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Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:21 PM

Please stop the misogynistic blame game campaign against Stevie Nicks

Lindsey Buckingham was fired from Fleetwood Mac. Since the news broke people have been blaming Stevie Nicks for his dismissal even referencing the #metoo movement as her motivation. While the band has issued a terse statement neither Buckingam nor Nicks have commented. Is this just the good old misogyny machine at work? Is Lindsey Buckingham, formerly of Fleetwood Mac: Rock’s biggest jerk or misunderstood genius as the Washington Post asked in this article? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/lindsey-buckingham-formerly-of-fleetwood-mac-rocks-biggest-jerk-or-misunderstood-genius/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d67953b637e9

Please let us know if you feel that Stevie is being given a bad rap, if Lindsey is in fact a jerk or if you are just #teamStevie. Please note this is a petition in support of Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie who is now also being criticized for Buckigham's dismissal and to highlight and disarm misogyny in the rock and roll culture.

https://www.change.org/p/emily-dickinson-please-stop-the-misogynistic-blame-game-campaign-against-stevie-nicks?recruiter=8029555&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_term=triggered

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Reply Please stop the misogynistic blame game campaign against Stevie Nicks (Original post)
gldstwmn Apr 2018 OP
BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #1
mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #3
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #29
mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #2
LenaBaby61 Apr 2018 #5
Upthevibe Apr 2018 #7
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #27
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #28
jberryhill Apr 2018 #4
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #26
Neema Apr 2018 #6
AmandaRuth Apr 2018 #8
Neema Apr 2018 #10
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #25
Neema Apr 2018 #34
left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #9
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #24
hlthe2b Apr 2018 #11
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #23
ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #12
NNadir Apr 2018 #13
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #22
NNadir Apr 2018 #33
RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #14
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #18
Iggo Apr 2018 #15
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #20
Iggo Apr 2018 #36
jalan48 Apr 2018 #16
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #21
jalan48 Apr 2018 #35
Skittles Apr 2018 #17
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #19
Skittles Apr 2018 #32
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #38
DBoon Apr 2018 #30
spooky3 Apr 2018 #31
gldstwmn Apr 2018 #37
spooky3 Apr 2018 #39
Yavin4 Apr 2018 #40

Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:26 PM

1. Who cares?

Their breakup resulted in the best song they ever did. And don't bombard me with alternatives. I'm not a big Mac fan, but Dreams is an awesome pop tune.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:29 PM

3. And that coin's flipside, Lindsey's "Go Your Own Way" is certainly no slouch ... (nt)

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:15 PM

29. Go Your Own Way? Oops sorry!

Couldn't help myself.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:28 PM

2. All I'm going to say is ... Fleetwood Mac is dead to me w/o Lindsey Buckingham ...

Don't get me wrong, I'll still love all the old music, and I think Christine in particular is awesome ... but I'd not go see the Mac w/o Lindsey. He's 'the show' to me.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:46 PM

5. They've been fighting (Artistic differences), inter-band dating, etc. since I was ....

14 (Well, since I was old enough to understand all that type of "Love/emotional Stuff" that went on in Fleetwood Mac :chuckle and I'll soon be 57. Now, I know that they stopped inter-band dating years ago, but the fighting (Musical differences), and disagreements continued because they're all human. I'm not team ANYBODY. LOVE their music--it's still a big part of my life/memories. I wish them all well and hope that they can work out their differences. But, if they can't and it's not meant to be in this 21st century ..... I'll accept a Lindsay Buckhamg less Fleetwood Mac, because I know that ALL good things come to an end eventually. That's life too.

Now, let me go listen to Dreams before Randi Rhodes comes on. Oh, and just in case Fleetwood Mac DOES become Buckingham less for GOOD at this late date:



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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 04:03 PM

7. Wow...I YouTubed this

Song about two hours ago..

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:13 PM

27. Great video. n/t

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:14 PM

28. He wouldn't do the tour unless they let him

play solo dates on the band's day off. They said no. I'm intrigued to see what Mike Campbell and Neil Finn add to the band.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:33 PM

4. Jesus, Lord, are they still around?

 


This is the best thing I've seen since Frida shoved her elbow into Agnetha:



There's been more analysis of that thing than "9/11 Conspiracy Proof" videos:

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:11 PM

26. Haha! Oh the drama! n/t

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 04:03 PM

6. I'm guessing there are egos a-plenty that caused this.

Everyone involved in the band seems to have issues. As a much bigger Neil Finn fan than I am a FM fan, I've been scratching my head over why he'd want to involve himself with a band drowning in so much drama all the time.

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Response to Neema (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 04:43 PM

8. i was going to post much the same thing, but thought I would just ruffle feathers

this is so much the ongoing Mac drama. wash rinse repeat

ps I love the Mac in any form

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Response to AmandaRuth (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 05:47 PM

10. My angle is more outside

so just that's my take from what little I know of the band over the years. Even for outsiders it seems like that band is always feuding over something.

The news definitely caused a big stir in the Neil Finn fan community, which is why I even know about it. I don't hate Fleetwood Mac, in fact I like quite a few songs, but I hate spending hundreds of dollars for nosebleed seats at an arena. So I've never been one to go to shows like this. Not sure if Neil joining the tour will change my mind on that.

