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Related: Culture Forums, Support Forums50 years old and still the most impressive, menacing looking plane ever engineered
Damn if it doesn't look right out of STAR WARS
The Blue Flower
(5,433 posts)They took the Blackbird out over the Pacific Ocean, got it up to top speed, and then clocked it from LA to NY. An incredible feat of engineering.
Zorro
(15,722 posts)An amazing record, nevertheless.
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)And, while menacing in appearance, it carried no armament because it flew faster than bullets.
3Hotdogs
(12,323 posts)WW I planes were also shooting themselves down. I believe they were shooting their own propellers.
caraher
(6,278 posts)Some early aces put armor plate on the back of the propellers to deflect bullets, but eventually engineers developed a gearing mechanism that would interrupt the firing of the gun for rounds that would otherwise strike the the blades
caraher
(6,278 posts)ZZenith
(4,115 posts)caraher
(6,278 posts)Bullets fired from a plane as fast as the SR-71 would have been quite deadly - you *add* the muzzle speed to the firing plane's speed. But nothing could catch it. And faster ground-based missiles had impossibly brief intercept windows.
It's pretty common for recon aircraft to be unarmed. The U-2 was much slower, relying on altitude for safety, and was also unarmed. Recon variants of fighters also typically had no weapons; they were stripped down for maximum speed.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I think the Blackbird topped out at a bit over 2000 mph.
MasonDreams
(756 posts)But it would burn up at that speed, too much air friction. 2000-2200mph is Max fast to cruise.
Apollo10 returning from the moon May 26 1969 (fastest humans) reached 24,791mph
The air speed velocity of an unladen sparrow depends on whether it's an African or European swallow.
The fastest level flight bird is a spine tailed swallow over 100mph.
But the periguine falcon can hit 240 mph in a scream of a dive.
GeoWilliam750
(2,521 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Zorro
(15,722 posts)Awesome plane, but for me the most sinister-looking plane is the U-2 (another Kelly Johnson/Lockheed Skunk Works brainchild).
Brother Buzz
(36,374 posts)KISS, baby!
Another KISS airplane on my sinister-looking list is the A-10 Warthog. That is unless you're on the ground and it's supporting you, then it's totally angelic looking
lastlib
(23,149 posts)(not live-fire, of course, or I wouldn't be here!)
I'm driving down a nearly-deserted road that runs along the edge of an Army base, just after sunrise on a Saturday morning, headed to the start of a backpacking weekend, when I hear this scrEAMing sound--and I thought my car was coming apart! I hit the brakes, right in the road, shifted to park, shut off the motor, and opened my door--only to see this Warthog starting to climb out of a dive--I doubt he was 200 feet above me when I first saw him! He climbed to maybe a couple thousand feet before banking off into the sunrise and departing.
I never want to be in the sights of another one!
sarge43
(28,940 posts)Say hello to our little friend.
El Mimbreno
(777 posts)Built around a gatling gun that fires bullets weighted with dead uranium (heavier than lead). Designed for close ground support, pilot sits in a tub of titanium armor and it can be shot to pieces and still fly.
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)at bien Hoa AFB when I was pulling guard duty nearby. Very cool aircraft.
diverdownjt
(701 posts)Christmas eve in a snow storm. I used to work for Integrated Airline Services.
My wife had the job after I left and was coordinating fueling and deicing and working with
the crew. She couldn't get any of her crew to show up, and I wasn't going to let her do it by herself. I was working for one of the big cargo airlines now and still had security clearance.
She couldn't get any of the contractors to come and deice the plane, so I kept calling for her
while transporting the crew out to the plane 3 at a time(13 total). Each guy had 20+bags of
stuff from Walmart(blue jeans,t-shirts,food stuff). No one would take the Captains Russian credit cards or even American cash. Finally I talked Continental into doing it, so when I got the last crew out I told one of them and he said go tell the Captain. This plane tilts it's nose up to load so when it's down for flight the only way up is an extension ladder tied in place. I get up to the cockpit I tell the Captain that I got a taker on the deal for cash. He looks at me and says "I don't need f-ing deice, thank you now get off my plane". I was like" Capt. please don't do this. Heavy snow coming down horizontally. He said Merry Christmas now get off. Now I think I'm about to witness an aviation disaster, but instead I get a lesson from an experienced Pilot who knows his plane and knows what it can do. This guy no doubt has flown his plane Siberia and what not, so this is just spitting in the wind to him. I get back to the van and we watch as they taxi up to the runway and turn north into the wind and punch it. They get up to speed and we can barely see it now, but he pulls up the nose and tons of snow fall off all at once and the Antinov(largest cargo plane in the world) leaps into the air
and disappears on it's way to Baghdad, via JFK, Spain, Egypt.
