getting a compliant driver's license

[Marthe48]

My friend went to get her license renewed. She has made 3 trips to the license bureau so far and is so disgusted she isn't going back right away.

She gathered her documents per the first list she read. When she got there, she didn't have all of the documents she needed, so she came home, got more documents. She has a state issued copy of her birth certificate (at least $25.00 in Ohio), but she didn't have her social security card, and they wouldn't accept a bank paper with the number on it. I found out when I went to get my passport renewed that the government no longer accepts the hospital certificate, which was fine to use in 1995. I had to shell out $25.00 to increase the coffers of the state and get my passport. That was 2012, so I imagine they've jacked it up since then.

I am posting a link I found buried on the Ohio state gov. page which actually describes the documents you need and what forms will be accepted. I personally think that these hoops are ridiculous. You sure don't have to do this to get a gun, or buy materials that can make drugs or a bomb. But to fly, yep. My friend and I won't be surprised if checkpoints on state borders become a norm. I don't think it is about security, I think it is about controlling the free movement of private citizens. We've lost a lot since the land bridge across the Bering Sea. And I won't even go into how lawless the current regime is and wtf they get away with every single day.

Anyway, here is a link for Ohio. Since this is a federal imposition, probably the same in other states, but you might want to read and make sure you have what you need to get your license renewed. https://www.bmv.ohio.gov/newdl-id/faqs.aspx

[apcalc]

1. I kept at it and got it.

If you go, make sure your name on your SS card agrees with your birth cert.

As is John James Doe. No initials etc.

[Marthe48]

2. Good to know! Thanks!

I've got a passport which I think will cover the bases. But the ss card I carry is the original. I think I got it changed when I got married, but lost that copy sometime in the last 48 years

[apcalc]

3. You can order a replacement online.

It took me three trips! Had to get an SS card which matched my birth cert.

I have a passport, but I figure states will make it a requirement for other stuff before too long.

[Marthe48]

5. There is an SS office in town

I might get a card with my married name on it, jic.

You mean a passport will be required? I can see that happening. And it'll cost a pile, too, I bet.

[getagrip_already]

22. passport is one form of id they accept but not required.....

Its a bunch of bs either way.

[onecaliberal]

4. Another tax on Americans to discriminate against black and brown folks.

[Marthe48]

6. On all of us

My friend and I are both (white) U.S. citizens, born in Ohio, life-long residents. I have never even gotten a traffic ticket. But obeying the law my whole life is utterly meaningless, both for getting and needing excessive ID and setting an example for living in a (formerly) nation of laws.

If it is this hard for us who are so entitled <sarcasm>, it is going to be horrible for some of my friends and relatives.

[onecaliberal]

8. This is another obstacle for voters.

[Joinfortmill]

7. Yup.

2020 election will tell if we remain a democracy.

[benld74]

9. Everyone all over having similar issues

Mine good until 09/2021
God only knows the requirements then,, nt

[blueinredohio]

10. When I sent for my birth certificate in Virginia

I got a small card the size of a driver's license and I don't remember if it was plastic or metal. It had my name, birthday and place of birth.

[kimbutgar]

11. I'm just going to use my passport

When millions of people start getting denied to fly I see the airlines pushing back and increase in train and bus travel.

[getagrip_already]

23. until they start screening interstate train and bus passengers........

That is the next logical step.

[lunatica]

12. New Mexico does that now - called REAL ID

Homeland Security site:

https://www.dhs.gov/archive/secure-drivers-licenses

Secure Driver's Licenses
Preventing terrorists from obtaining state-issued identification documents is critical to securing America against terrorism. As the 9/11 Commission noted, "For terrorists, travel documents are as important as weapons." The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, at 384 (2004).

Secure driver's licenses and identification documents are a vital component of a holistic national security strategy. Law enforcement must be able to rely on government-issued identification documents and know that the bearer of such a document is who he or she claims to be. REAL ID is a coordinated effort by the states and the Federal Government to improve the reliability and accuracy of state-issued identification documents, which should inhibit terrorists’ ability to evade detection by using fraudulent identification.

