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cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:06 PM Feb 2020

Words and usages I am sick and tired of

1. Sick and tired

2. Each and every, when "each" will do, which is imo all the time

3. "Simplistic," "enormity," and "toothsome" when what is meant is simple, enormousness, and delicious. These words do not mean what many people believe they mean. We've already lose "eke;" let's not let the barbarians take over any more useful words.

4. "I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Hillary." Self-explanatory.

5. There's another word like simplistic that I can't recall right now due to senility. ETA "Noisome" when what is meant is really loud.

Are you sick and tired of any words or usages? Can we compile a dictionary or grammar guide (like that hasn't been done already, and look how much that has helped)?

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Words and usages I am sick and tired of (Original Post) cyclonefence Feb 2020 OP
"Needless to say..." Mister Ed Feb 2020 #1
Exactly cyclonefence Feb 2020 #3
I have a client that uses "long story short" way too often. progressoid Feb 2020 #30
"Oh, why don't you just tell me the long story?" cyclonefence Feb 2020 #33
Ugh! Just get to the point already! smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #125
The phrase "...things of that nature" is an irritant to me. brush Feb 2020 #135
Using "literally" to mean "not literally". Mister Ed Feb 2020 #2
Come sit by me. cyclonefence Feb 2020 #4
Hopefully, someday, people will learn how to begin sentences without the word "Hopefully"! lastlib Feb 2020 #139
I think hopefully that misuse of "hopefully" is finally on the decline cyclonefence Feb 2020 #148
"Awesome" is almost as bad. murielm99 Feb 2020 #154
Worse than those is something I see a LOT in DU thread titles: SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #186
"meme" First Speaker Feb 2020 #5
My husband asked me what a "meme" was, cyclonefence Feb 2020 #15
You can thank evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins for "meme." progressoid Feb 2020 #34
"Could care less" leftieNanner Feb 2020 #6
Grooaaaannnn cyclonefence Feb 2020 #10
Butt Naked-- Evergreen Emerald Feb 2020 #91
Yeah but butt nekid is too good not to use Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #171
A great humorist that wrote for the Atlanta Journal back in the 80s and early 90s SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #187
Or "The clerk gave Steve and I our tickets." Nt spooky3 Feb 2020 #109
Corallary: between you and I wnylib Feb 2020 #174
Wholeheartedly agree about "could care less" sammythecat Feb 2020 #163
I grew up handmade34 Feb 2020 #7
Not to be flip cyclonefence Feb 2020 #16
I appreciate the humor handmade34 Feb 2020 #25
Saying now at the end of "any day now" Srkdqltr Feb 2020 #8
How about "still yet"? cyclonefence Feb 2020 #12
"At the end of the day"--nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #59
+1 "At the end of the day" CloudWatcher Feb 2020 #172
"Also, too and furthermore..." Lefta Dissenter Feb 2020 #129
"Gift" as a verb. Ugh. nt MANative Feb 2020 #9
Oh, there's a spreading insanity for making verbs cyclonefence Feb 2020 #13
Yup. Annoying!! MANative Feb 2020 #17
And, conversely, using verbs as nouns! Mister Ed Feb 2020 #24
"My ask to the team is...". cyclonefence Feb 2020 #35
I'll say it: Pooped in his shoe? yonder Feb 2020 #60
Agreed on the verb thing, although I've rather taken to Mme. Defarge Feb 2020 #20
Thank you! "Hate" is a verb! "Hatred" is a noun. n/t Mister Ed Feb 2020 #26
Criminals gotta crime. cyclonefence Feb 2020 #37
Gift can be used as a verb Cornus Feb 2020 #130
Mine are recent .... CatMor Feb 2020 #11
Fortunately cyclonefence Feb 2020 #14
On its deathbed, where it belongs along with "touch base" yonder Feb 2020 #69
And the third Stooge, cyclonefence Feb 2020 #70
Beginning ANY sentence with "So,.... and some people pronounce it "Sho,...... northoftheborder Feb 2020 #18
Yes! cyclonefence Feb 2020 #21
And for post titles: SCantiGOP Feb 2020 #19
And I certainly would never reply to one cyclonefence Feb 2020 #22
What about silent threads? Phentex Feb 2020 #79
I've never clicked on a silent thread cyclonefence Feb 2020 #99
They are used as a message board form wnylib Feb 2020 #175
Or "BOOM" llmart Feb 2020 #97
"Impactful" makes me grit my teeth. 3catwoman3 Feb 2020 #23
That comes from a lifetime of being chided for using 'me' instead of 'I' ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #43
Some folks feel instinctively that "me" is incorrect, cyclonefence Feb 2020 #48
I nominate signage discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2020 #27
And where did "reportage" come from? cyclonefence Feb 2020 #38
Noisome doesn't mean what you think it means The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #28
People who use 'anymore' like a synonym of 'nowadays' instead of the proper synonym which is mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #29
"Begs the question" cyclonefence Feb 2020 #39
Here's a good explanation ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #41
Thank you cyclonefence Feb 2020 #44
You don't have to understand the definition of 'begs', just that the phrase 'begging the question' mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #47
Well, yeah cyclonefence Feb 2020 #49
Ah ... well it's immaterial really ... we're on the same page :) mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #52
synecdoche cyclonefence Feb 2020 #54
Good Word! mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #55
Synechdoche. nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #61
irregardless Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #31
Grandpappy of them all cyclonefence Feb 2020 #40
"That's fair". LisaM Feb 2020 #32
Yeah--if it's "fair," cyclonefence Feb 2020 #45
Someone feels badly, when they mean bad. Croney Feb 2020 #36
Yes yes yes yes cyclonefence Feb 2020 #42
Bro, bru, stan, hot minute... Phentex Feb 2020 #46
Man, you must be really *old*... cyclonefence Feb 2020 #51
It's "bye, Felicia" Alpeduez21 Feb 2020 #92
I rest my case, your honor. cyclonefence Feb 2020 #100
I love this thread! Phentex Feb 2020 #116
I "reached out to her" rather than "I called her." Nt spooky3 Feb 2020 #106
What's the name of that has been Governor of Alaska? defacto7 Feb 2020 #50
I know who you mean, cyclonefence Feb 2020 #53
It all depends on the inherent simplicity defacto7 Feb 2020 #57
