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DerekG

(2,935 posts)
Thu May 24, 2012, 05:25 PM May 2012

Film fanatics: Name an overrated "masterpiece" (the older the better)

I just saw Renoir's Rules of the Game, commonly cited as one of the ten greatest films ever made. Not the case. At best, it's a mildly diverting social satire devoid of technical mastery or lasting substance. Those who place this alongside Citizen Kane or Vertigo are daft.

Anyone up for slaughtering some sacred cows?


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Film fanatics: Name an overrated "masterpiece" (the older the better) (Original Post) DerekG May 2012 OP
Seventh Seal elleng May 2012 #1
Metropolis bored me to tears. Ineeda May 2012 #2
God, me too XemaSab May 2012 #33
Oh Dear God LoveMyCali May 2012 #42
2001: A Space Odyssey ohiosmith May 2012 #3
Heh solara May 2012 #16
Casablanca Wait Wut May 2012 #4
Gasp. This is the end of a beautiful friendship, Mr. Wut Bucky May 2012 #18
La Dolce Vita CBGLuthier May 2012 #5
La Dolce Vita way over-rated. Graybeard May 2012 #37
Gone with the Wind.... lastlib May 2012 #6
Isn't that the point of the movie? n/t truedelphi May 2012 #8
A freaking 4 hour long Soap Opera.... MicaelS May 2012 #10
Hey, what about a "Violence Against Slaves Act" instead? She's so mean to poor Butterfly McQueen Bucky May 2012 #19
Agreed. Archae May 2012 #22
Clearly #1 zeemike May 2012 #29
Anything with Mel Gibson lastlib May 2012 #7
I dunno, the first two Mad Max films still hold up. Bucky May 2012 #20
"Galloping Horse" by Eadweard Muybridge zbdent May 2012 #9
But he did some great nudies... hunter May 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author zbdent May 2012 #14
Hey, no spoilers on that. I haven't seen it yet! Gidney N Cloyd May 2012 #13
the book was better ... zbdent May 2012 #15
The book was 13/1 Gidney N Cloyd May 2012 #28
Chariots of Fire and My Left Foot both lost me Gidney N Cloyd May 2012 #11
Chariots of Fire. I'm no dummy, but I didn't get it. At all! n/t phylny May 2012 #24
Well I am sure I am gonna get flamed for this little list solara May 2012 #17
Aren't at least Titanic and Avatar considered to be complete crap? harmonicon May 2012 #23
Very possibly, but I think initially they were both considered solara May 2012 #27
Technologically they were innovative, but shit story-wise. harmonicon May 2012 #31
Agreed solara May 2012 #45
I'm not clever enough to have made it up - I got it from South Park. (nt) harmonicon May 2012 #51
A friend of mine summed up my feelings about 'The English Patient' perfectly Rob H. May 2012 #38
I love these.. and I think they are right on solara May 2012 #46
How can you not like Chariots of Fire? JVS May 2012 #48
I didn't say I didn't like it, exactly solara May 2012 #49
Citizen Kane, Rear Window, Ordinary People, BlueIris May 2012 #21
A few years ago I made a point to watch some classics RZM May 2012 #25
You were not meant to enjoy A Clockwork Orange. zeemike May 2012 #30
Exactly! n/t WiffenPoof May 2012 #35
I was certainly disturbed by it Art_from_Ark May 2012 #50
Check out this site which includes Clockwork Orange. edbermac May 2012 #52
Wings of Desire pink-o May 2012 #26
Eyes Wide Shut kwassa May 2012 #32
Let's See WiffenPoof May 2012 #34
Eraserhead XemaSab May 2012 #36
Definitely agree with 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' RZM May 2012 #39
Ben Hur SoDesuKa May 2012 #40
'Vertigo' Populist_Prole May 2012 #41
Anything by Woody Allen Major Nikon May 2012 #43
IMHO these films aren't so good: Doc_Technical May 2012 #44
Yep yep solara May 2012 #47

LoveMyCali

(2,015 posts)
42. Oh Dear God
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:35 AM
May 2012

I can't even tell you how many times I had to watch that travesty when I was in college.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
4. Casablanca
Thu May 24, 2012, 06:15 PM
May 2012

I've tried watching it a million times. I fall asleep every friggin' time. Not a fan of Bogart, so that probably doesn't help. But, I do love African Queen.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
18. Gasp. This is the end of a beautiful friendship, Mr. Wut
Thu May 24, 2012, 08:43 PM
May 2012

I still get goose pimples whenever Victor Lazlow leads in impromptu "La Marseillaise" outsinging "Deutschland uber Sein Sorry Arsch".

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
37. La Dolce Vita way over-rated.
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:32 PM
May 2012

Dated and ridiculous. The targets Fellini chose to skewer are too easy and obvious. I wonder if those who put it at the top of his films have seen it lately.

Yet on the other hand Fellini's true masterworks like La Strada and 8 1/2 just keep getting better and better with repeat viewings.

lastlib

(23,222 posts)
6. Gone with the Wind....
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:22 PM
May 2012

...every time i see it on, I want to bitch-slap Scarlett. (that'll probably get me tombstoned.....)

And I SUPPORT the Violence Against Women Act.....!

