Please stop the misogynistic blame game campaign against Stevie Nicks

[gldstwmn]

Lindsey Buckingham was fired from Fleetwood Mac. Since the news broke people have been blaming Stevie Nicks for his dismissal even referencing the #metoo movement as her motivation. While the band has issued a terse statement neither Buckingam nor Nicks have commented. Is this just the good old misogyny machine at work? Is Lindsey Buckingham, formerly of Fleetwood Mac: Rock’s biggest jerk or misunderstood genius as the Washington Post asked in this article? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/lindsey-buckingham-formerly-of-fleetwood-mac-rocks-biggest-jerk-or-misunderstood-genius/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d67953b637e9

Please let us know if you feel that Stevie is being given a bad rap, if Lindsey is in fact a jerk or if you are just #teamStevie. Please note this is a petition in support of Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie who is now also being criticized for Buckigham's dismissal and to highlight and disarm misogyny in the rock and roll culture.

https://www.change.org/p/emily-dickinson-please-stop-the-misogynistic-blame-game-campaign-against-stevie-nicks?recruiter=8029555&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_term=triggered

[BeyondGeography]

1. Who cares?

Their breakup resulted in the best song they ever did. And don't bombard me with alternatives. I'm not a big Mac fan, but Dreams is an awesome pop tune.

[mr_lebowski]

3. And that coin's flipside, Lindsey's "Go Your Own Way" is certainly no slouch ... (nt)

[gldstwmn]

29. Go Your Own Way? Oops sorry!

Couldn't help myself.

[mr_lebowski]

2. All I'm going to say is ... Fleetwood Mac is dead to me w/o Lindsey Buckingham ...

Don't get me wrong, I'll still love all the old music, and I think Christine in particular is awesome ... but I'd not go see the Mac w/o Lindsey. He's 'the show' to me.

[LenaBaby61]

5. They've been fighting (Artistic differences), inter-band dating, etc. since I was ....

14 (Well, since I was old enough to understand all that type of "Love/emotional Stuff" that went on in Fleetwood Mac :chuckle and I'll soon be 57. Now, I know that they stopped inter-band dating years ago, but the fighting (Musical differences), and disagreements continued because they're all human. I'm not team ANYBODY. LOVE their music--it's still a big part of my life/memories. I wish them all well and hope that they can work out their differences. But, if they can't and it's not meant to be in this 21st century ..... I'll accept a Lindsay Buckhamg less Fleetwood Mac, because I know that ALL good things come to an end eventually. That's life too.

Now, let me go listen to Dreams before Randi Rhodes comes on. Oh, and just in case Fleetwood Mac DOES become Buckingham less for GOOD at this late date:

[Upthevibe]

7. Wow...I YouTubed this

Song about two hours ago..

[gldstwmn]

27. Great video. n/t

[gldstwmn]

28. He wouldn't do the tour unless they let him

play solo dates on the band's day off. They said no. I'm intrigued to see what Mike Campbell and Neil Finn add to the band.

[jberryhill]

4. Jesus, Lord, are they still around?

This is the best thing I've seen since Frida shoved her elbow into Agnetha:

There's been more analysis of that thing than "9/11 Conspiracy Proof" videos:

[gldstwmn]

26. Haha! Oh the drama! n/t

[Neema]

6. I'm guessing there are egos a-plenty that caused this.

Everyone involved in the band seems to have issues. As a much bigger Neil Finn fan than I am a FM fan, I've been scratching my head over why he'd want to involve himself with a band drowning in so much drama all the time.

[AmandaRuth]

8. i was going to post much the same thing, but thought I would just ruffle feathers

this is so much the ongoing Mac drama. wash rinse repeat

ps I love the Mac in any form

[Neema]

10. My angle is more outside

so just that's my take from what little I know of the band over the years. Even for outsiders it seems like that band is always feuding over something.

The news definitely caused a big stir in the Neil Finn fan community, which is why I even know about it. I don't hate Fleetwood Mac, in fact I like quite a few songs, but I hate spending hundreds of dollars for nosebleed seats at an arena. So I've never been one to go to shows like this. Not sure if Neil joining the tour will change my mind on that.

[gldstwmn]

25. I'm really excited to see Neil Finn perform with them. n/t

[Neema]

34. I'm interested in the idea, but not interested in pay $500 for a decent seat.

If I can get decent tickets for a reasonable price, I'm in.

[left-of-center2012]

9. Have no clue what this is about

Can't they have a disagreement (or hate each other) without "misogyny" being thrown around?