I'll spill: Parasailin' yonder Feb 2020 #65
"Each and every" is a pet peeve for me, as is "on a daily basis" rather than just "daily." nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #56
Are you old enough to still get hives from cyclonefence Feb 2020 #63
Oh, yes! nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #67
Ugh! nt sammythecat Feb 2020 #164
"The point being. . . ." nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #58
Epic GeorgeGist Feb 2020 #62
As in cyclonefence Feb 2020 #64
price point BigMin28 Feb 2020 #66
On TV shows cyclonefence Feb 2020 #68
Robust. just bugs me. /nt IcyPeas Feb 2020 #71
Unless you're talking about Theodore Roosevelt, of course cyclonefence Feb 2020 #72
Look look. See Spot run. Funny funny Spot. defacto7 Feb 2020 #73
Yep, I do know what you mean. Mersky Feb 2020 #87
Utilize instead of use. Nt hack89 Feb 2020 #74
I would welcome some criticism Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #75
LOL! 2naSalit Feb 2020 #170
"Awesome" Siwsan Feb 2020 #76
Really? Everything? Alpeduez21 Feb 2020 #93
Inappropriate mis and overuse has completely robbed the word of it's meaning. Siwsan Feb 2020 #96
"Really? Everything?" sammythecat Feb 2020 #165
*grow up* we're grown ass ppl already. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #77
It is what it is. Ohiya Feb 2020 #78
When, in point of fact, "It is what it ISN'T." (nt) Paladin Feb 2020 #156
Meh, I'll pass. Mersky Feb 2020 #80
"So Fun" to me is like fingernails on a blackboard mitch96 Feb 2020 #81
"Moving forward..." happybird Feb 2020 #82
That one has bugged me for years skypilot Feb 2020 #85
I once saw a printed sign in a ladies room stall happybird Feb 2020 #113
Improper and excessive use of the words "absolutely" and "awesome". KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2020 #83
... happybird Feb 2020 #114
Not a perfectionist over linguistics but the reason those bother me is.... KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2020 #136
Absolutely!! Awesome post!! dchill Feb 2020 #131
"Fiscally conservative and socially liberal." ArtTownsend Feb 2020 #84
"On a case-by-case basis" instead of "case by case"... RobertDevereaux Feb 2020 #86
"Let's Unpack This" jayfish Feb 2020 #88
Stunning. Unprecedented. Jaw Dropping. Chilling JDC Feb 2020 #89
Words *literally* fail. cyclonefence Feb 2020 #101
"Reach out to" instead of "contact" The Genealogist Feb 2020 #90
I don't even like "contact" cyclonefence Feb 2020 #104
Loan instead of lend; Disaffected Feb 2020 #94
"Words and usages I am sick and tired of" Disaffected Feb 2020 #95
You think that's bad? llmart Feb 2020 #98
That's beyond bad, Disaffected Feb 2020 #123
How do you stand on "snuck?" cyclonefence Feb 2020 #105
I'm kinda Disaffected Feb 2020 #124
The use of "disinterested" when "uninterested" is meant Glorfindel Feb 2020 #102
"Disinterested" and "fortuitous" belong with cyclonefence Feb 2020 #107
"Awesome." The word has lost its meaning. Nt spooky3 Feb 2020 #103
Another useful word bites the dust. cyclonefence Feb 2020 #108
Sorry; I overlooked someone else's posting this! Nt spooky3 Feb 2020 #111
Noisome means smelly n/t wryter2000 Feb 2020 #110
"absolute" when it isn't. "Did our doctor (hospital) give you absolutely the best care?" NCjack Feb 2020 #112
Iconic happybird Feb 2020 #115
Let's unpack this. ploppy Feb 2020 #117
Unpack, as in examining a complex issue. kairos12 Feb 2020 #118
That word is like the corona virus cyclonefence Feb 2020 #121
"Inflection point." The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #119
I've never used the term, but cyclonefence Feb 2020 #120
All of these! MuseRider Feb 2020 #122
The truth of the matter is..... The fact is...... Prue Feb 2020 #126
"Net-net" smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #127
"To be perfectly honest..." dchill Feb 2020 #128
One would hope so, but as Emerson cyclonefence Feb 2020 #138
"Those are sold by the each" TDale313 Feb 2020 #132
I've never encountered this one cyclonefence Feb 2020 #140
I don't know. I think it might actually be fairly new. TDale313 Feb 2020 #141
God help us cyclonefence Feb 2020 #149
"I know, right?" Ponietz Feb 2020 #133
IKR cyclonefence Feb 2020 #143
Curated and artisanal. Golden Raisin Feb 2020 #134
I know what "no problem" means, at least cyclonefence Feb 2020 #144
My dad would freak every time I said, "I can't get used of it." Baitball Blogger Feb 2020 #137
"can't get used of it" cyclonefence Feb 2020 #145
All about and Passionate Apollo Zeus Feb 2020 #142
Welcome to DU cyclonefence Feb 2020 #146
All of these pale in comparison to some of the expressions I read about today GoneOffShore Feb 2020 #147
"Can you parallel-path this?" cyclonefence Feb 2020 #150
The expressions have been leaking over for years. And I fear that it's only going to get worse. GoneOffShore Feb 2020 #155
I like reading what people have to say in their own speech pattern defacto7 Feb 2020 #151
I'm interested in the kinds of things that drive us buggy cyclonefence Feb 2020 #157
Well, this grouchy old crank appreciates your comment. defacto7 Feb 2020 #159
I hear one word that I didn't see in the posts...that I kind of cringe... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #152
Not a hep cat, eh? cyclonefence Feb 2020 #158
I suspect that it is older folks using 'seriously, man' or 'in all seriousness', but that was 30 ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #160
"What the hell is wrong with your penis"? LuckyCharms Feb 2020 #153
😂 Duppers Feb 2020 #162
I hear ya sammythecat Feb 2020 #166
*snort* smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #168
"Preventative" or any "-tative" when "-tive" is the word. MH1 Feb 2020 #161
Yes cyclonefence Feb 2020 #169
Where do I begin? Niagara Feb 2020 #167
"To tell the truth ..." CloudWatcher Feb 2020 #173
Uh-oh. I know that I am guilty of some of wnylib Feb 2020 #176
Me too cyclonefence Feb 2020 #178
I have the same doubt sbout myself. wnylib Feb 2020 #180
"Make America great again." Buckeye_Democrat Feb 2020 #177
Reporters and anchors who use the phrases... Tripper11 Feb 2020 #179
If someone wants me to ignore their post DFW Feb 2020 #181
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #182
The word "So". since when did that word become a unit of measure? Hotler Mar 2020 #183
Grammar Doc_Technical Mar 2020 #184
"strategery" Bless W's heart lillypaddle Mar 2020 #185
cyclonefence, you need to change your post title SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #188
The "same exact thing" murielm99 Mar 2020 #189

