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Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:04 PM

Just got back from Terminator: Dark Fate.

It was terrific. Despite all the spoiled brat whining from the spoiled white fanbois, it was hell of a movie. All three female leads kicked ass. Which is what the fanbois hate.

Natalia Reyes as Dani Ramos was especially great. And Linda Hamilton was superb as always. Mackenzie Davis was intense, it was hard to connect to her as Mindy Parks in The Martian

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Response to MicaelS (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:17 PM

1. I like how it sets up an expanded universe for the post-Schwarzenegger-era.

Mackenzie Davis was also in Blade Runner.



I have this glorious idea how to continue the Terminator-franchise, but I know that it will never come it this way:

At the beginning of TF, Skynet sends a Terminator back in time, who kills John Connor. This is AFTER the future has already been altered. -> Skynet sent the Terminator back in time from a future that no longer exists.

And this is how the war starts: In one timeline Skynet will be born, in another timeline Legion will be born, in another timeline neither will be born.
* Skynet sends Terminators back in time.
* Legion sends Revs back in time.
* The humans send humans back in time.
Each of those is trying to kill/protect people in the past and change the past to make sure that THEIR timeline is the one that really happens.

For example, Skynet sends a Terminator back in time to protect somebody. Legion sends a Rev back in time to kill that person. The person survives! Yay!!! Plot-twist: The person will be instrumental in building Skynet.




A three-way time-war.

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Response to MicaelS (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:02 AM

2. This one probably killed the franchise although it was intended to lead to 2 more sequels,

 

somebody did something wrong. In Kitchen Nightmares some of the owners would blame the public for not recognizing how great their lousy food was, I don't think the problem here is the American and global audience of all races and sexes. This movie failed period.

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Response to braddy (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:08 AM

3. Actually, it saved the franchise from stagnation.

Skynet sending Terminators back in time has been played out. The theme is dead. Generic. Expectable.

But...

As I wrote above, there is now Skynet and Legion. They exist in timelines that cannot come true at the same time. Plus, the humans want NONE of these two timelines to come true.

Possible plots:
- Terminator sent back in time to prevent Legion from being built by killing their lead programmer. Rev sent back in time to protect that programmer.
- Flesh-covered robots can be sent back in time only so far without being damaged. Human sent back in time to kill a person. A damaged Terminator tries to protect them. (The nice part would be that the human killer is the good guy and the protective Terminator is the bad guy.)

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:51 PM

6. It can't save it if it killed it, this was to be the first of a 3 film package, but it flopped.

 

People don't like it.

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Response to braddy (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:14 AM

4. The third one should have killed the franchise

Actually, even the second was completely unnecessary: the first one was fully self-contained and didn't need a sequel.

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Response to Ron Obvious (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:18 AM

5. Disagree completely.

They should have ended it with T2 showing the alternates ending in the future where Judgement Day never happened. Sarah is a grandma and John is a US Senator.

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