Why No Insurrection Charge? Ralph Nader on How Trump Could Still Be Reelected Unless DOJ Acts

[Uncle Joe]

Ralph Nader, the longtime consumer advocate, corporate critic and former presidential candidate, discusses "serial law violator" Donald Trump's criminal indictments, particularly the second federal case brought by special prosecutor Jack Smith that accuses Trump of conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and of inciting the January 6 attack on Capitol Hill. Nader says there is a glaring omission in the charges, and says Trump should be additionally charged under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which could bar him from again running for political office due to having "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States.

[Walleye]

1. Ralph Nader is dead to me since 2000

[jrthin]

2. I still cringe with anger when I hear his name. Another person i wish would

just go away and stay gone.

[Uncle Joe]

4. I believe Al Gore had (has) the capability to be one of our greatest Presidents.

Today I feel with democracy literally on the line, I can't afford the luxury of being embittered over past political battles.

We need all voices in support of democracy and freedom.

One final point, I believe Nader makes a valid point in regards to *rump still being able to run for national office again even if he were found guilty of the current federal charges.

I don't believe *rump would win but I agree with Ralph that groups such as the National Bar Association, etc. etc. need to be speaking out big time in defense of the Constitution virtually every day to offset *rump's high political visibility by the corporate media.

[Walleye]

5. Nader make some good points of course, and you are right it is not advantageous to carry a grudge

[Uncle Joe]

6. ...

[wnylib]

9. Same here. I don't give a damn what he says about anything.

[Jarqui]

3. Things happen for a reason

I'm sure it was debated.

Maybe, during the processing of these indictments, they'll get more people to flip.
The RICO case in GA is designed for that - minimum 5 year sentence for all 19 charged - with earliest pardon at 20 months.

If they lost an insurrection case, that could be problematic - embolden his supporters.
If they charge insurrection, it might start some violence.
From the discussions I followed, there was room for some debate on whether they could convict him for insurrection.

These indictments look very strong. They didn't pile on charges in the first three.
With RICO, Fani Willis can afford to cast a broad net - different situation. Her 10 minute press conference was a little extraordinary. I think she's scarier than Jack Smith. She's not fooling around. That RICO count could start a dominoes effect of flipping people.

Then they might reconsider insurrection.

[musclecar6]

11. Yeah

With any luck at all, it might be a stampede into Fani’s office before 25 August.

[Oopsie Daisy]

7. Fuck Ralph Nader. Why does anyone with an ounce of self-respect care what he has to say?

[Uncle Joe]

8. I refer you to post#4 as to how I feel.

[Oopsie Daisy]

14. No thanks.

He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew the consequences. He didn't care then. Why the fuck should anyone listen to what he has to say now? Besides, he's not the only one saying these things. The fact that these syllables fall from his lips from his keyboard only diminishes them for being associated with someone as treacherous as he. Fuck. Ralph. Nader.

[Uncle Joe]

18. Nader is a tree, the corporate media was and still is to a lesser degree, the forest.

If Nader never cared, some if not many of the people criticizing him today wouldn't be alive.

"Unsafe at any speed"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed:_The_Designed-In_Dangers_of_the_American_Automobile#:~:text=Unsafe%20at%20Any%20Speed%20is,industry%20disregarding%20technically%20based%20criticism.

I notice that you never mentioned the corporate media's blatantly biased role in trashing, slandering and libeling Al Gore for the better part of two years prior to November of 2000.

"Al Gore invented the Internet" "he wears earth tones" and who would you rather have a beer with?

They trashed Al's credibility precisely because he was the preeminent political champion in opening the Internet to the people, democratizing information and thereby threatening their commercial gravy train and corporate, oligarch owners.

Exxon and the oil industry knew at least as far back as the 1980s that the burning of fossil fuels was heating up the planet, do you honestly believe the corporate media didn't know?

Yet they treated it at best as unsettled science, they also knew Bush the Least was an oil man.

To my way of thinking, had the corporate media showed much greater journalistic integrity, they couldn't or didn't because they had/have major financial conflicts of interest which they still never disclose, Al Gore would've won in a landslide no matter who ran against him.

Today, with that kind journalistic malfeasance, do you believe the corporate media shouldn't issue any syllables in support of democracy or condemnation of *rump?

[Oopsie Daisy]

19. Nader is the topic, not "corporate media" or climate change ... why protect Nader?

Nobody cast a spoiler vote for "Corporate Media," did they? No. They didn't.

[Uncle Joe]

27. The corporate media shaped the race more than other institution, why protect them?

They have infinitely greater power and exposure than Nader, then, now and in the future.

[Oopsie Daisy]

28. Without Nader to steal votes, it wouldn't matter.

>> They have infinitely greater power and exposure than Nader, then, now and in the future.
But no name on the ballot to be a spoiler. Stop defending him. Stop making excuses for him.

[Uncle Joe]

29. Stop talking about defending democracy and in the same breath claim someone that legally runs

is "stealing votes."

[Oopsie Daisy]

31. You know perfectly well that Nader's "legal" candidacy benefited only ONE person: Bush.

He had ZERO chance of becoming President. He knew it. You know it. He was a spoiler. It was intentional. It was meant to harm the Democratic party and the Democratic candidate.

With regard to the other thing you accuse me of doing... that makes absolutely no sense. What TF are you talking about?

[Uncle Joe]

32. This thread is about the threat against our democracy

Nader is just giving his warning about a prosecutorial opening allowing *rump to run for President even if he's convicted of the federal crimes.