lastlib

(28,268 posts)
139. Hopefully, someday, people will learn how to begin sentences without the word "Hopefully"!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:36 AM
Feb 2020


cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
148. I think hopefully that misuse of "hopefully" is finally on the decline
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:27 PM
Feb 2020

But then I always was a dreamer.

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
154. "Awesome" is almost as bad.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:05 PM
Feb 2020

I think it is overused. Few things are awesome. Singers are not awesome. Fashion choices are not awesome.

If trite, silly things inspire awe, then the inspired person needs to get out more.

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
186. Worse than those is something I see a LOT in DU thread titles:
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 02:48 PM
Mar 2020

Starting a post with: "So, etc etc" as in "So, when will Trump...."
A real pet peeve of mine.

Also hate to see the non-info titles, such as "Boom!" or "I'm just going to leave this right here."

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
5. "meme"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020

...the word is meaningless. It says nothing that "idea" doesn't. Reeks of pomposity and self-importance. To Semantic Hell with it!

progressoid

(53,179 posts)
34. You can thank evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins for "meme."
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020

From his 1976 book, The Selfish Gene:

We need a name for the new replicator, a noun that conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation. ‘Mimeme’ comes from a suitable Greek root, but I want a monosyllable that sounds a bit like ‘gene’. I hope my classicist friends will forgive me if I abbreviate mimeme to meme. If it is any consolation, it could alternatively be thought of as being related to ‘memory’, or to the French word même. It should be pronounced to rhyme with ‘cream’.


Dawkins was hoping that the word would be used as a unit of human cultural transmission, such as a melody, fashion, or catch-phrase, with the idea evolving as it spreads and time passes. This evolution is primarily spurred by the fact that people refine the memes or simply don’t “copy” the information exactly when they transmit it to another human.

leftieNanner

(16,159 posts)
6. "Could care less"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020

Instead of "Could NOT care less"

Drive me crazy.

Also "Me and Steve are going to the movies" instead of "Steve and I are going to the movies."