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
19. Hey, what about a "Violence Against Slaves Act" instead? She's so mean to poor Butterfly McQueen
Thu May 24, 2012, 08:45 PM
May 2012

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
29. Clearly #1
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:01 PM
May 2012

The only part of that movie I enjoyed was at the end..."Frankly my dear I don't give a damn"...that summed up how I felt about it too.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
20. I dunno, the first two Mad Max films still hold up.
Thu May 24, 2012, 08:46 PM
May 2012

I didn't like the 3rd one even the first time I saw it. What a waste of Tina Turner.

Response to hunter (Reply #12)

solara

(3,836 posts)
17. Well I am sure I am gonna get flamed for this little list
Thu May 24, 2012, 08:27 PM
May 2012

The English Patient

Titanic

Avatar

Slumdog Millionaire

Chariots of Fire



harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
23. Aren't at least Titanic and Avatar considered to be complete crap?
Thu May 24, 2012, 09:33 PM
May 2012

I mean by critics and those who would be interested in good cinema.

The others you listed, I don't know enough about.

solara

(3,836 posts)
27. Very possibly, but I think initially they were both considered
Thu May 24, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

innovative.. and somehow 'ground breaking' ( go figure)

and they were two of the top grossing films of all time I believe. so the masses must have believed the hype.

I think eventually some critics came to the conclusion that Academy Award winner, James Cameron, who stood at the helm of both of these pictures, was really not all that, and neither were his two biggest pictures.







harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
31. Technologically they were innovative, but shit story-wise.
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:09 PM
May 2012

I saw Avatar. I was interested in the technology behind it, and did find it interesting for that reason, but it was still just "Dances With Smurfs."

Rob H.

(5,351 posts)
38. A friend of mine summed up my feelings about 'The English Patient' perfectly
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:44 PM
May 2012

She said they should have called it The Endless Patient, instead.

Another friend refers to Slumdog Millionaire as DumbSlog MillionBore. I haven't seen it myself, though.

solara

(3,836 posts)
46. I love these.. and I think they are right on
Fri May 25, 2012, 02:27 AM
May 2012


The Endless Patient!! Dumbslog Millionbore!!! Ohhhh yes!

solara

(3,836 posts)
49. I didn't say I didn't like it, exactly
Fri May 25, 2012, 02:55 AM
May 2012

But it was a disappointment after all the hype
And I really didn't think it was as good as other people thought it was.



sorry.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
21. Citizen Kane, Rear Window, Ordinary People,
Thu May 24, 2012, 09:07 PM
May 2012

Kramer vs. Kramer, Rain Man, The Hours, Chicago and...There Will Be Blood.

It kills me to post that last one.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
25. A few years ago I made a point to watch some classics
Thu May 24, 2012, 10:38 PM
May 2012

I'd never seen. I was surprised how many underwhelmed me.

A Clockwork Orange and Midnight Cowboy were the biggest letdowns. Although I did think the cinematography of Clockwork was incredible, as a whole I didn't particularly enjoy it.

edbermac

(15,938 posts)
52. Check out this site which includes Clockwork Orange.
Fri May 25, 2012, 04:28 AM
May 2012

This guy Rob Ager does some first rate analysis and points out a ton of stuff even I've never noticed and I'm a diehard Kubrick fan. Some interesting interpretations with some videos in the chapters.

http://www.collativelearning.com/ACO%20expanded%20analysis%20.html

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
26. Wings of Desire
Thu May 24, 2012, 10:46 PM
May 2012

In the early 90s my friends all lovd this film and I found it unwatchable. My ex husband was German and he hated it worse than I did. But we're both agnostics so maybe that had something to do with it.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
32. Eyes Wide Shut
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:23 PM
May 2012

I love Kubrick, but not this.

I don't know how a film full of so many beautiful naked women could be boring, unsexual, and pointless. But there it is.

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
34. Let's See
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:29 PM
May 2012

Ordinary People
Kramer vs. Kramer

to name two.

Under-rated:
Taxi Driver
Barry Lyndon
They Shoot Horses Don't They

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
36. Eraserhead
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:31 PM
May 2012

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Chinatown, 2001, Manchurian Candidate, Pulp Fiction... meh.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
39. Definitely agree with 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:46 PM
May 2012

I thought it was good, but I don't think I would call it 'great.'

SoDesuKa

(3,173 posts)
40. Ben Hur
Thu May 24, 2012, 11:48 PM
May 2012

I don't think I could sit through four hours of it again, although it was considered a cinematic triumph when it came out. Chuck Heston wasn't such an asshole back then.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
41. 'Vertigo'
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:34 AM
May 2012

I'm a fan of Hitchcock and Jimmy Stewart ( my favorite being 'Rear Window' ) and it's a great movie "on paper" ( nicely shot, and Kim Novak looked great, and I love the creepy music on the opening credits ) but even by my patient standards it moved just too slowly and was pretty much a snoozer. By the time the plot twist was revealed, I found it anti-climactic and I just didn't give a shit anymore.

Another eagerly anticipated "classic" I ultimately found disappointing was 'The Maltese Falcon'. Another dull one.

Doc_Technical

(3,526 posts)
44. IMHO these films aren't so good:
Fri May 25, 2012, 01:58 AM
May 2012

Grand Illusion (1937)

The World of Henry Orient (1964)

Darling (1965)

Giant (1956)

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