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Yes, English can be weird (Original Post) csziggy Dec 2019 OP
And LakeArenal Dec 2019 #1
And Borchkins Dec 2019 #2
And the lack of consistency in pronouncing words is insane. eom guillaumeb Dec 2019 #3
Some time ago I read an article that said that is because of British regional differences csziggy Dec 2019 #5
Very interesting. guillaumeb Dec 2019 #6
A comedic take on that: Newest Reality Dec 2019 #4
How old is that clip? Its humor is so out of date and horribly sexist...I cringed and turned it off. CTyankee Dec 2019 #8
It is old... Newest Reality Dec 2019 #9
sometimes it's a good idea to review the older clips of "humor" because you run across so much CTyankee Dec 2019 #11
I will note that. Newest Reality Dec 2019 #12
And what about "pretty" LakeArenal Dec 2019 #7
Sort of like fairly Danascot Dec 2019 #13
"Pretty" and "little", twin banes of Harold Ross' existence gratuitous Dec 2019 #14
Ghastly ( ; Sentath Dec 2019 #10

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
5. Some time ago I read an article that said that is because of British regional differences
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:37 PM
Dec 2019

That the people who originally began compiling words with spellings and pronunciation took their examples from different places in England (and probably Scotland and Wales). That meant that "tough" and "cough" came from one area while "through" and "thought" were from another place.

Rather than trying to arrive at a consistent spelling for the different sounds, they "celebrated" the variations in British usage which is now preserved in our widely differing ways to say and spell the same sounds.

I don't have a reference for the article I read this in. It's been decades and I'm not sure it would even be on the internet. Wikipedia has a pretty good article on the variations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#Different_spellings_for_different_pronunciations

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. Very interesting.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:40 PM
Dec 2019

And French does have its inconsistencies as well, partly due to the 2 main branches of the language.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
8. How old is that clip? Its humor is so out of date and horribly sexist...I cringed and turned it off.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 01:23 PM
Dec 2019

Ugh

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
9. It is old...
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 01:32 PM
Dec 2019

So, I guess it is very easy to take it out of context and have that severe a reaction.

I understand. It was not meant to offend you.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
11. sometimes it's a good idea to review the older clips of "humor" because you run across so much
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 01:58 PM
Dec 2019

sexist stuff it's unusable. It isn't "out of context" so much as "replete with" sexism. Like old clips attempting humor with white actors in blackface. There was a time when that was considered "not meant to offend" anyone.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
12. I will note that.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 02:05 PM
Dec 2019

Thanks. Again, I am sorry that it provoked such a reaction for you and I fully respect your viewpoint on that. Your response sets it straight, however.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
7. And what about "pretty"
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:58 PM
Dec 2019

When one says, It’s pretty good. It’s pretty hard. It’s pretty close.

Does that make sense?

Sometimes if you keep saying a word over and over it doesn’t even sound like a word.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
13. Sort of like fairly
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:10 PM
Dec 2019

Fairly close, fairly cold, fairly certain. Maybe because fair and pretty were once synonyms?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. "Pretty" and "little", twin banes of Harold Ross' existence
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:29 PM
Dec 2019

Harold Ross was the editor of New Yorker magazine for decades. He was a man writers loved to hate, even as they improved their prose under his editing. Ross was the one who hounded Dorothy Parker for a casual while she was on her honeymoon in Paris. She finally wired back, "Too fucking busy, and vice versa" before Ross left her alone.

Ross had a real animus to the words "pretty" and "little" often remarking as he read a draft, "There's that damn 'pretty' again!" For Ross, these words just filled space and didn't add to the reader's understanding of what the writer was trying to convey. James Thurber was a writer and cartoonist for the magazine, close friends with Ross, but not immune from his vinegar.

On one occasion, Thurber wrote an architectural review of a new building in Manhattan, deliberately inserting the sentence, "The building is pretty ugly and a little big for its surroundings." After he turned in his copy, Thurber reported that Ross stomped down the hall and stuck his head into Thurber's office and "made a pretty ugly sound."

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