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
10. Grooaaaannnn
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:28 PM
Feb 2020

I forgot about "could care less." My father, a newspaper editor, couldn't help himself. Any time (*not* "anytime" dammit) someone used this phrase in his presence, he was compelled to make the person understand that what was said was exactly the opposite of what was meant. People avoided my father at cocktail parties.

I wonder if this careless use of words that mean the opposite of what the speaker (or writer, more's the pity) (add "more's the pity" to my cringe list) is how we got to pairings like "cleave" and "let," both of which have two meanings which are the opposite of each other.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
171. Yeah but butt nekid is too good not to use
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:05 AM
Feb 2020

I had a friend who left us know he liked a movie because it had plenty of nekidtivity in it. It slipped out and he knew how wrong that was, but we all laughed at how well it fit.

You know the saying:

“When the legend becomes fact, print the legend”

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
187. A great humorist that wrote for the Atlanta Journal back in the 80s and early 90s
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

explained the two terms: "Naked means you ain't got no clothes on. Nekkid means you ain't got no clothes on and you're fixin' to do something."

Unfortunately, he drank, smoke and partied himself to death before he was 50. Survived about 4 heart attacks and didn't really change his behavior until one of them got him.

sammythecat

(3,597 posts)
163. Wholeheartedly agree about "could care less"
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:15 AM
Feb 2020

It seems we're on the losing side here. It's rare now that I see "couldn't care less". Isn't the difference just fucking obvious!? I mean, what the hell, how do people miss this? Weren't words and language a big evolutionary advance? Are we going back to using grunts and sounds to communicate?

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
16. Not to be flip
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:37 PM
Feb 2020

but growing up with a parent who used such phrases all the time constitutes its own form of abuse. But to have a genuinely abusive parent who did this is intolerable. I'm sorry.

Srkdqltr

(9,760 posts)
8. Saying now at the end of "any day now"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:25 PM
Feb 2020

Or at the end of any phrase.
Also, on a daily (weekly etc.) basis. Do we need the word basis there?
A woman I worked with would say "also too"

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
12. How about "still yet"?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:29 PM
Feb 2020

I think "basis" is an innocent bystander (but let's add "innocent bystander&quot .

CloudWatcher

(2,127 posts)
172. +1 "At the end of the day"
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:15 AM
Feb 2020

Yes! It seems to be a favorite of the most clueless of pundits.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,703 posts)
129. "Also, too and furthermore..."
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:46 PM
Feb 2020

That’s actually a family favorite. 😆 Of course, my sister and I can be a little goofy.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
13. Oh, there's a spreading insanity for making verbs
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:32 PM
Feb 2020

out of innocent little nouns. Makes one want to cry, or throw up.

Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
24. And, conversely, using verbs as nouns!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:00 PM
Feb 2020

Last edited Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Here in my office, "ask" is now a noun. My manager will say, "My ask to the team is...".

I gather that's commonplace in corporate America now. I don't know why "request" wouldn't do.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
35. "My ask to the team is...".
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020

Oh my god. No jury in the country would convict you. If you... you know...

Mme. Defarge

(9,020 posts)
20. Agreed on the verb thing, although I've rather taken to
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:46 PM
Feb 2020

“criming”, especially as applied to Giuliani.

I also hate “hate” used as a noun.

Cornus

(871 posts)
130. Gift can be used as a verb
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:48 PM
Feb 2020

verb
give (something) as a gift, especially formally or as a donation or bequest.
"the company gifted 2,999 shares to a charity"

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
19. And for post titles:
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:41 PM
Feb 2020

——I’m just going to leave this right here

——This

I never read a post that use these hackneyed devices as titles.

Phentex

(16,709 posts)
79. What about silent threads?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:39 PM
Feb 2020

Wouldn’t they be silent if they weren’t posted at all?

People respond with a period or emoji and then someone posts an entire sentence and ruins it. What’s the point?

wnylib

(26,014 posts)
175. They are used as a message board form
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:36 AM
Feb 2020

of a moment of silence to honor someone who has died.

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
23. "Impactful" makes me grit my teeth.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:54 PM
Feb 2020

What is wrong with good old “influential?”

And I am hearing more and more people make a possessive out of “I.” Mary and I’s vacation, or other such atrocities.


 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
43. That comes from a lifetime of being chided for using 'me' instead of 'I' ...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:32 PM
Feb 2020

People grow up to reflexively try to use 'I' even when 'me' or 'my' is actually proper.

There ARE an awful lot of rules in English

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
48. Some folks feel instinctively that "me" is incorrect,
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:47 PM
Feb 2020

but don't want to sound hoity-toity and use "I", so they use "myself." "The wife and myself certainly appreciate your putting up the bail money." And it's *your* because "putting" is a gerund, a legitimate use of a verb form as a noun (I'm going to gerund the shit out of this sentence) (sorry, I'm a little drunk already).

Or "Thank you for putting up the bail money for my wife and myself."