[gldstwmn]

24. This is about a group of male fans launching

a hate campaign against a successful woman who has been physically and emotionally abused by Buckingham including him mocking her onstage during the very last tour. Your results may vary.

[hlthe2b]

11. Heavens, it has always been a volatile group with waaay too much "intra-band" history

I certainly don't put blame this on any particular member. It isn't like this is the first time this has happened.

That said, i really enjoy Buckingham and this makes me unlikely to want to see them, though I love the rest of the band as well.

[gldstwmn]

23. Mike Campbell is fantastic. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

12. Windmill Tilting

This was a professional dispute between multi multi millionaires
Side taking is about who was considered more skilled and more aligned with there enormous success
One was a singer songwriter
One was a singer songwriter, arranger, producer, lead guitarist, sweetener, musical director
If I take sides, gender is irrelevant

[NNadir]

13. To the extent I've been interested in Fleetwood Mac, my favorite line back in college was...

...that Stevie Nicks was a sign from God that cocaine is bad for you.

I never thought of Stevie Nicks as a great feminist icon because I never thought about her at all.

They're entertainers. I think I may know what a few of their catchy tunes are, but they're just catchy tunes, nothing earth shattering.

I really don't care what they fight about. It's none of my business.

[gldstwmn]

22. So if you heard you neighbor abusing

his spouse you wouldn't call the cops? Is that what you're saying?

[NNadir]

33. Oh please... There is a real life out there, serious and important things.

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Don't trivialize real life by asking me to take cartoon characters seriously.

To compare Stevie Nicks to a woman in a woman's shelter is to be oblivious, and trivializing and frankly a little bit obscene.

How people come up with these kinds of associationson the internet - not caring about Stevie Nicks is the same as the tragedy of domestic abuse - is extremely disturbing...

You know, the beat I study on this website is the environment and its relationship to human poverty, seen through a prism of the scientific literature.

You comment reminds me of the kind of people who carry on about the importance of Elon Musk's stupid car for billionaires and millionaires as if it mattered, this on a planet where hundreds of thousands of people die - most of them children - because as the World Health Organization reports, 2.1 billion people lack access to clean water.

If there were 1/50th as many people who gave a shit about that fact - the lack of clean water for billions of people - as do the sordid lives of some stupid rock stars somewhere, or, to mention a similarly insipid bourgeois affectation, Tesla cars, the world would be a decent place.

But it's not a decent place. It's a cartoon, bread and circuses.

History will not forgive us, nor should it.

[RhodeIslandOne]

14. Someone started a petition over a bunch of rich geezers disagreeing?

Give me a fucking break.

[gldstwmn]

18. No someone started

a petition about the mistreatment of women using a famous woman to highlight the message.

[Iggo]

15. Wha...?

Even people who liked Fleetwood Mac don't care.

[gldstwmn]

20. Nice signature. Is that for men only? n/t

[Iggo]

36. You're just trying to pick a fight.

Have a nice day.

[jalan48]

16. I preferred Fleetwood Mac when Peter Green was with them.

[gldstwmn]

21. Yes and I don't think Peter is a misogynist or woman beater.

I wish he could come back to the band but the LSD really messed him up and he's never been the same.

[jalan48]

35. Yes, like Syd Barrett.

[Skittles]

17. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[gldstwmn]

19. Yes I think the #metoo movement

misogyny, sexism and abuse are a great big bore. Let's get back to the missile strikes on Syria! (claps hands).
I really used to enjoy your posts.

[Skittles]

32. internal fights within Fleetwood Mac ARE NOT NEWS

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and they CERTAINLY don't rise to the level of misogyny, sexism and abuse

if he was abusive she could have ditched his sorry ass long ago.....it's only been, what, fifty years?

[gldstwmn]

38. It's not news.

That's why I posted it in the lounge.

[DBoon]

30. Please stop the homophobic blame game against Jello Biafra

he was fired from the Dead Kennedies. The excuse was he was a jerk. Is this good old homophobia at work?

</sarcasm>

"Rock Star" is synonymous with "huge ego impossible to work with"

[spooky3]

31. if you want to go back to even earlier glory days, here is my Buckingham-Nicks favorite:

(pre-video era, so it's only audio)

[gldstwmn]

37. Great song. n/t

[spooky3]

39. I wish they could resolve some of the drama and perform this live -- and if possible

re-make and/or re-release the whole album. It was a gem.

[Yavin4]

40. Sigh. First, the band breaks up. Then, the stories fly. Finally, they reunite and charge more for

tickets for the so-called final tour.

Wave enough money in these people faces, and somehow the personal hatred melts away.