AllaN01Bear
(17,987 posts)inspecting heat resistance tiles . bb was the only aircraft that could keep up with the shuttle .
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)Mom let me take it home in a pail.
Looks very modern even today...
The Wielding Truth
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(9,637 posts)Thanks for posting it.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)That was fantastic! Great laugh!
blaze
(6,345 posts)Thanks for posting.
SnowCritter
(810 posts)Thanks for sharing!
crickets
(25,951 posts)gibraltar72
(7,498 posts)but that's just me.
Zorro
(15,722 posts)A very menacing sight indeed. I shudder to think about being on the receiving end of one of their bombing missions.
gibraltar72
(7,498 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,584 posts)It was startling, to say the least.
James48
(4,427 posts)A B-52, utilizing ground hugging radar, fly about 200 feet over the top of me, in the dark, in the pouring down rain, in central Germany, at about 5 in the morning, directly down the middle of the US Army base I was stationed at. (Wuerzburg)
We had been out doing morning physical training shortly after 5 a.m., when the Buff snuck up on us and scared the bejeezes out of us!
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Theres a lot of low-level training routes out west of here with a lot of activity. Never had enough interest to camp out under one, but Ive heard of those who do.
Ive been buzzed a couple of times flying VFR through MOAs. I tend to avoid them during the week.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)There are guys flying B-52s today whose grandfathers flew them. And chances are they'll have grandkids fly them.
lpbk2713
(42,736 posts)Sounded like it too.
jpak
(41,756 posts)yup
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)but I'm prejudiced. I used to work on them.
skydive forever
(443 posts)Elgin AFB in Florida. Late 70s.
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)Radar/Fire Control Technician
The Wizard
(12,535 posts)Some F4s were armed with smart bombs and performed as well as the newer jets. The F4 set the standard for fighter jets today. Many pilots preferred them as they were easier to fly.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)I have had a professional scale replica of the SR-71 in my living room for about 25 years. Awesome, awesome plane. I wish they still flew.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Most beautiful plane that ever flew.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I loved seeing her on my daily commute.
Moved inside now:
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)The YF-12 "interceptor" never saw combat. It would have been the most expensive combat plane ever.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)When seen straight on like that. Hardly menacing.
trof
(54,256 posts)I was going into Edwards in an F-84 back in the early 70s.
Approach called and asked if a Blackbird could join up with me.
Well sure.
He slid up on my right wing.
"Hi Speedy 11. I flew those in Korea."
"Small world."
Wish I'd had a camera.
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)rickford66
(5,521 posts)That would let "others" know where it would be flying out of. An engineer I worked with came back with photos and he told me this. Tell me he was wrong, but he had the photos. He was working on the simulator at some site.
brush
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ProudMNDemocrat
(16,722 posts)Very impressive plabe. I have seen tbese on display when at Osh Kosh.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)burrowowl
(17,632 posts)B Stieg
(2,410 posts)I still prefer the A-10 for its sheer ferocity.
The Tanker's Friend.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)As you can only fly straight with very wide turns.
Marcuse
(7,446 posts)[link:http://www.ddmcd.com/books/b58| According to this knowledgeable author it was all due to internal Pentagon politics: the B-52 guys ganged up on the B-58 guys and the B-52 guys won. This was despite analyses and assessments that seemed to show the B-58 to be a superior warfighting system.
As an old Air Force vet, I agree that the B-58 Hustler is the most awesome plane I've ever seen fly.
Zorro
(15,722 posts)My father was stationed at Bunker Hill AFB for 5 years in the early 60s. Beautiful, sleek aircraft, but apparently not easy to handle at low speeds. Seemed there was always a crash or two every year there.