One excellent English teacher is all it takes, someone who will teach you to diagram sentences until you can do it asleep with one leg tied to a chair. Miss Ada Thompson (RIP) in the eighth grade was such a teacher. I remember one test she gave us began with "Diagram this sentence: 'They named the baby Elmer.'"

There are a lot of rules, but many errors can be avoided by not trying to sound smart or elegant. Say what you mean without putting on airs, and you'll probably be fine. And don't use words and phrases you don't understand, like "begs the question."

The Blue Flower

(6,490 posts)
28. Noisome doesn't mean what you think it means
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:08 PM
Feb 2020

From the American Heritage Dictionary:
1. Offensive to the point of arousing disgust; foul: a noisome odor.
2. Harmful or dangerous: noisome fumes.

[Middle English noiesom : noie, harm (short for anoi, annoyance, from Old French, from anoier, to annoy; see ANNOY) + -som, adj. suff.; see –SOME1.]

noisome·ly adv.
noisome·ness n.

Usage Note: People sometimes assume that noisome means "noisy," because the two words sound similar. But in our 2011 survey, 89% of the Usage Panel found the sentence We could barely hear each other with the noisome helicopter overhead to be unacceptable. If you use noisome as a synonym for noisy, there's a good chance that others will misinterpret your words and think you're describing someone or something as being offensive or harmful.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. People who use 'anymore' like a synonym of 'nowadays' instead of the proper synonym which is
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:08 PM
Feb 2020

'any longer'.

Correct Usage:
"We don't go the beach for vacation anymore, we go to the lake".

Incorrect Usage:
"Anymore we go the lake for vacation instead of the beach"

And YES, people use it that way ... OFTEN. Freaking bugs me.

Also, overuse of the word 'ironic' when the proper word for what they're trying to express is actually 'paradoxical'

Lastly ... '(such and such) begs the question'.

It's always used wrong.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
39. "Begs the question"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:26 PM
Feb 2020

Not too long ago a DUer explained how to use this phrase, and why it doesn't mean what we think it means. I could not follow or understand, so I simply stopped using the expression. You don't have to be a shoemaker to know when your shoes don't fit, after all.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
44. Thank you
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:34 PM
Feb 2020

"The proof of the pudding" drives me nuts. The word "proof" is used here as "test," as in photographic proofs. The phrase is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating," but people use it to mean that something has been proven true.

I will try to digest "begs" but in the meantime the phrase is dead to me.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
47. You don't have to understand the definition of 'begs', just that the phrase 'begging the question'
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:47 PM
Feb 2020

Has a long-ago-determined meaning as a term of art, and that is definitely NOT ... how it's being commonly used now

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
49. Well, yeah
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:49 PM
Feb 2020

I was employing that oratorical device whose name I can't remember, using part to stand for the whole. But you knew that.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
40. Grandpappy of them all
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:28 PM
Feb 2020

and a battle we've all but lost. It's called "nonstandard usage," and you know what that means.

LisaM

(29,634 posts)
32. "That's fair".
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:14 PM
Feb 2020

This seems to have crept into usage, and it's not only overused, people use it to say, "l don't agree with you, so let's blow past your point and not discuss it".

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
45. Yeah--if it's "fair,"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:36 PM
Feb 2020

i.e., a good point, why won't you argue about it with me, or confess that I'm right? Weaselly.

Croney

(5,017 posts)
36. Someone feels badly, when they mean bad.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:19 PM
Feb 2020

"He went with Joe and I."

I hate "invite" used as a noun. And "impact" used as a verb.

"Very unique."

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
42. Yes yes yes yes
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:30 PM
Feb 2020

When someone feels badly, I assume they've (I've surrendered on pronouns, largely thanks to my transgendered nephew) lost their fingers in an industrial accident.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
51. Man, you must be really *old*...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:51 PM
Feb 2020

Me too.

And there are lots of phrases that come from movies or TV shows I've never seen, like "all right Felicia" that just confuse me.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
50. What's the name of that has been Governor of Alaska?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:50 PM
Feb 2020

Forgot her name.

She used to say, "American is an evolving language".

oh god...

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
57. It all depends on the inherent simplicity
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:06 PM
Feb 2020

of the mental alertableness posed by said person in question. Uh, you know what I mean.

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
56. "Each and every" is a pet peeve for me, as is "on a daily basis" rather than just "daily." nt
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:05 PM
Feb 2020

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
68. On TV shows
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:36 PM
Feb 2020

from buying wedding gowns to RVs, "price point" is universal. "Price" is too low-class, I guess. Or "how much do you want to spend?" We are becoming a nation of mealy-mouthed grammatical social climbers.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
73. Look look. See Spot run. Funny funny Spot.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:46 PM
Feb 2020

That's about all I have left after this op.

No, I hear you. Is that one? Dang.

Mersky

(5,340 posts)
87. Yep, I do know what you mean.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:40 PM
Feb 2020

Imagine if you could go back and acquire thyroid disease in your early twenties, then see how you do in your forties with brain fog, etc. Dang.

I actually appreciate the criticism. Am working on my voice. Sadly, the river of crap that is the time we live in won’t quit long enough for me to arrive at perfection in my personal situation any given day, week, or month. Cuz I’m slow like that.