He's also giving his advice on how to counter it from a public relations standpoint, ie; heavy messaging by the American Bar Association for one.

If you want to keep making this thread about 2000, that only helps the Republicans, certainly not democracy.

[Oopsie Daisy]

33. No. Nader is to Democracy, what RFK-Jr is to Vaccines.

>>Nader is just giving his warning
Oh, please. It's not as if he's the ONLY LIVING PERSON who's saying such things. However he's such a toxic crackpot that when those words flow from HIS lips or HIS keyboard, then it becomes easier to dismiss.

He needs to STFU and GTFA. This thread "celebrates" Nader. Others here (ahem) are actively trying to make excuses for him. In the end, he's trying to undermine and shit on all the hard work that these experienced prosecutors have done.

>> If you want to keep making this thread about 2000
Nope. Nobody is doing that except you. My posts are not "about 2000"... they are about what a treacherous, despicable, toxic and untrustworthy character Nader is. I'm reminding you what kind of person he is and how poor his judgement is. He exists to intentionally harm the Democratic party and Democratic candidates. Whether you want to address this or admit it, you know full well that it's true.

Even if the message has value, he DIMINISHES IT. He brings an element of UN-trustworthiness to it. He makes it suspicious.

It's all about injecting himself into a situation where he does not belong. He's an attention****e. He's trying to remain relevant at any cost, even if it means fucking things up for everyone YET AGAIN. He simply cannot be trusted.

[Uncle Joe]

34. Your first and second posts #7 and #14 spell out that you're still fighting 2000 and

that's all it is.

Divide and conquer is the Republican way.

No one said Nader was the "ONLY LIVING PERSON" saying such things, that's just your hyperbole speaking.

Furthermore if RFK-Jr or anyone, anywhere on the political spectrum were to speak out against the threat to our democracy by *rump, I would welcome it, even his family.

You may believe that only certain people should be allowed to speak up or be heard in defense of our democracy, such as it is, but I don't.

The more voices the better.

I forgot to welcome you to D.U.

Welcome to D.U. Oopsie Daisy

[Oopsie Daisy]

35. He's a divisive character. He needs to keep his FN mouth shut and retire into obscurity.

[Uncle Joe]

30. P.S. My mistake, you never talked about defending democracy on this thread. n/t

[thesquanderer]

37. More Florida registered Dems voted for Bush than voted for Nader,

and you certainly can't assume that a Nader vote would otherwise have gone to Gore, or that those people would have voted at all rather than just staying home.

While having Nader on the ballot certainly didn't help, I'm not sure his absence would have produced a different result.

[SWBTATTReg]

10. Are we sure that Jack Smith of the DOJ filed all charges against tRUMP and his fellow conspirators?

Perhaps more charges are forthcoming?

[Uncle Joe]

12. Nader did allude to that,

it's a possibility.

I think that's why Nader was speaking about the National Bar Association being very vocal on the subject.

[lapucelle]

13. Ralph Nader needs to take responsibility, apologize, and then crawl back into his hole.

He doesn't have the requisite judgement to be taken seriously.

SEATTLE – Green Party candidate Ralph Nader urged supporters Thursday to resist the argument that a vote for him is a vote for Republican George W. Bush.

“They’re going around the country trying to salvage Al Gore’s campaign,” Nader told a crowd of about 1,000 at a midday rally. “Don’t go for the lesser of two evils, because at the end of the day, you end up with evil.”

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/dont-go-for-lesser-of-two-evils/

[Oopsie Daisy]

15. He's just as despicable and contemptible as Jill Stein, Nina Turner, Andrew Yang, et al*

* plus that dark, eveil, ugly-souled woman, Sarandon, too.

[lapucelle]

16. The ego-driven hubris of Ralph Nader brought us the Iraq War,

the Roberts Court, the Alito appointment, and the Citizens United decision.

All because he managed to convince enough rubes that the Democratic nominee (who went on to win the Nobel Peace Prize for his environmental activism) was somehow "evil".

[republianmushroom]

17. Good question, "Why No Insurrection Charge?"

Still coddling ?
30 months and counting

[Oopsie Daisy]

20. Better to go for the easily-proven and "low-hanging-fruit" that juries can understand.

The prosecutors are handling this properly and smartly. Nobody is being coddled.

[republianmushroom]

21. More than 80 charges, most felonies and no mug shot and he is not being coddled. B.S.

[Oopsie Daisy]

22. Well, keep being angry. Enjoy!

[republianmushroom]

24. No insurrection charges, no going after those in D.C. who helped with the insurrection.

Which would mean many in the republican party and we can't have that.

Continue coddling and being passive. I prefer being assertive aggressive.
But to each is own.

[Oopsie Daisy]

25. I'm fine with his priorities and approach. If your approach was a wise one or a viable one then--

I'm sure they'd all be doing exactly as you want them to. I trust their focused, level-headed, logical, and unemotional approach. They only have one chance to get it right. Trust the process.

Or be mad. Whatever floats your boat. It won't change anything.

[republianmushroom]

26. To each his own

And don't bitch "if" trump become President.
And I'm sure you won't.

[zanana1]

38. Trump riled up the crowd, but...

He didn't say "Let's march to the capitol and invade it". I'm no lawyer but I think he would have had to say that to be charged with insurrection.

[MagaSmash]

23. What is CRITICAL is to keep the Orange Degenerate OUT of the White House. PERIOD.

whether or not you like Nader.

[Rhiannon12866]

36. Same here, any ship in a storm!