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patrice

(47,992 posts)
7. I swear, he's created a new sport!!
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jan 2013

It's all pretty tense-making to watch and I can't really tell how things are going to work out, but I've watched closely, from here, from the start, so I have seen all of the different perspectives, most of which are more or less mistaken, but it's been a beautiful thing that he's doing.

My second husband was a corporate attorney, a Libertarian, loved the law, so I kind of have a taste for this kind of stuff.

Have you ever seen that HBO series called Damages, has Glenn Close in it as a high-octane, cold as ice, female attorney? That's a really good series and I DON'T say that sort of thing about tv easily. Anyway, Damages gives you some of the idea of what's going on, though it's been dramatized with danger and villans for tv.

sheshe2

(83,639 posts)
8. I too, have watched from the start...from the day he threw his hat into the ring!
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:35 AM
Jan 2013

I am for him heart and soul! He Believes. He believes in the America I want to see.The America I believe in.

I know you are to the left of him. However center or left he will make us proud. I know in my heart how it will go down. We are going to be making some awesome history in the next four years.At the same time we are openning the door to a new Democrtic President in 2016.The stage is being set! Wait and see!

The HBO series...I just started watching on Netflix streaming. Then I joined DU...TV has been off my radar lately.

Anyway to us. To History!
Peace...
She

PS: can I have a piece of pie?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
9. See? That's what I have been trying to explain to people around here: An authentic CENTRIST
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:31 AM
Jan 2013

cannot write-off an authentic Left (which I differentiate from what calls itself "the Left" though I remain hopeful that it does become more authentically Left/Liberal/Progressive - whatever gets the right things done).

A centrist isn't a centrist unless s/he INTEGRATES as much authenticity as possible throughout the spectrum; if a "centrist" doesn't do that, they're not identifying the center. I think of it all in terms of processes that relate people and concrete things about how people live.

The first rule for "being at the table" is that you can't act as though you're the only one there, no matter where you come from in the political spectrum, we must remember that people have a right to be honestly whoever they are, just as much as one's own.

This is about the main reason I am a skeptic about what calls itself "the Left" here at DU; it doesn't act like the success of the Left is it's primary goal BECAUSE it IS acting like it (whatever it really is) has somekind of special right to "the table". I understand base-building, but if that's what they are authentically engaged in, rather than success on Left issues, they should say so up front, so their rhetoric does not delude people who have a right to make their own authentic decisions about their roles in what is happening.

Maybe one difference between what calls itself "the Left" and me is that I really do believe that ALL of us can do this thing. Zero-sum strategies (like the Tea Party uses for example) and false dichotomies for everything may be tactics, but they certainly are not the sum-total of functionalities in this situation. "Third Way", whatever the DLC & the Clintons made their version of it, is not necessarily neo-liberalism, nor is it necessarily what those who call themselves "the Left" say it is and, ironically, I really don't think that an authentic Left would be operating on the kinds of assumptions about a third way that we see around here.

Though BO is authentically a centrist, I think his processes are quite dialectical, thesis <--> anti-thesis = synthesis, which can produce a wide variety of things depending upon the actions, WITHIN the process, of the 2 elements (whatever they are) indicated in this shorthand by thesis:anti-thesis. And this is essentially why what calls itself "the Left" NEEDS to get into the game, because it's going to go on with or without them and they have a role to play, which, if they respect the process and the basic rule for "being at the table" (you don't own the table, you can't act like the only one there), I really do think that BO will include them in the process ALONG WITH THE OTHER AUTHENTIC FACTORS.

I'm very excited. We CAN do this! And it really does amount to a type of revolution if people engage the process with honesty and strength.

Happy New Year, sheshe2!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
10. Oh! I got carried away there, trying to explain that again! YES!! I really do think we can all have
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 01:33 AM
Jan 2013
a piece of pie!

sheshe2

(83,639 posts)
11. I can never speak as eloquently as you do.You have a depth of knowledge that I do not...
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 02:24 AM
Jan 2013

or at the very least, I can not put it in as many words as you do.

However I have a firm belief that this President is going to help chart a course to our future. A better and more peaceful one.I have his back. I always will. No matter what the naysayers talk about. I believe.

As one we will stand up. If we divide, we will fall!

Thanks Patrice!

Peace,
Happy New Year!
She

We will have our pie...all of us!

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