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How to send an "E mail" 1984 (Original Post) Demovictory9 Apr 2018 OP
I remember actually kinda liking 300 baud modems back when... TreasonousBastard Apr 2018 #1
Great vid angry citizen Apr 2018 #8
Nice find! William Seger Apr 2018 #2
yup... GetRidOfThem Apr 2018 #3
Cool William Seger Apr 2018 #5
Should have tried a trading platform for Pez dispensers! GetRidOfThem Apr 2018 #13
Yup, it was probably Compute William Seger Apr 2018 #14
That was my first Word Processor! GetRidOfThem Apr 2018 #21
LOL, yeah, the speed button William Seger Apr 2018 #23
Atari 1200XL here. My aunt had a C64 i used a few times. Roland99 Apr 2018 #12
Actually, now that I think about it, my first computer was a Sinclair William Seger Apr 2018 #17
I had one of those. MGKrebs Apr 2018 #18
Yeah, in fairness, it was my first exposure to BASIC William Seger Apr 2018 #19
I had programmed a cool text-based football game on my Atari Roland99 Apr 2018 #22
Thats way better than me jcgoldie Apr 2018 #28
I had the same yesphan Apr 2018 #27
Started on the VIC 20... reACTIONary Apr 2018 #35
cut my teeth on the Data General Nova 2 infullview Apr 2018 #39
I was a physics Grad Student at the time jimlup Apr 2018 #4
I believe it was called bitnet on the IBM mainframe infullview Apr 2018 #10
I remember being amazed jimlup Apr 2018 #25
The mainframe is not dead. infullview Apr 2018 #29
Verizon still uses a lot for call record processing William Seger Apr 2018 #33
Somehow that's somewhat comforting jimlup Apr 2018 #48
Big iron is set to make a big comeback jmowreader Apr 2018 #56
I remember the release of 2BSD in 1979. It was magic. hunter Apr 2018 #59
Can you just imagine where this technology will take us in 30 years? MrScorpio Apr 2018 #6
Showing my age perhaps kchamberlin25 Apr 2018 #7
No, showing your age infullview Apr 2018 #30
I did that, but it was COBOL. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #34
hope you were a good typist. infullview Apr 2018 #37
Fortunately it was for a short time as part of a university course The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #40
That was my first paying job in University TrogL Apr 2018 #42
My first modem sharp_stick Apr 2018 #9
The good old days of dial up bulletin board systems Snake Plissken Apr 2018 #11
Yep. I had a bb account in the 90s Demovictory9 Apr 2018 #31
Ah, the good old days, infullview Apr 2018 #32
Thanks for the memories !!! SWBTATTReg Apr 2018 #15
I was at SIGGRAPH '83 when Steve Jobs introduced "Lisa" (for the bargain prices of $10,000) FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #16
I owned two Lisas TrogL Apr 2018 #43
Two! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #45
Personal password: 1-2-3-4 progressoid Apr 2018 #20
LOL, mine was much more clever: 7410 William Seger Apr 2018 #24
I noticed that, too mucifer Apr 2018 #58
Hey, look, it's Moss from the IT Crowd! nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #26
Really Kewl! Canoe52 Apr 2018 #36
For a second I thought you meant this geardaddy Apr 2018 #38
This was some expensive stuff at the time. mwooldri Apr 2018 #41
yes. my first computer cost $1500! a lot of money 25 plus years ago. Demovictory9 Apr 2018 #50
I have a lapel pin NJCher Apr 2018 #51
"Waiting for the modem..." Miles Archer Apr 2018 #44
Yes. This is what computers were without porn. Yavin4 Apr 2018 #46
My first computer was a Timex-Sinclair 2068. CaptainTruth Apr 2018 #47
I still can't figure out anything tech. It sucks! BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #49
Fascinating underpants Apr 2018 #52
youtube is a treasure trove of retro vids Demovictory9 Apr 2018 #55
Thanks for posting......incredible.. Stuart G Apr 2018 #53
The Mo-Dem. Codeine Apr 2018 #54
I'm pretty sure the password he types in at about 1:25 is 1234. lol TeamPooka Apr 2018 #57

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. I remember actually kinda liking 300 baud modems back when...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:43 AM
Apr 2018

it was mostly plain text and you could read it as it came in. 2400 baud seemed amazing, but you had to wait for it all to download before you could read anything.

