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(43,049 posts)it was mostly plain text and you could read it as it came in. 2400 baud seemed amazing, but you had to wait for it all to download before you could read anything.
Simpler times.
angry citizen
(73 posts)Brings me back to my old Comupserve days.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)I was fascinated with ordinary people having computers -- my first was a Commodore 64 -- but I never imagined the internet back then. Thank you, Al Gore!
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)My first one was the Commodore 64. Wow! 64 kilobytes of memory. But my classmate had an Apple 2e, I think it was. He went off to Tufts, and then founded eBay.... (yup, Pierre Omidyar and I were high school buds...)
William Seger
(10,775 posts)My first attempt at a website was an auction site that went online about a month after eBay. Sorry, but I hate your classmate.
ETA: Did you read Compute magazine?
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)I don't recall what magazines I read, but my first word processor I typed in the machine code from a magazine, and it may have been Compute. I saved the typed in program on a casette tape!...
William Seger
(10,775 posts)I had a small BASIC program for the VIC and C64 published in Compute in '84 that POKEd machine code into memory and then executed it. If you wanted to use it, you had to type in all those numbers a byte at a time in DATA statements and save in on a cassette drive. Fun stuff!
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)Data statement with numbers!
Must have been Compute!
Then I grew up and got myself my first XT clone. Some guys like to take their guns apart blindfolded, with me it was the first IBM clone. I got it with two really amazing things: Floppy drives!
And yes, in the end I was able to assemble it blindfolded, as long as I did not have to mess with jumpers!
You could boost the clone from the original 4.77 megahertz to 10 megahertz. There was a button.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)... which reminds me of another anecdote: I was in the basement of the Smithsonian History and Technology museum in D.C. (now just called the American History building, I think), where that had parts of the ENIAC on display, the first "general purpose" (programmable) computer developed in the '40s. One of the parts was a mobile console with a bunch of knobs on top, one of which was labeled "Speed." I turned it, and it came off in my hand! I looked around, and there was nobody else to be seen. For about two seconds -- okay, maybe more -- I considered how cool it would be to have the speed control from the world's first computer... then I put it back and left quickly before I changed my mind.
And "XT clone" reminds me of one of the World's Greatest Corporate Blunders -- IBM thinking that the Big Blue label on the box was all they needed, so why not just buy an OS from Bill Gates.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)William Seger
(10,775 posts)... which was a small, really cheap computer with a membrane keyboard and 1KB of memory, I think, and the TV screen showed 32-character lines. There were hardly any programs available -- I can't even remember any. I had forgotten about it because it was pretty close to useless.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)You could by a magazine that showed you how to write programs, like for a 'Pong' game for example.
Not bad for a first toe in the water kind of thing. Minimal investment. I think it was $99.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)... which got me interested in learning to program a Wang mini-computer we had at work, and I ended up going back to school and a career in programming as a result.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Saving it to cassette took like an hour!
jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)Seems like it took me hours on my commodore 64 learning to make the text change colors and blink... how exciting
yesphan
(1,587 posts)thing. Yes, basically useless.
reACTIONary
(5,768 posts).... upgraded to the C64.
infullview
(978 posts)4 Accumulators, multiplexed to act like a 16 bit machine using 4 cycles to crunch a 16 bit number. 16m of core memory with a paper tape reader that was used to load Basic and a simple command line interface.
In order to start up, you had to use paddle switches to key in a 12 step assembly code program which loaded from the paper tape reader - very advanced technology.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I've been using "email" since '79 but it wasn't internet - it was local to a VAX mainframe so you could only email people who also used that mainframe.
My mentor used his first name as his password because he didn't like having to type it in. His name was Ed but his password was ed.
infullview
(978 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)in the early '90's when I could suddenly communicate with anyone or computer in the world instantly through the internet. I was at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and remember the early days well. I didn't realize at the time that Mainframes would be replaced by desktops.
Now the only mainframes are the supercomputers at the National Labs and Universities.
infullview
(978 posts)IBM's new mainframes are used to do stuff like ATM, Bank, IRS, etc.. where huge volumes of data and speed are critical.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)jmowreader
(50,533 posts)The current IBM mainframe line is Z14. One Z14 replaces a LOT of 1U servers, it's not as hackable as a Linux box (that is, if it's hackable at all), and it stores everything in encrypted format.
hunter
(38,304 posts)After that I wrote most of my term papers (and a great American novel... ) using vi. I don't recall how I got started, but I can surmise they were looking for fools to test the system. I still have some of the original documentation handed to me.
At some point I remember sending an email to someone across the country and getting a reply right back. Wow! I was still using Western Union telegrams to communicate urgent matters overseas then, because phone service was too expensive and unreliable. At the time the entire University was connected to the internet by the equivalent of a 56k modem which everyone shared.
Email changed everything.
When I first signed up to DU I was still using a highly modified version of Windows 98 SE but I soon switched fully to Linux, which was like coming home again.
The "ed" password makes me laugh. I once used a four letter password, all lowercase and easy to type with one hand, on a low privilege account that had been assigned by a professor newly infatuated with "educational" software. Someone stole my password, probably as they passed glancing over my shoulder. The next time I tried to log in I was locked out, the password had been changed. It amuses me to imagine the thief learning he could run nothing more than the most hideously boring "educational" software ever devised. I was always careful with other passwords, past reasonable precautions into paranoia.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)That's amazing!
kchamberlin25
(84 posts)I had a Vic 20 LOL
infullview
(978 posts)would be admitting you used keypunch terminals to write Fortran.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,615 posts)infullview
(978 posts)COBOL has to be the wordiest language I've ever coded (next to XSLT).
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,615 posts)and that was bad enough. You couldn't make ANY mistakes or you had to do it all over again.
