Rep. Clyburn: We are at the limit in large measure because of what happened under Trump - Morning Joe

[Rhiannon12866]

Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-SC, joins Morning Joe to discuss the fight over the debt limit. - Aired on 05/31/2023.

[Uncle Joe]

1. This is the third time in the past 25 years a Republican Congress has ignored the 14th Amendment and

extorted the nation.

Does anyone believe it will stop now?

Thanks for the thread Rhiannon

[Rhiannon12866]

2. Thanks, Uncle Joe! And is this what you mean?? *sigh*

Link to tweet

[Uncle Joe]

3. Yes, I'm convinced the Republicans are trying to erode at best if not eliminate the 14 Amendment

Here is their mighty "leader's" position on another section of the 14th Amendment

Trump Pledges to End Birthright Citizenship

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17957042

and here is my post on that thread

Amendment XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

(snip)

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

(snip)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

They just don't like it because it requires too much accountability from the Congress, so the debt limit (which is not in the Constitution is an easy out.

[Rhiannon12866]

4. Wow! Thanks so much, Uncle Joe! I don't know how I missed this!

And I agree, scary stuff!

[MichMan]

5. Congress passed all those budgets too

[Rhiannon12866]

6. Yes, they did - but we know why the Republicans are objecting now, anything to spite the Democrats

Link to tweet

[MichMan]

7. The president can only spend what the congress approves

Both share equally in the credit or blame for the budget.

[Rhiannon12866]

8. However, now that Biden is president, the Republicans are proposing cuts

[MichMan]

9. Yes, and the House & Senate has to agree and pass it before it reaches the president.

It is simplistic to believe that the president is solely responsible for the budget and congress is an innocent bystander.

[Rhiannon12866]

10. I certainly never believed that, this is the reason we have Congress and a Budget Committee

Chaired by Senator Sanders.

[MagaSmash]

11. Please stop saying "Our good friends on the other side of the aisle". They are nobody's friends.