?)
I still loathe him, though. President Carter and America deserved far better.
LetMyPeopleVote
(180,616 posts)Iran and the Reagan campaign conspired to cheat win the 1980 election. The hostages held by Iran was a major issue in that election and the failed attempt by President Carter to negotiate a release or rescue of these hostages was a major deal. Reagan promised the Iranian clergy to not make a deal with President Carter and that Reagan would give the Iranians a better deal. This is the same treasonous act that Nixon did in the 1968 with the Vietcong
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html?unlocked_article_code=nVdsauiZTNp0fERHxsRn1JxxzIvw8LUvmmRHo2xwblDcu9TMpfdBOo1GncZsyN-8SwbCHlH6VdclbLcHL9eN4_6jynS7RRs-shtOrQu2TzIUe4Zt6GsuCYzwAh1sWWpFRLeE5JvCfdWIhi0Doph22mrZvRMaxQkGbVkFBE9oIz1DnR5ltnmjMpmW8v64YsJK9sSWBWtpG1wigJ3PtfHzxwLNheRnt5vXoB-z7kxwnY8-DuwSN0I5H7IiVVeC-8Oa_Sf-t92Ea6K_gjo0GkJjnLM15Vc4k_DvCGbCPbs7UlVki8VdppOlIFjOEKJEE-LxNpJL2bDXwHEfVESdr_xkmUZImRzAaeS_5ng_zts4f9RQAdf4nfLWJMs&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
It was 1980 and Jimmy Carter was in the White House, bedeviled by a hostage crisis in Iran that had paralyzed his presidency and hampered his effort to win a second term. Mr. Carters best chance for victory was to free the 52 Americans held captive before Election Day. That was something that Mr. Barnes said his mentor was determined to prevent.
His mentor was John B. Connally Jr., a titan of American politics and former Texas governor who had served three presidents and just lost his own bid for the White House. A former Democrat, Mr. Connally had sought the Republican nomination in 1980 only to be swamped by former Gov. Ronald Reagan of California. Now Mr. Connally resolved to help Mr. Reagan beat Mr. Carter and in the process, Mr. Barnes said, make his own case for becoming secretary of state or defense in a new administration.
What happened next Mr. Barnes has largely kept secret for nearly 43 years. Mr. Connally, he said, took him to one Middle Eastern capital after another that summer, meeting with a host of regional leaders to deliver a blunt message to be passed to Iran: Dont release the hostages before the election. Mr. Reagan will win and give you a better deal.....
News of Mr. Barness account came as validation to some of Mr. Carters remaining advisers. Gerald Rafshoon, who was his White House communications director, said any interference may have changed history. If we had gotten the hostages home, wed have won, I really believe that, he said. Its pretty damn outrageous.