I’ll monitor myself for when I’ve officially brought too much informal language into the big tent.

*Please note * this is one of my favorite shaming threads to date.



Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
75. I would welcome some criticism
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:28 PM
Feb 2020

It’s been over 40 years since I’ve had an English class and don’t get any feedback in my work or online. It’s easy for mistakes to creep in.

So, anymore, between you and i, my ask is if theirs some tag or such that would let me self identify as a misgrammian who wouldn’t mind some pointers irregardless how trivial.

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
76. "Awesome"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:33 PM
Feb 2020

Honestly, that word is like nails on a chalkboard. As soon as someone utters it, I immediately start discounting everything said before and after.

Alpeduez21

(2,054 posts)
93. Really? Everything?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:17 PM
Feb 2020

So if Einstein said Gravity is awesome you'd discount the theory of relativity? Sad.

I'm pretty sure Bill Gates has said things are awesome so you just use macs? Although Steve Jobs strikes me as the kind of person who said 'awesome.' How are you even reading this?

Siwsan

(27,834 posts)
96. Inappropriate mis and overuse has completely robbed the word of it's meaning.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:47 PM
Feb 2020

Perhaps it is just my perception, but I think gravity is far different thing from, say, an ice cream sundae, or a car, or a movie, which some would describe as AWESOME!! I rarely, if ever, hear it used in a way appropriate to the object being described.

It has the same effect, on me, as people who toss the word "like" or "you know", multiple times, into whatever they are trying to say.

By the way, I'm amused by the outrage in your post. That kind of stretch can pull a significant amount of muscle.

sammythecat

(3,597 posts)
165. "Really? Everything?"
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:40 AM
Feb 2020

Seriously? I'll bet you're sharper than this most of the time. You'd have to be.

Mersky

(5,340 posts)
80. Meh, I'll pass.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:41 PM
Feb 2020

Far be it from me to agree with this OP.

I don’t care if people are rusty with their grammar rules, or clearly missed a typo. I’m hear for the ideas and opinions.

happybird

(5,393 posts)
82. "Moving forward..."
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:51 PM
Feb 2020

That one really grinds my gears. No idea why, but it’s like nails on a chalkboard.

skypilot

(9,128 posts)
85. That one has bugged me for years
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:20 PM
Feb 2020

Like you, I am not sure why. I just bristle every time I hear it or read it.

On edit: Now that I think about it it might be that I've heard it from too many politicians, pundits, and business people and I'd rather they just said "in the future".

happybird

(5,393 posts)
113. I once saw a printed sign in a ladies room stall
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:27 PM
Feb 2020

“Moving forward, we ask all customers to please properly dispose of sanitary napkins... “

I ripped the sign down and placed it in the proper receptacle.

happybird

(5,393 posts)
114. ...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:29 PM
Feb 2020


I have been trying to curb my use of those two words after seeing how much they bother folks.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
136. Not a perfectionist over linguistics but the reason those bother me is....
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:56 AM
Feb 2020

because by definition, they should only be used in rare circumstances because they are meant to describe extremes. Therefore, overuse deflates the impact of those words.

Example of proper usage:

A Friend: There's an asteroid coming toward earth that may destroy us today!
Me: Awesome!

Instead, people are using awesome to react to the latest flavor of ice cream......

The question then is "what word can I use that exceeds awesome?"

The Genealogist

(4,739 posts)
90. "Reach out to" instead of "contact"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 05:14 PM
Feb 2020

I don't really hearing this before I started working win my current employer. The term grates on me, I think because it sounds pretentious.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
104. I don't even like "contact"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:09 PM
Feb 2020

How are you going to get in touch with this person? By phone? Then "call." By letter or email? Then "write." Waylay in a dark alley? Then "mug."

Disaffected

(6,403 posts)
94. Loan instead of lend;
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 06:21 PM
Feb 2020

loaned instead of lent. I even heard Rachael Maddow a while ago misusing such terminology.

While I'm at it, "gonna" instead of "going to" - such misuse is getting universal.

And of course, the ubiquitous 'I mean" and "you know". Or, "I mean, you know".

llmart

(17,622 posts)
98. You think that's bad?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:00 PM
Feb 2020

I know a woman who's a self-proclaimed Trump voter who uses the word "borrowed" instead of loaned. She told me that her son needed money "so I borrowed him some". That's only the beginning of her stupidity. I'd have to write a book to get it all covered.

Disaffected

(6,403 posts)
123. That's beyond bad,
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:48 PM
Feb 2020

I would phrase it though "....who uses the word "borrowed" instead of lent."

Glorfindel

(10,175 posts)
102. The use of "disinterested" when "uninterested" is meant
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:08 PM
Feb 2020

The intolerable misuse of "fortuitous" to mean "happily accidental." Alas, no one ever says "serendipitous" these days.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
107. "Disinterested" and "fortuitous" belong with
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:15 PM
Feb 2020

words like noisome--they don't mean what people think they mean. And the use of the word "whom" when you're not sure why you'd use it. My suggestion that using "whom" should require a license was voted down in the Crabby Old Nitpickers' Club.