TrogL
(32,818 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)was a 2400 baud and I could connect to the university I went to. Then I joined up with Delphi and got lost in the early internet.
I remember the first image I downloaded was the Rolling Stones tongue. It took 20 minutes to download then another hour or so to download the program I needed to view the picture. Good times.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)before Compuserve, AOL, and Prodigy
Demovictory9
(32,423 posts)infullview
(978 posts)before they let Compuserve, AOL, and Prodigy join the internet community.
SWBTATTReg
(22,077 posts)I remember getting my nephew a Commodore 64 for XMAS (I've been in systems devel/design since 1975) and got this little thing (the Commodore 64) from Radio Shack that played, I think mostly music. He was so interested in the Commodore 64 that he took it apart and played around w/. He has a nice career in IT (hosting etc.) now, so I feel good about getting at least someone in the family interested in IT. I remember the lab that we had, where we had the original apple, and windows platforms (during 1975-81) and had a couple of crazy types that played around w/ them (and UNIX)...this also was when we had to use sign up sheets to be able to reserve a spot to use one of terminals hooked up to our IBM processors at the time (not the apple or windows platforms, these were just being looked at/examined at the time for possible use in the company).
Hopped in data communications and develop. of packet switching networks in 1981 so we could cut costs of renting telecommunications lines (they were very very very expensive back then), so we migrated over 4,000 lines that we were paying for by the month, into a packet network, and then our market guys said 'hey, why not sell this stuff?'.
We did, but it took a lot of training on our part to teach the in-house voice world what in the world was data??? CompuServe and AOL were among our first customers. Since then, data traffic jumped pretty well 1000% a month, and we constantly warned the company that 'Hey guys, watch out! We're running out of dasd, etc.!'...
Many other stories but I'm glad I was there along w/ others then, to slowly explain and bring data to the voice world (remember it was mostly analog back then, w/ very expensive conditioned lines for digital/data lines, there was no data network at all unless it was totally in-house). Most people in the voice world couldn't understand data, just couldn't. It amazed me (I was an IT guy from get go, vs. embedded voice world). Doing everything back then was totally new, product descriptions, tariffs (writing), accumulating data for billing and/or network purposes, assembling data into a readable format, etc.
Now, I don't think folks (a few of us do) realize the enormity of what's was put in place and the technology that occurred in multiple points along the way to establish these networks at the start...a lot of what we did was never done before. A whole brand new world. I even remember wondering what in the world (along w/ others) what kind of traffic would be sent along such networks?
I think that we are seeing what is possible w/ these networks. I am disturbed by the lack of candor and accountability on the part of FB to realize the value of their user data and letting it get distributed so widely and uncontrolled. Now unfortunately, all of the millions of IDs and associated user data is out there forever. Believe it or not, I got the feeling that there are still a lot of people out there that don't realize that once your data and so forth gets to a front end processor, you don't know what's beyond that particular FEP. The phone company had a fit about this. But it's true, once you hand off the traffic, you don't know where it's going.
Ah, enough ... any more stories out there? Take care all.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,008 posts)With it's intuitive graphic user interface, cute little icons, and mouse control, it was touted as the computer for anyone - well, if you had $10 grand.
Steve Jobs told the rapt audience "I wanted to offer a new thing that had two features: easy enough your mother could use it, and bold enough that all our competitors would say "Oh SHIT!"
If only I had had the money to buy Apple stock back then.
My first was this unassuming bit of tech:
TrogL
(32,818 posts)Used but they still worked. Hard disk drives the size of a loaf of bread, probably held 40 mb.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,008 posts)progressoid
(49,952 posts)Still in use today.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)... running my finger down the left side of the numeric keypad.
mucifer
(23,488 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)Canoe52
(2,948 posts)geardaddy
(24,926 posts)mwooldri
(10,302 posts)Cost to subscribe to the service.
Cost to make the call to the remote computer on a per minute basis.
Cost to view pages on the Prestel system.
Cost to send messages.
And in GPO days cost to have a special line and plug.
Man we have come a long way since then.
However for 20p (about 25 cents) per recipient you could email spam. Mind "email addresses" were the last 6 digits of your phone number and details were as public as the phone book. Yes, you could have an ex-directory "address" but... it'll cost ya... Maybe though this model of email addressing and fee structure has its merits? After all only companies with deep pockets would send you spam.
But in that video.. a Rotary dial phone to call the remote computer? And a GPO phone too... (pre. British Telecom)
The computer was recognisable to me immediately as a BBC... I think every school in the UK had one. BBC computers came about because the BBC planned a series of computer literacy TV programmes and needed a computer to go along with it. Contest was held, Acorn Computers won out over Sinclair. Acorn (or rather Sophie Wilson and Steve Furber) went on to develop the RISC processor, which survived Acorn's demise to be the foundation of every CPU in nearly every cellphone (and tons of other devices) today.
Demovictory9
(32,423 posts)thats back when the computer monitor keyboard everything came in one package. It was a 486?
back when the sequence was 186 286 386 486 then pentiums came along, then pentium IIs.
NJCher
(35,628 posts)made from a 386 chip. It was given to me by Andy Grove. Yes, that Andrew Grove.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Good times.
Yavin4
(35,423 posts)Porn drove more innovation than anything else.
CaptainTruth
(6,576 posts)I chose it over a C64 because of (slightly) more RAM & the BASIC language laid out on the keyboard so you could use combinations of Shift/Alt + letter keys to write BASIC code.
I still have it, in the box.
BigmanPigman
(51,571 posts)I wish I understood it but I do not. I guess I am one of those old fashioned, hands on type of person.
underpants
(182,634 posts)Thanks
Demovictory9
(32,423 posts)Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)I couldnt get past that pronunciation!