The 9/11 Commission recommended that the Federal Government work with other layers of government to solidify the security of government-issued documents. Securing state-issued identification documents is a common-sense national security and law enforcement imperative, which also helps to combat identity fraud and illegal immigration.

[Marthe48]

18. I imagine any determined terrorist

has already figured out how to avoid this hassle and get id that will get him where he wants to go. Honest citizens are the ones who will hit roadblocks and snags and in some cases give up getting a compliant license and maybe give up their chance to vote.

[Ghost Dog]

26. So, and this is a straight question, would a Chinese-style "social credit"

system, covering everyone, so authorities get a more accurate handle on who's who, be more reasonable?

[MissB]

13. Our governor flat out told people last week that we should get passports

Our DMV won’t be able to start issuing the licenses until July; you must have one to travel in October. Our state simply doesn’t have the capacity to issue everyone the new licenses in that short time frame.

Fortunately my Dh and I (and kids) all have updated passports. We will wait until 2021 to get new licenses.

[Marthe48]

17. Guess we can always drive?

Or will that privilege go by the board?

I don't have to worry until 2021.

[getagrip_already]

24. it depends....

What happens when out of state police won't accept a non-realid dl as proof of identity?

Can they detain people to determine identity and citizenship?

[Marthe48]

25. I heard more reports of people being stopped

and police won't accept their Id as real. A teenager was stopped and jailed for days. He is an American citizen, Hispanic, had legal, valid ID and yet, the police held him. I'm glad he wasn't murdered.

And I've seen reports of other American citizens being stopped and hassled about their ID. We're all going to get hassled. The last 2 times I've flown, I was pulled out of line, once for a random baggage check, and once to check for explosive residue on my hands. I have a bright red birthmark on the palm of one hand, so maybe the dicks saw that. I don't feel like I fit any profile, except cookie baker.

The last trip, when I got home, when I opened my checked bag, it had been opened and searched. Those dicks left a note that they had the right to open and search, and if my luggage was locked, they had the right to cut the lock and look. I had an angel food cake and a bottle of wine in the bag. The way they repacked, the wine had crushed the cake. I really resent the hell out of the intrusion. Although, it gives me a sense of what minorities go through.

[getagrip_already]

28. Those experiences sound normal.....

I travel a lot for work, and I've had random patdowns, hand checks, and bag exams. I have global entry, always fly pre-check, and don't have any profiling indicators.

Yet, I still get checked.

But the police are a different story. I can see them holding people for little or no cause just because they can.

I wonder how long it will be before they start issuing "admin" fees for arrests and accomadation fees for detainment.

[UTUSN]

14. K&R - we owe it to Shrub, Colon POWELL, & Condoleezia RICE

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[csziggy]

15. I've written about getting my Real ID complaint driver's license

I had three versions of my birth certificate (from the 1950s, 1970, and 2012), the hospital certificate with my little baby footprints, proof of residency, my original Social Security card, and I forget what else.

Everything went fine until I pulled out my original SS card that was issued in the mid 1950s. The clerk had never seen one of that vintage and didn't think it was real. I still have the card that that one was torn from, with another copy still attached. The clerk was telling me I'd have to apply for a replacement, which I strenuously objected to. Finally an older clerk came over and approved my SS card as authentic.

If I'd changed my name when I married, I would have had to had a copy of my marriage certificate - if married more than once, a copy of each marriage certificate is required.

Since a Real ID is now becoming a requirement for voting, this is effectively a poll tax and a deterrent for voting.

For instance, when in her late 80s Mom had to provide all that proof but she needed a certified birth certificate. When Alabama digitized their old records, they made a mistake on hers and entered the date her birth was registered and not the actual birth date. It took nearly two years for her to get this corrected and to get her renewed driver's license.

It helped that her original Social Security application and that the records of her service as a Navy Nurse both showed her correct birth date, both entered long before Alabama screwed up their digitizing. If my sister had not been diligent on behalf of Mom, she would have let it go since she seldom drove - both it would have cost her the right to vote. As a DAR member, past poll worker, and a supporter of voting rights, Mom would have missed that right that she exercised from when she was first eligible in 1942.