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
112. "absolute" when it isn't. "Did our doctor (hospital) give you absolutely the best care?"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:24 PM
Feb 2020

How they hell would I know? If I knew where substantially better treatment was offered, I would do my best to go there.

ploppy

(2,206 posts)
117. Let's unpack this.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:50 PM
Feb 2020

That is what you do with a suitcase or groceries, not to explain something.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
121. That word is like the corona virus
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:01 PM
Feb 2020

CNN uses it, then it spreads to MSNBC--next thing you know, Dawn Lazarus is "unpacking" a cold front.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,536 posts)
119. "Inflection point."
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:53 PM
Feb 2020

It's a math term for when a curve changes direction but now it's used for any event that causes a change in a situation. It's being used so much that it's beginning to irritate me.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
120. I've never used the term, but
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:58 PM
Feb 2020

I assumed it referred to inflected words--nominative, possessive, or oblique.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
122. All of these!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:55 PM
Feb 2020

I say that as I realize how old I am and that I still use cool and wow a lot. My son looks at me like I am a lunatic sometimes but I guess that is better than groovy or far out.

Woke is beginning to annoy me.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
127. "Net-net"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:44 PM
Feb 2020

As in "the bottom line". Ugh!

You would not believe how many of these terms listed above are regular parlance in daily corporate communication.

Also, "getting granular" as in getting to the specific, gritty details of a thing. There are so many more corporate sayings that irritate me, but I'm only going to keep myself up if keep thinking about them, so I will leave at that for now.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
138. One would hope so, but as Emerson
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:24 AM
Feb 2020

said (roughly; I don't want to bother to look it up), "The louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted the spoons."

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
141. I don't know. I think it might actually be fairly new.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:03 AM
Feb 2020

First started hearing it a couple years ago, but then encountered it from multiple people in multiple places and even saw reference to it online.

Golden Raisin

(4,755 posts)
134. Curated and artisanal.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:04 AM
Feb 2020

Also saying, "No problem" instead of "You're welcome" in response to "Thank you."

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
144. I know what "no problem" means, at least
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:15 PM
Feb 2020

I assume it's shorthand for "It was not a problem for me to accommodate you," and you're right, "You're welcome" covers it pretty well.

Baitball Blogger

(52,345 posts)
137. My dad would freak every time I said, "I can't get used of it."
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:17 AM
Feb 2020

Funny how he kept correcting me, but I never understood why because that's what I heard everyone else say. He finally decided it was a local colloquialism.

Terms that have the same effect on me:

"At the end of the day..."

"That's on you." The first time I heard it was when a neighbor that was trying to steal HOA property made the case that it wasn't the board's responsibility to tell the rest of the neighbors that the next vote was to transfer HOA property to a cabal within the community. Actually, that's what her plan was - her husband served on the board and she was okay with the idea that people should already know what common grounds are in the community when they move in. So I associate the term with intentionally trying to defraud people.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
145. "can't get used of it"
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:22 PM
Feb 2020

That's a stumper. I once worked for a foreign-born doctor who would not say "sick to one's stomach" but insisted on "sick in one's stomach" because that made more sense.

"At the end of the day" sounds like an attempt to be high-falutin' to me, and I think trying to be high-falutin' is the worst grammatical error you can make.

"That's on you" bugs me, too. Is it a way to try to weasel out of a direct accusation--"it's your fault?"--or a way to indicate a sharing of responsiblities? Begone, sez I.

Apollo Zeus

(251 posts)
142. All about and Passionate
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:07 PM
Feb 2020

I'm all about ending the over use of 'all about.'

Saw a great piece on how the when the word "passionate" is used in a job ad it means you will be underpaid and is more often directed at female job applicants. Should have bookmarked it.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
146. Welcome to DU
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:25 PM
Feb 2020

"I'm all about fighting climate change" or all about anything else commendable seems to me to be a way to congratulate oneself without having to do anything.

And I fully agree about "passionate." I don't think it's quite as gender-specific as "shrill," but then what is?

GoneOffShore

(18,021 posts)
147. All of these pale in comparison to some of the expressions I read about today
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:26 PM
Feb 2020

Here's a link to the article. Read it if you want to make your brain bleed.

Garbage Language - Why do corporations speak the way they do?

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
150. "Can you parallel-path this?"
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:33 PM
Feb 2020

Oh my god.

Many vocations--medicine comes immediately to mind--have vocabularies peculiar to them. Let us pray that the expressions described in that little article will remain confined to the corporate world. I don't know how those people understand each other.

GoneOffShore

(18,021 posts)
155. The expressions have been leaking over for years. And I fear that it's only going to get worse.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:31 PM
Feb 2020

The best thing to do is to call out 'Garbage Language' every time you encounter it.

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
151. I like reading what people have to say in their own speech pattern
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:43 PM
Feb 2020

and grammar. It tells about their culture, age, the locale they grew up, their native language and gives a real insight into how they think.