Simpler times.

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
2. Nice find!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:55 AM
Apr 2018

I was fascinated with ordinary people having computers -- my first was a Commodore 64 -- but I never imagined the internet back then. Thank you, Al Gore!

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
3. yup...
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:23 AM
Apr 2018

My first one was the Commodore 64. Wow! 64 kilobytes of memory. But my classmate had an Apple 2e, I think it was. He went off to Tufts, and then founded eBay.... (yup, Pierre Omidyar and I were high school buds...)

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
5. Cool
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:39 AM
Apr 2018

My first attempt at a website was an auction site that went online about a month after eBay. Sorry, but I hate your classmate.

ETA: Did you read Compute magazine?

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
13. Should have tried a trading platform for Pez dispensers!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:45 AM
Apr 2018


I don't recall what magazines I read, but my first word processor I typed in the machine code from a magazine, and it may have been Compute. I saved the typed in program on a casette tape!...

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
14. Yup, it was probably Compute
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:51 AM
Apr 2018

I had a small BASIC program for the VIC and C64 published in Compute in '84 that POKEd machine code into memory and then executed it. If you wanted to use it, you had to type in all those numbers a byte at a time in DATA statements and save in on a cassette drive. Fun stuff!

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
21. That was my first Word Processor!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:54 AM
Apr 2018

Data statement with numbers!

Must have been Compute!

Then I grew up and got myself my first XT clone. Some guys like to take their guns apart blindfolded, with me it was the first IBM clone. I got it with two really amazing things: Floppy drives!

And yes, in the end I was able to assemble it blindfolded, as long as I did not have to mess with jumpers!

You could boost the clone from the original 4.77 megahertz to 10 megahertz. There was a button.

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
23. LOL, yeah, the speed button
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:24 AM
Apr 2018

... which reminds me of another anecdote: I was in the basement of the Smithsonian History and Technology museum in D.C. (now just called the American History building, I think), where that had parts of the ENIAC on display, the first "general purpose" (programmable) computer developed in the '40s. One of the parts was a mobile console with a bunch of knobs on top, one of which was labeled "Speed." I turned it, and it came off in my hand! I looked around, and there was nobody else to be seen. For about two seconds -- okay, maybe more -- I considered how cool it would be to have the speed control from the world's first computer... then I put it back and left quickly before I changed my mind.

And "XT clone" reminds me of one of the World's Greatest Corporate Blunders -- IBM thinking that the Big Blue label on the box was all they needed, so why not just buy an OS from Bill Gates.

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
17. Actually, now that I think about it, my first computer was a Sinclair
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:19 AM
Apr 2018

... which was a small, really cheap computer with a membrane keyboard and 1KB of memory, I think, and the TV screen showed 32-character lines. There were hardly any programs available -- I can't even remember any. I had forgotten about it because it was pretty close to useless.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
18. I had one of those.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:28 AM
Apr 2018

You could by a magazine that showed you how to write programs, like for a 'Pong' game for example.
Not bad for a first toe in the water kind of thing. Minimal investment. I think it was $99.

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
19. Yeah, in fairness, it was my first exposure to BASIC
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:38 AM
Apr 2018

... which got me interested in learning to program a Wang mini-computer we had at work, and I ended up going back to school and a career in programming as a result.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
22. I had programmed a cool text-based football game on my Atari
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:10 AM
Apr 2018

Saving it to cassette took like an hour!

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
28. Thats way better than me
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:45 AM
Apr 2018

Seems like it took me hours on my commodore 64 learning to make the text change colors and blink... how exciting

infullview

(978 posts)
39. cut my teeth on the Data General Nova 2
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:06 PM
Apr 2018

4 Accumulators, multiplexed to act like a 16 bit machine using 4 cycles to crunch a 16 bit number. 16m of core memory with a paper tape reader that was used to load Basic and a simple command line interface.

