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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:02 PM Feb 2020

Once again I learned not to underestimate the strength of the human mind. Yesterday I spent a

lot of time looking for a book. It finally occurred to me that I was using the wrong search term since I
didn't remember the books title or author. So I kept on thinking about it and finally in the wee hours this morning it came to me. I entered the proper title reference and voila! as the French say, up popped
references to the book and the movie and it just goes to show that the saying
"garbage in, garbage out"/GIGO is an accurate one. It's good to feast on victory after a miserable meal
of defeat. Take hope, fellow travelers, and avoid wondering why the soup tastes like socks.

Oh...the book/film title is The Liberation of Lord Byron Jones, a book I used to have, enjoyed and can now enjoy again.

Everything you didn't want to know about GIGO can be found at the link...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_in,_garbage_out

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Once again I learned not to underestimate the strength of the human mind. Yesterday I spent a (Original Post) abqtommy Feb 2020 OP
I think of it like I have a librarian who has to go back and wade through the stacks ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #1
The quickest way to remember something is to not think about it. Merlot Feb 2020 #2
They used to call that... Newest Reality Feb 2020 #3
It drives my husband crazy csziggy Feb 2020 #7
I hear ya' Newest Reality Feb 2020 #8
My brain has always worked this way csziggy Feb 2020 #10
Oh, yes... Newest Reality Feb 2020 #12
Mine is usually 2 am or so... Phentex Feb 2020 #17
can't remember a name or an author or even a word ? dweller Feb 2020 #4
I kinda remembered the general structure of the title at first but not the right words. abqtommy Feb 2020 #5
I thought I was the only one who used wnylib Feb 2020 #9
it's never failed me dweller Feb 2020 #11
I was trying to remember a name wnylib Feb 2020 #15
For at least two decades, I have had an eye out lastlib Feb 2020 #6
Something slightly similar happened to me, too, yesterday DFW Feb 2020 #13
I was once house sitting. I went outside for a smoke and locked me applegrove Feb 2020 #14
I think about the subject and then go through the alphabet in my mind. LawnKorn Feb 2020 #16
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. I think of it like I have a librarian who has to go back and wade through the stacks ...
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:10 PM
Feb 2020

Almost everything I struggle to recall on the spot, if I say to myself ... I'm going to let this go for now, and let my librarian go get me the info I need ... and almost every time I do that ... sometime in the next 12-24 hours ... BAM. I remember.

It's a trip, man ...

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
3. They used to call that...
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:15 PM
Feb 2020

They used to call that "incubation" in some circles a while back.

Basically, you just let it go after giving it some thought, and it pops up and out later, like you said. When I am talking with people who get tripped up about remembering something they can't seem to come up with, I usually say it will come to you, while we continue the conversation, and it usually does. I try to keep that in mind myself.

In a humorous way, I picture a person with a basket, like an Amazon picker, running up and down isles looking for it while I wait. "Here is its!" Pop! However, it can come late sometimes, like the next day or even in a week.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
7. It drives my husband crazy
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:13 AM
Feb 2020

I won't be able to think of something then hours or even days later it pops into my mind and I'll say "Lord Byron" (or the equivalent totally non-relevant to the conversation name). By then he's forgotten the original discussion and can't figure out why I've said this non-sequitur.

The other thing that bugs him is that I will ask him to remember something. He knows he won't - but if I do that, I often WILL remember when I need to. The workings of my brain are strange and mysterious.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
8. I hear ya'
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:29 AM
Feb 2020

That's why I brought that up.

Getting older now, (ancient?) and it happens more frequently for me. So, knowing that, it doesn't bother me as much, because it can be a bit frustrating, so you can put it off that way

Also, just as an aside, I have polled friends and it seems that the nouns go first. Something like: You know, that movie with that guy who took a trip to see the girl, ah she was is in... Ah, the one that was in that other movie with the...

It gets funny dancing around for nouns. Sometimes it works well, other times it is bit of a verbal train wreck, especially if the other person isn't clicking on the cues, either.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
10. My brain has always worked this way
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:44 AM
Feb 2020

But it got worse after the fourth concussion. Now, twenty years after that, as I am getting older, it has gotten much worse. And fourteen major operations in twenty years leaves a lot of holes in my memory. I try to work up coping mechanisms but the normal memory assist things have never worked for me.

You know, the ones where you create an acronym to help you remember? If I could remember the acronym, I could remember what it is I need to remember!

Expression Mnemonics or Acronyms

You have probably come across this method in school. You create an acronym of the different things that you wish to remember.

If you have taken music lessons, you would remember EGBDF (the treble clef) with the acronym, “Every Good Boy Does Fine.”

Another common expression mnemonic you might remember from your school days is HOMES – for the Great Lakes (Huron, Ontario, Michigan, Erie and Superior).
https://www.magneticmemorymethod.com/how-to-remember-things/

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
12. Oh, yes...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:02 AM
Feb 2020

Sorry to hear about the head trauma. I have had a couple, but not as bad.

