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Rhiannon12866

(256,404 posts)
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 09:00 PM Jul 2023

House GOP members push conspiracy theory that FBI instigated Jan. 6 despite lack of evidence - Velshi



National security contributor and disinformation expert Clint Watts and Nina Jankowicz, Vice President of Centre for Information Resilience, join Ali Velshi to discuss the role House Republicans have played in peddling conspiracy theories to the American public and the harm those conspiracies continue to cause, and how to actively fight them, even after they have been debunked. - Aired on 07/15/2023.


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House GOP members push conspiracy theory that FBI instigated Jan. 6 despite lack of evidence - Velshi (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 OP
They want to rewrite history and alter reality. CentralMass Jul 2023 #1
Good assessment, they're desperate to find some way to absolve their disgraced "candidate" Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #2
Reaiity means nothing GP6971 Jul 2023 #3
The problem is that many of their constituents believe them, and will vote accordingly Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #4
True. GP6971 Jul 2023 #8
re we sure it isn't just that they can't spell "investigated"? soldierant Jul 2023 #5
This obviously speaks to their desperation, but far too many will believe them Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #7
Ah, well. soldierant Jul 2023 #14
Those who can do. Those who can't lie BOSSHOG Jul 2023 #6
My question has always been, do these MAGA supporters really want to live under an autocracy? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #9
I truly believe BOSSHOG Jul 2023 #10
If that's the case, they really need to start emphasizing teaching Civics in school Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #11
Thanks! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #12
Scary indeed BOSSHOG Jul 2023 #13

Rhiannon12866

(256,404 posts)
2. Good assessment, they're desperate to find some way to absolve their disgraced "candidate"
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 09:11 PM
Jul 2023

Good luck with that! However, I have often wondered how history will remember this bizarre and unprecedented period in this country. How will they teach history in the future?? Or will they dispense with teaching it altogether?

When I was in school, I remember learning about the Civil Rights Movement and our senators in 9th grade, 10th grade was World History and 11th grade was American History.

soldierant

(9,360 posts)
5. re we sure it isn't just that they can't spell "investigated"?
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 09:22 PM
Jul 2023

JK - I do know how crazy they are - but it woud be fun to come back with "you left out the ve." Or some variant of "FIFY." Maybe I"ll give it a go.

Rhiannon12866

(256,404 posts)
7. This obviously speaks to their desperation, but far too many will believe them
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 09:25 PM
Jul 2023

Too many aren't paying the slightest attention and will believe whatever they hear.

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
6. Those who can do. Those who can't lie
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 09:25 PM
Jul 2023

Those who can love America and freedom and democracy do. Those who hate freedom and democracy work for right wing media or appear on said media on a regular basis.

I’m not a doctor but I play one on DU. Conservatism in America today is a mental illness. Hell bent on destroying whomever and whatever for no plausible reason. Their oath. First, do as much harm as possible.

Rhiannon12866

(256,404 posts)
9. My question has always been, do these MAGA supporters really want to live under an autocracy?
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 09:32 PM
Jul 2023

Would they be happy giving up all their rights - freedom to vote, freedom of speech?? Did those January 6th insurrectionists really want to overthrow the democracy we have and live under a Putin-like authoritarian government?? Or are they just hopelessly deluded? What did they think would actually happen?

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
10. I truly believe
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 09:54 PM
Jul 2023

They don’t know what a democracy is. They don’t know what an autocracy is. They don’t understand why elections have to be fair. They don’t know much and view right wing sights and news shows as some kind of 24/7 political porn. It makes them feel good. It makes them feel wanted and needed. And when their would be lover kicks them to the curb they know without a doubt it was someone else’s fault. How’d ya like to be in that brain?

Rhiannon12866

(256,404 posts)
11. If that's the case, they really need to start emphasizing teaching Civics in school
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 10:01 PM
Jul 2023

I guess I was lucky, here in New York we started early. As I said above, I remember learning about the Civil Rights Movement in 9th grade - and who our senators were. 10th grade was World History, there was no doubt that the nazis were horrible, not that we didn't already know that. And 11th grade was American History - we girls did skits and I portrayed James Garfield and John Hancock. Don't they still teach that history today??

Rhiannon12866

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12. Thanks!
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 10:12 PM
Jul 2023

I admit that I was shocked when we learned that the KKK was still active in Tennessee. There was a new boy in my class in 10th grade who came from SC - and the rumor was that his mother had been "secretary" to some high poobah in the KKK. And this guy was truly a bigot, and a misogynist, too. I was on a team with him and was better than he was so he did not like me at all. He was definitely an anomaly around here.

And thanks for the explanation, I understand the "freedom of speech" thing, but there has to be a way to prevent these right wing sites from spreading misinformation and inciting the violent and deluded. These are scary times and this is the reason.

BOSSHOG

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13. Scary indeed
Sat Jul 15, 2023, 10:19 PM
Jul 2023

Because they have no conscience.

I’m sad to post this but my Grandpa was in the KKK in Indiana back in the 1920s. Barely remember him but I have pictures of him holding me. Not an excuse but it was not unusual for any white guy to be in the KKK in the 1920s in Indiana. Obviously he didn’t rub off on me. He’d disown me today and I’d be thankful.

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