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Response to Neema (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:11 PM

25. I'm really excited to see Neil Finn perform with them. n/t

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 09:58 AM

34. I'm interested in the idea, but not interested in pay $500 for a decent seat.

If I can get decent tickets for a reasonable price, I'm in.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 05:07 PM

9. Have no clue what this is about

Can't they have a disagreement (or hate each other) without "misogyny" being thrown around?

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:10 PM

24. This is about a group of male fans launching

a hate campaign against a successful woman who has been physically and emotionally abused by Buckingham including him mocking her onstage during the very last tour. Your results may vary.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 03:52 PM

11. Heavens, it has always been a volatile group with waaay too much "intra-band" history

I certainly don't put blame this on any particular member. It isn't like this is the first time this has happened.

That said, i really enjoy Buckingham and this makes me unlikely to want to see them, though I love the rest of the band as well.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:07 PM

23. Mike Campbell is fantastic. n/t

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:23 PM

12. Windmill Tilting

This was a professional dispute between multi multi millionaires
Side taking is about who was considered more skilled and more aligned with there enormous success
One was a singer songwriter
One was a singer songwriter, arranger, producer, lead guitarist, sweetener, musical director
If I take sides, gender is irrelevant

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:39 PM

13. To the extent I've been interested in Fleetwood Mac, my favorite line back in college was...

...that Stevie Nicks was a sign from God that cocaine is bad for you.

I never thought of Stevie Nicks as a great feminist icon because I never thought about her at all.

They're entertainers. I think I may know what a few of their catchy tunes are, but they're just catchy tunes, nothing earth shattering.

I really don't care what they fight about. It's none of my business.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:07 PM

22. So if you heard you neighbor abusing

his spouse you wouldn't call the cops? Is that what you're saying?

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 03:26 AM

33. Oh please... There is a real life out there, serious and important things.

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Don't trivialize real life by asking me to take cartoon characters seriously.

To compare Stevie Nicks to a woman in a woman's shelter is to be oblivious, and trivializing and frankly a little bit obscene.

How people come up with these kinds of associationson the internet - not caring about Stevie Nicks is the same as the tragedy of domestic abuse - is extremely disturbing...

You know, the beat I study on this website is the environment and its relationship to human poverty, seen through a prism of the scientific literature.

You comment reminds me of the kind of people who carry on about the importance of Elon Musk's stupid car for billionaires and millionaires as if it mattered, this on a planet where hundreds of thousands of people die - most of them children - because as the World Health Organization reports, 2.1 billion people lack access to clean water.

If there were 1/50th as many people who gave a shit about that fact - the lack of clean water for billions of people - as do the sordid lives of some stupid rock stars somewhere, or, to mention a similarly insipid bourgeois affectation, Tesla cars, the world would be a decent place.

But it's not a decent place. It's a cartoon, bread and circuses.

History will not forgive us, nor should it.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:15 PM

14. Someone started a petition over a bunch of rich geezers disagreeing?

 

Give me a fucking break.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:00 PM

18. No someone started

a petition about the mistreatment of women using a famous woman to highlight the message.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:35 PM

15. Wha...?

Even people who liked Fleetwood Mac don't care.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:04 PM

20. Nice signature. Is that for men only? n/t

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 12:48 PM

36. You're just trying to pick a fight.

Have a nice day.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:55 PM

16. I preferred Fleetwood Mac when Peter Green was with them.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:05 PM

21. Yes and I don't think Peter is a misogynist or woman beater.

I wish he could come back to the band but the LSD really messed him up and he's never been the same.

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 11:15 AM

35. Yes, like Syd Barrett.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:59 PM

17. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:02 PM

19. Yes I think the #metoo movement

misogyny, sexism and abuse are a great big bore. Let's get back to the missile strikes on Syria! (claps hands).
I really used to enjoy your posts.

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 03:25 AM

32. internal fights within Fleetwood Mac ARE NOT NEWS

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and they CERTAINLY don't rise to the level of misogyny, sexism and abuse

if he was abusive she could have ditched his sorry ass long ago.....it's only been, what, fifty years?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 01:22 PM

38. It's not news.

That's why I posted it in the lounge.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:19 PM

30. Please stop the homophobic blame game against Jello Biafra

he was fired from the Dead Kennedies. The excuse was he was a jerk. Is this good old homophobia at work?

</sarcasm>

"Rock Star" is synonymous with "huge ego impossible to work with"

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:28 PM

31. if you want to go back to even earlier glory days, here is my Buckingham-Nicks favorite:

(pre-video era, so it's only audio)

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 01:21 PM

37. Great song. n/t

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Response to gldstwmn (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 02:45 PM

39. I wish they could resolve some of the drama and perform this live -- and if possible

re-make and/or re-release the whole album. It was a gem.

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Response to gldstwmn (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2018, 07:30 PM

40. Sigh. First, the band breaks up. Then, the stories fly. Finally, they reunite and charge more for

tickets for the so-called final tour.

Wave enough money in these people faces, and somehow the personal hatred melts away.

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