Those are also called hooks or pegs. Those people who do memorizing as an show, (like remembering lots of people's names they just met) use them. Same idea. The way I learned it was like: 1. Bun. 2. Shoe 3. Tree, etc. They you picture, say, the bun with what you want to remember on it like a name, person, thing, etc.

I will check out the link.

Good stuff. Thanks...for the memories!

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
17. Mine is usually 2 am or so...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:01 PM
Feb 2020

I don't know if that's the point when my brain has finally settled and opens up to remembering whatever it was I tried to retrieve during the day. Often, I give up trying to find something or remember something and I just tell myself to wait till it hits me at 2 am!

dweller

(23,632 posts)
4. can't remember a name or an author or even a word ?
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:54 PM
Feb 2020

i slowly mentally recite the alphabet and usually by round 2
it literally pops into my head at letter it begins with ... pretty foolproof

i hope i never forget this mental clue 🤔

✌🏼

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
5. I kinda remembered the general structure of the title at first but not the right words.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:00 PM
Feb 2020

Next time I'll DU mail you for some help!

dweller

(23,632 posts)
11. it's never failed me
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020

and usually 2 rounds will work to recall, i'm sure there has been a time i was headed to a third round, but i've paused for a bit ... contemplating another round and ...pop... it came to me as i started ..
today i saw a face on Law and Order that i didn't know, but i did, just not in relation to the series... i knew i'd seen him in a movie, and knew he was an entertainer but not one i followed for whatever reason... at H going on J it popped Harry Jr and Connick filled in within moments 🤔

✌🏼

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
15. I was trying to remember a name
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:02 AM
Feb 2020

one time while talking to a woman I had just met. I said, "Give me a minute. It will come to me." I mentally went through the alphabet and popped up with it on the second try. She had been watching me during this process and said it looked like I was making a specific effort. Wanted to know how I did it, so I told her. She was surprised that the first letter of a word could work that well.

It's not just the letter, of course. It's also the context and other things about the word that are on my mind. The letter serves as a fine tuner to the specific word related to the context. At least that is how I think it works for me. The letter opens up a specific mental file folder for the general context.

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
6. For at least two decades, I have had an eye out
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:38 PM
Feb 2020

.... for an old chess book that I used to get from my local library. I had checked it out numerous times as a kid, but the library had tossed it probably thirty-plus years ago. But for the life of me, I could NOT recall now either the author OR the title! I could only remember two or three articles in it. I tried searching for those on Google, hoping it would dredge up the title--no luck.

Then, several weeks ago, I got on eBay, and searched for "vintage chess books hardcover" (the book I was looking for was hardcover), and yes, there were thousands of them, made a wild guess on the price range (that culled the list by a fair amount), and just started browsing thru the listings. Several pages down, I saw one with a dust jacket that looked vaguely familiar, and had a title that kind of fit what I thought I was after. So I clicked it, read the description, and then recognized the title AND the author! I had finally found it!! That was part of my Christmas present for myself!

Yes, the mind DOES work in mysterious ways!

DFW

(54,372 posts)
13. Something slightly similar happened to me, too, yesterday
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:40 AM
Feb 2020

A friend asked me to authenticate and attribute something I had never seen before: a medieval gold coin with an winged figure slaying a dragon, a design usually seen on gold coins from 15th century and 16th century England.

My job usually involves (among other things) spotting fakes of 19th and 20th century American money--this was WAY out of my league. It was a so-called "angel," in case anyone else knows about this stuff. Only, instead of the usual name of Henry VIII, or some other contemporary English monarch, the legend on the front only had some kind of Latin version of "Saint Michael (the dragon slayer)," and there was no "E" for Edward or "H" for Henry above the ship on the reverse side. Instead, there was M and B. A Dutch colleague with me, said, "oh, of course, that would be Margaretha van Brederode." Brederode being a bishopric in the area of Thorn (the Dutch one, not the Polish one) in the mid 16th century (of course).

I did know that in the 16th century the Netherlands did make imitations of other countries' coins to circulate, especially Spanish and English coins, but I had never heard of Margaretha van Brederode before (ignorant American that I am--how could I NOT have heard of Margaretha van Brederode?). This being Europe, they talk about the 16th century as if it were the day before yesterday.

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
14. I was once house sitting. I went outside for a smoke and locked me
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:54 AM
Feb 2020

and the dog out. I did not want to break a window at night to get in so i slept in a shed attached to the back of the house. There was a separate single car garage just like my grandmother used to have. Granny kept an extra key in her garage. .....


????? So i opened the garage i was housesitting at and felt along the same wall as where my grandmothet kept her extra key in her garage. Sure enough there was a key there. About 5 feet from where i hoped to find it. It worked. Dog and i got back in.

Funny thing is the homeowner got back from holiday and i told her i found the key and she had no idea it was there. Previous owners had put it there i don't know how long ago.

Thanks granny.

LawnKorn

(1,137 posts)
16. I think about the subject and then go through the alphabet in my mind.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:12 AM
Feb 2020

I try and associate the first word with the letter.

A? no, that's not it.

B? no, that's not it either.

About the time I get to 'S or 'T', I remember the first word started with 'D'.

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