Its mission was to penetrate Soviet air space at Mach 2 and drop a nuclear weapon; there wasn't much room for standard ordnance in the bomb-carrying pod below the airframe, so the B-52 was the better choice for more conventional munitions.
gwyllm
(3 posts)My father was a field engineer for Univac, which supplied the mainframe computers at the base. While my dad worked
there, I spent the 1966-67 school year in High School in Kokomo. Dad was also an Air Force vet from the late 1940s, he's
still going strong at 91.
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Ptah
(33,019 posts)House of Roberts
(5,162 posts)It's in the Space and Rocket Museum parking lot.
MasonDreams
(756 posts)The fun fact that always reset all my circuit breakers is the leaking gas tank. By design every SR-71 , when on the ground, leaks fuel. Why?
The plane flys SO FAST that the friction of the air (thin air @80,000ft up) heats up the plane causing it to become approximately 18 inches longer! The fuel tanks seal up once she gets up to speed !!
Also last time I checked the SR-71's top speed and altitude ceiling was classified information.
When I was a kid there in HSV you could climb into the cockpit of a Mercury capsule, to be inside a spacecraft that had been in orbit!
marybourg
(12,584 posts)he eventually was able to tell me.
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Glaisne
(515 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)That [2,200 mph] top speed meant the average temperature of the plane's skin was upwards of 600 degrees. At that temperature, it couldn't be built with aluminum, so it had to be built with 93 percent titanium and that titanium came from Russia.
The Russians never knew to whom they were selling the titanium, but they sold enough to build 32 SR-71 Blackbirds planes used primarily to spy on the Soviet Union.
source
samnsara
(17,604 posts)randr
(12,409 posts)He told tales and described how they took the plane completely apart for inspection each flight. He was one proud vet.
yonder
(9,657 posts)Badass aircraft.
marble falls
(57,009 posts)lastlib
(23,149 posts)It is one bad-ass machine!
hunter
(38,302 posts)Never said a word about it until he and the plane were long retired.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2019, 07:21 AM - Edit history (2)
... but when Reagan announced it, he called it the SR-71, so they renamed it.
Edit: I have to correct myself. First, it wasn't Reagan; it was LBJ. Second, SR-71 was the correct name -- SR meaning strategic reconnaissance. What happened was, in those days, a stenographer took shorthand notes of presidential speeches, and it was the stenographer who transcribed it as RS-71 all three times that Johnson said SR-71. That version of the speech was handed out to some reporters, and when someone noticed that it said RS-71, an urban legend was born. (I misremembered the president, but I believe I first heard the tale on the old Discovery Channel show Wings.)
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)I think it still holds the record for fastest plane.
The B-2 Spirit is also menacing but enemies wouldn't see it coming at them.
William Seger
(10,775 posts)A few years ago, I literally took a couple thousand pictures there and the main museum on the Mall. The hard drive I had them on crapped out, so now I must go back!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)See any resemblance to the SR-71?
How about this aircraft (coincidently named the Blackbird) flown by the X-men?
This is third iteration of the X-men aircraft:
It's amazing how a 50 year design can still inspire futurists.
LaurenOlimina
(1,165 posts)Ten Years Later...
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applegrove
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one overhead. It was a stealth bomber flying low. I don't recall what my horse thought of it. That was about 26 years ago.
Kablooie
(18,608 posts)In the 1990s it was used by Disney animation.
It now houses Kaiser Permanente business offices.
LaurenOlimina
(1,165 posts)The Soviet Union. Bought from exporters by various shell corporations to hide the ultimate destination.
http://www.mining.com/bbc-future-sr-71-blackbird-the-cold-wars-ultimate-spy-plane-11725/
The airplane is 92% titanium inside and out.
Back when they were building the airplane the United States didnt have the ore supplies an ore called rutile ore. Its a very sandy soil and its only found in very few parts of the world.
The major supplier of the ore was the USSR. Working through Third World countries and bogus operations, they were able to get the rutile ore shipped to the United States to build the SR-71.
Warren_Pointe
(327 posts)were cameras.
roscoeroscoe
(1,369 posts)bluedeathray
(511 posts)And the story goes...