In order to start up, you had to use paddle switches to key in a 12 step assembly code program which loaded from the paper tape reader - very advanced technology.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
4. I was a physics Grad Student at the time
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:31 AM
Apr 2018

I've been using "email" since '79 but it wasn't internet - it was local to a VAX mainframe so you could only email people who also used that mainframe.

My mentor used his first name as his password because he didn't like having to type it in. His name was Ed but his password was ed.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
25. I remember being amazed
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:02 AM
Apr 2018

in the early '90's when I could suddenly communicate with anyone or computer in the world instantly through the internet. I was at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and remember the early days well. I didn't realize at the time that Mainframes would be replaced by desktops.

Now the only mainframes are the supercomputers at the National Labs and Universities.

infullview

(978 posts)
29. The mainframe is not dead.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:19 AM
Apr 2018

IBM's new mainframes are used to do stuff like ATM, Bank, IRS, etc.. where huge volumes of data and speed are critical.

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
56. Big iron is set to make a big comeback
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:23 AM
Apr 2018

The current IBM mainframe line is Z14. One Z14 replaces a LOT of 1U servers, it's not as hackable as a Linux box (that is, if it's hackable at all), and it stores everything in encrypted format.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
59. I remember the release of 2BSD in 1979. It was magic.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:10 PM
Apr 2018

After that I wrote most of my term papers (and a great American novel... ) using vi. I don't recall how I got started, but I can surmise they were looking for fools to test the system. I still have some of the original documentation handed to me.

At some point I remember sending an email to someone across the country and getting a reply right back. Wow! I was still using Western Union telegrams to communicate urgent matters overseas then, because phone service was too expensive and unreliable. At the time the entire University was connected to the internet by the equivalent of a 56k modem which everyone shared.

Email changed everything.

When I first signed up to DU I was still using a highly modified version of Windows 98 SE but I soon switched fully to Linux, which was like coming home again.

The "ed" password makes me laugh. I once used a four letter password, all lowercase and easy to type with one hand, on a low privilege account that had been assigned by a professor newly infatuated with "educational" software. Someone stole my password, probably as they passed glancing over my shoulder. The next time I tried to log in I was locked out, the password had been changed. It amuses me to imagine the thief learning he could run nothing more than the most hideously boring "educational" software ever devised. I was always careful with other passwords, past reasonable precautions into paranoia.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,615 posts)
40. Fortunately it was for a short time as part of a university course
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:29 PM
Apr 2018

and that was bad enough. You couldn't make ANY mistakes or you had to do it all over again.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
9. My first modem
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 06:56 AM
Apr 2018

was a 2400 baud and I could connect to the university I went to. Then I joined up with Delphi and got lost in the early internet.

I remember the first image I downloaded was the Rolling Stones tongue. It took 20 minutes to download then another hour or so to download the program I needed to view the picture. Good times.

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
15. Thanks for the memories !!!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:56 AM
Apr 2018

I remember getting my nephew a Commodore 64 for XMAS (I've been in systems devel/design since 1975) and got this little thing (the Commodore 64) from Radio Shack that played, I think mostly music. He was so interested in the Commodore 64 that he took it apart and played around w/. He has a nice career in IT (hosting etc.) now, so I feel good about getting at least someone in the family interested in IT. I remember the lab that we had, where we had the original apple, and windows platforms (during 1975-81) and had a couple of crazy types that played around w/ them (and UNIX)...this also was when we had to use sign up sheets to be able to reserve a spot to use one of terminals hooked up to our IBM processors at the time (not the apple or windows platforms, these were just being looked at/examined at the time for possible use in the company).

Hopped in data communications and develop. of packet switching networks in 1981 so we could cut costs of renting telecommunications lines (they were very very very expensive back then), so we migrated over 4,000 lines that we were paying for by the month, into a packet network, and then our market guys said 'hey, why not sell this stuff?'.

We did, but it took a lot of training on our part to teach the in-house voice world what in the world was data??? CompuServe and AOL were among our first customers. Since then, data traffic jumped pretty well 1000% a month, and we constantly warned the company that 'Hey guys, watch out! We're running out of dasd, etc.!'...