[Marthe48]

16. Your Mom's situation illustrates that it is more than security against terrorists

We needed a certified birth certificate for my mother-in-law. When it came, her maiden name was misspelled. My husband checked birth records online and sure enough, it was misspelled from when she was born. He teased her about it. She wasn't going to drive or vote by that time, so it wasn't as big a deal as with your Mom, but why do people like your Mom have to take on the burden of clerical errors, when so much is at stake?

My friend will have to get a new SS card. We are both in our 60's and some people just don't hang on to or keep track of the paperwork of a lifetime. I am very impressed with your record-keeping, btw.

I am grateful that I was visiting when my friend was undertaking this. I'll be sure to have everything I need in perfect order. Which I refuse to believe is necessary or helpful.

[csziggy]

19. I'm lucky - my famiolly keeps everything

That is why I'm adding onto my house. I need space to store all the family odds and ends.

Sometime after I had my own house Mom gave me a folder with all my stuff - birth certificate, hospital certificate, SS card stuff, vacation Bible school, kindergarten graduation certificate, and on and on.

A few years later, my husband's Mom gave him a similar folder with his stuff. There is a reason we get along!

[mr_lebowski]

32. Where did you read/hear this?

"Since a Real ID is now becoming a requirement for voting, this is effectively a poll tax and a deterrent for voting"

What state's is that the case (or becoming the case)?

I know about VoterID laws of course but hadn't read of any requiring an official, federal-compliant RealID.

Though I speculated it was likely the Puke-run states would start agitating for it in a post a couple months ago.

[Baked Potato]

20. If you are married, you may also need a certified copy of your marriage certificate

You’ll need it if your current last name is different than on your birth certificate. This requirement is if the spouse changed the last name from marriage.

[yellowdogintexas]

21. All I did to get the new Texas one was renew my license

No documents, or anything,just my old license
And I have the little gold star on the corner which is the verification.

I would have been OK since I have birth certificate and passport and my original SS card. but still.. I just didn't have to jump through any hoops except I had to go home and switch from contacts to glasses because my eyes were blurred (allergies) to pass the vision test


Interesting indeed. It does say that you can get the standard card without all that hassle if you don't fly or that if you have a passport...

[mr_lebowski]

29. Did you maybe present your birth cert when you originally got your license in TX?

I cannot imagine that a state is just handing them out w/o meeting the minimum federal req's.

And I'm about 95% sure showing an official a BC at some point in your life is indeed a req.

[Runningdawg]

27. Can't get one in OK - they have decided not to comply with the "mark of the beast"

[Ohiogal]

30. Going off on a tangent, here,

The New York Times recently printed an article about all the ridiculous paperwork that poor people need to present when they apply for Medicaid, food stamps, and the like. For many low income folks, that means they have to take a day off from work and negotiate a bus schedule to go to various locations and round up all this paperwork and I’m sure the fees are a challenge when you can’t even buy your food for the week. And it has to be exact, or they are denied the help. Also, many poor people move around a lot, and it’s extremely challenging to keep track of all this stuff every time you move, or end up in a shelter, etc. as Stephanie Land said in her book “Maid”, ... “it’s so exhausting having to prove over and over again that you are poor.” I agree, if those of us who can drive and can afford the fees to round up all this paperwork find it such an onerous burden, imagine if you have frequent changes of address and are poor and don’t own a car. It’s almost as if the federal agencies impose this onto poor folks just so they’ll give up, which I’m sure a lot of them do. And, in the case of Medicaid, some states will cut off your medical care for 6 months if you miss a deadline in returning complicated forms or providing needed documents. Then they make you apply for it all over again. Really an eye opener.

[mr_lebowski]

31. I have everything on the way ...

Passport Book & Card, and state RealID.

Just a note ... it actually may be simpler for some to get a US Passport Card because those will be accepted like a RealID for flying, but does NOT require showing your SS Card, just certified Birth Cert and a valid state ID.

It costs a bit more (30 for the feds and whatever your acceptance office charges, I think in my state that was 35 at the PO. Also, either bring your checkbook or get yourself a money order for the $30 for the feds, they don't take CC for that part) but like I say, no SS card needed.

Application is pretty long, def. easier to download and fill in a PDF version using your computer and print it vs standing at the Passport office filling out the long ass, fill in the boxes type of form.