I like good language skills but I also like expanding vocabulary, creativity and culture. As long as the communication is there I'm not bothered by individuality. Learning or teaching standard skills isn't part of my DU experience.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
157. I'm interested in the kinds of things that drive us buggy
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:33 PM
Feb 2020

I agree that language, especially usages peculiar to a time and place, is fascinating when looked at through the lens of what we don't like.

Most of my elementary school English classes seem to have spent a lot of time trying to get students to say "chimney" instead of "chimbley." WV, 1950s.

It would be easy to dismiss all of us commenting here as grouchy old cranks who were so touchy about language that no one would dare speak to us, but I know that is not the case. The obvious pleasure people are taking in talking about language tells me that we are a bunch of friendly, kind, literate talkers interested in lots of things who very much enjoy social intercourse.

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
152. I hear one word that I didn't see in the posts...that I kind of cringe...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:09 PM
Feb 2020

When someone says 'seriously, man', or use the word 'seriousness' or any other versions of this word.

It is seriously overdone, man!

Thanks to all for the list of overdone/overused words...I hope that there are some English majors here on the trend.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
158. Not a hep cat, eh?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:37 PM
Feb 2020

Are the people saying this old or young or all ages? It seems like such a dated expression that your post made me smile. "Seriously" is akin to the other intentions people announce that make us raise an eyebrow, like "honestly."

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
160. I suspect that it is older folks using 'seriously, man' or 'in all seriousness', but that was 30 ...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:03 PM
Feb 2020

years ago according to my reckoning...seems ages ago.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
168. *snort*
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:14 AM
Feb 2020

"Seriously"! What the hell is wrong with your penis? We can table this discussion for another time at which point you may want to absolutely consider unpacking this topic by reaching out to another DU member any day now for some impactful advice.

Moving forward, to be perfectly honest, at this point in time this begs the question of whether you may have some awesome issues with your, um, "signage". Irregardless, at the end of the day, I could care less. Bye, Felicia!

MH1

(19,156 posts)
161. "Preventative" or any "-tative" when "-tive" is the word.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:48 PM
Feb 2020

It's PREVENTIVE medicine, NOT "preventative", people!!!

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
169. Yes
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:53 PM
Feb 2020

and I've thought of another word that is commonly misused: Fulsome, as in "fulsome praise." That doesn't mean something good; it means exaggerated almost to the point of being false praise, and it is not a good thing.

Niagara

(11,851 posts)
167. Where do I begin?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:50 AM
Feb 2020

believe me

big-league/bigly

deep state

fake news

haters

hoax

I don't know

let me tell you

loser(s)

maga

many people are saying

nobody knows more about _________ than me

nobody really knows

really, really, really

sad

so much winning

total disaster

tremendous(ly)

trust me

very, very, very

we'll find out

CloudWatcher

(2,127 posts)
173. "To tell the truth ..."
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:17 AM
Feb 2020

Ok, if you're telling the truth this time, I guess everything else you've said has been a lie. I'll just stop listening now.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
178. Me too
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:41 AM
Feb 2020

I hope that being made aware of them will help me avoid them, but to tell the truth I doubt it will help at all.

wnylib

(26,014 posts)
180. I have the same doubt sbout myself.
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:05 PM
Feb 2020

I get lazy, or just pick up habits from other people.

There are things that bother me, too, when I notice them.

"Effect" vs. "affect"

"i" instead of "me" with prepositions, e.g. "for you and I" or "between you and I."

OTOH, things like "hopefully" don't bother me at all. The ways we use words and the meanings we give them change over time.

Shakespeare created new expressions, meanings, and ways to use words, including the use of nouns as verbs. He broke rules and created new ones.

We are not all of his caliber, so most of us benefit from following grammatical standards. But sometimes, changes in common usage become the new standard. We no longer have two forms of "you" for example. Our entire syntax changed when Old English speakers dropped most changes in verb endings and the need to have adjectives agree with nouns in gender and number.

Language is fluid. So when a word usage is convenient and useful for expressng a meaning that people easily understand, like "hopefully," I'm ok with it.'

Tripper11

(4,466 posts)
179. Reporters and anchors who use the phrases...
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:02 AM
Feb 2020

"On the ground" - I hate that. Just tell me where you are, you haven't parachuted in

"I can tell you" - well yes you can because it's your job. Don't tell me you have permission

DFW

(60,186 posts)
181. If someone wants me to ignore their post
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:27 PM
Feb 2020

I can't imagine anyone bothering deliberately, but as a side effect it will work every time:

Use the words "corporate" or "corporatist." To me, that translates out to "go on to the next post."

Response to cyclonefence (Original post)

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
183. The word "So". since when did that word become a unit of measure?
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:08 AM
Mar 2020

I'm so tired.
It's so far.
There are so many.
It is so cold.

How much or, many, does "So" equal?

and the word "Awesome"

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
188. cyclonefence, you need to change your post title
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 02:56 PM
Mar 2020

It should be "Words and usages of which I am sick and tired."

Just kidding. Even Churchill knew that the old prohibition against ending sentence with a preposition was linguistic tyranny.
His comment: Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.

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