Many other stories but I'm glad I was there along w/ others then, to slowly explain and bring data to the voice world (remember it was mostly analog back then, w/ very expensive conditioned lines for digital/data lines, there was no data network at all unless it was totally in-house). Most people in the voice world couldn't understand data, just couldn't. It amazed me (I was an IT guy from get go, vs. embedded voice world). Doing everything back then was totally new, product descriptions, tariffs (writing), accumulating data for billing and/or network purposes, assembling data into a readable format, etc.

Now, I don't think folks (a few of us do) realize the enormity of what's was put in place and the technology that occurred in multiple points along the way to establish these networks at the start...a lot of what we did was never done before. A whole brand new world. I even remember wondering what in the world (along w/ others) what kind of traffic would be sent along such networks?

I think that we are seeing what is possible w/ these networks. I am disturbed by the lack of candor and accountability on the part of FB to realize the value of their user data and letting it get distributed so widely and uncontrolled. Now unfortunately, all of the millions of IDs and associated user data is out there forever. Believe it or not, I got the feeling that there are still a lot of people out there that don't realize that once your data and so forth gets to a front end processor, you don't know what's beyond that particular FEP. The phone company had a fit about this. But it's true, once you hand off the traffic, you don't know where it's going.

Ah, enough ... any more stories out there? Take care all.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,008 posts)
16. I was at SIGGRAPH '83 when Steve Jobs introduced "Lisa" (for the bargain prices of $10,000)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:18 AM
Apr 2018

With it's intuitive graphic user interface, cute little icons, and mouse control, it was touted as the computer for anyone - well, if you had $10 grand.

Steve Jobs told the rapt audience "I wanted to offer a new thing that had two features: easy enough your mother could use it, and bold enough that all our competitors would say "Oh SHIT!"

If only I had had the money to buy Apple stock back then.




My first was this unassuming bit of tech:

TrogL

(32,818 posts)
43. I owned two Lisas
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 05:33 PM
Apr 2018

Used but they still worked. Hard disk drives the size of a loaf of bread, probably held 40 mb.

mwooldri

(10,302 posts)
41. This was some expensive stuff at the time.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:38 PM
Apr 2018

Cost to subscribe to the service.
Cost to make the call to the remote computer on a per minute basis.
Cost to view pages on the Prestel system.
Cost to send messages.
And in GPO days cost to have a special line and plug.

Man we have come a long way since then.

However for 20p (about 25 cents) per recipient you could email spam. Mind "email addresses" were the last 6 digits of your phone number and details were as public as the phone book. Yes, you could have an ex-directory "address" but... it'll cost ya... Maybe though this model of email addressing and fee structure has its merits? After all only companies with deep pockets would send you spam.

But in that video.. a Rotary dial phone to call the remote computer? And a GPO phone too... (pre. British Telecom)

The computer was recognisable to me immediately as a BBC... I think every school in the UK had one. BBC computers came about because the BBC planned a series of computer literacy TV programmes and needed a computer to go along with it. Contest was held, Acorn Computers won out over Sinclair. Acorn (or rather Sophie Wilson and Steve Furber) went on to develop the RISC processor, which survived Acorn's demise to be the foundation of every CPU in nearly every cellphone (and tons of other devices) today.



Demovictory9

(32,423 posts)
50. yes. my first computer cost $1500! a lot of money 25 plus years ago.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:00 AM
Apr 2018

thats back when the computer monitor keyboard everything came in one package. It was a 486?

back when the sequence was 186 286 386 486 then pentiums came along, then pentium IIs.

CaptainTruth

(6,576 posts)
47. My first computer was a Timex-Sinclair 2068.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 07:23 PM
Apr 2018

I chose it over a C64 because of (slightly) more RAM & the BASIC language laid out on the keyboard so you could use combinations of Shift/Alt + letter keys to write BASIC code.

I still have it, in the box.

BigmanPigman

(51,571 posts)
49. I still can't figure out anything tech. It sucks!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:34 PM
Apr 2018

I wish I understood it but I do not. I guess I am one of those old fashioned, hands on type of person.

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