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Siwsan

(26,234 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:00 PM Jun 2020

Today is the 529th anniversary of the birth of Henry VIII

My fascination with Henry started when I was still a pre-teen and learned that he, like me, was of Welsh descent. I've read countless biographies and even a few fictional books about Henry. When I was in England, I made it a point to visit many sites connected to his reign and stood, for a bit of meditation, at his tomb. I know all of the 'pros' and the even more abundant 'cons' about the man. Keeping historical perspective, that doesn't make him less worth of my fascination. And, no matter what, he did help give the world Elizabeth I who is, hands down, my personal historical 'hero'. She actually did speak Welsh, btw.

But I digress. I'll drink a bit of Mead to Henry's memory, today.

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Today is the 529th anniversary of the birth of Henry VIII (Original Post) Siwsan Jun 2020 OP
Spending the day at Hampton Court in 2015 ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2020 #1
Same here! Siwsan Jun 2020 #3
I will sing a song in his memory DBoon Jun 2020 #2
HAHA! Siwsan Jun 2020 #5
NO SAM! Wolf Frankula Jun 2020 #12
I am a direct descendent of Mary Bolen... Freedomofspeech Jun 2020 #4
Wow! Siwsan Jun 2020 #6
I was shocked when I found this relationship from my Father's side of the family. Freedomofspeech Jun 2020 #8
Lettice Knollys was a Great Niece of Anne's ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2020 #7
I've had some lovely conversations with the Yeomen Warders at the Tower of London Siwsan Jun 2020 #9
My favorite Henry VIII factoid: PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2020 #10
Other perspective... Grins Jun 2020 #11
Not all were beheaded. Some got much, much worse Siwsan Jun 2020 #14
the Tudors MFM008 Jun 2020 #13
Just for his birthday whistler162 Jun 2020 #15

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,670 posts)
1. Spending the day at Hampton Court in 2015
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jun 2020

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Was totally amazing. I could feel the ghost of Catherine Howard running down the hall to plead with Henry for her life. I felt her spirit and that of her cousin Anne Boleyn when at the Tower of London.

Siwsan

(26,234 posts)
3. Same here!
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jun 2020

I used to go to early Sunday services at St Peter ad Vincula, in the Tower of London. It was an experience to know I was sitting just meters from the burial place of Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard.

Hampton Court is absolutely wonderful. One time we took the river trip to the palace. It is my favorite way to visit, that's for sure.

And to see Henry's armor - the vast expanse that took place from his youth to his, umm, maturity. (Admittedly, I don't remember if that was displayed at Hampton Court or the Tower of London.)

Siwsan

(26,234 posts)
5. HAHA!
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jun 2020

Henry was actually a pretty good writer of verse and song. Of course, though, given his Welsh bloodline. Nah, I'm not biased.

Freedomofspeech

(4,221 posts)
4. I am a direct descendent of Mary Bolen...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jun 2020

His favorite "whore". My grandmother many, many, many times removed...

Siwsan

(26,234 posts)
6. Wow!
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:16 PM
Jun 2020

Mary was the one I always felt so sorry for - her father, Thomas Boleyn, was a real cad.

I've found a bit of evidence that we might be descended from Rhys ap Thomas, one of the men who killed Richard III. My father's cousin did some deep research into the family tree and found an authenticated family crest in our history. It's pretty much a dead on match for Rhys'. So, who knows. I do so love the possibility.

Freedomofspeech

(4,221 posts)
8. I was shocked when I found this relationship from my Father's side of the family.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:50 PM
Jun 2020

Another note from my Mother's side of the family...my Great Grandfather was in the Union Army and was standing outside the Ford Theater when President Lincoln was shot. He had to testify at the hearing of the co-conspirators. I was able to find a book on Ebay with his testimony in it. He later worked for the government as a Counterfeit Detective. Unfortunately I do not have a rich ancestors!

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,670 posts)
7. Lettice Knollys was a Great Niece of Anne's
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jun 2020

Grandaughter of Mary Boleyn through her daughter Catherine, attendant to Elizabeth I, then later married to Lord Robert Dudley.

I have read tons of books on the Howards, Boleyns, and Tudors. Our Tour guide at the Tower was impressed with my knowledge of British History when I showed him photos on my phone of my Elizabethan costuming work. More examples can be found at my Flickr page
www.flickr.com/photos/kathy0552/albums.

Siwsan

(26,234 posts)
9. I've had some lovely conversations with the Yeomen Warders at the Tower of London
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jun 2020

It was one of them who tipped me off about getting into the Tower for the Sunday service. I didn't go so much for the religious experience, as I did for the historical one.

I once joined my brother and his wife as 'performers' at a Renaissance Faire, in Southern California. Uncharastically, I went as a 'wench'. Holy Cow that was an uncomfortable costume! However, I looked quite fetching as a wench.

I've got your page up, now, and can't wait to check it out!!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,808 posts)
10. My favorite Henry VIII factoid:
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jun 2020

His father, Henry VII was born January 28, 1457.

Son, Henry VIII, died exactly 90 years later, January 28, 1547.

Grins

(7,178 posts)
11. Other perspective...
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jun 2020

Henry had a lot of heads chopped off, Thomas More’s being one of them, because they wouldn’t bend to the marriage or the Acts of Supremacy.

I never knew how many Henry had put to death. My history never got much past Sir Thomas, but it went on for years.

And then one day a history buff, probably one much like yourself, of that period told me: about 70,000!

Me: “What?? Really?”

Yup. That they know of!

I guess that’s one way to get your religion straight.

Siwsan

(26,234 posts)
14. Not all were beheaded. Some got much, much worse
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:22 PM
Jun 2020

Drawn and quartered, for example. It's hard to imagine a more gruesome way to go. Probably equal to being burned at the stake.

As to beheadings, Margaret Pole, the Countess of Shrewsbury, made the executioner work for his money because she REFUSED to lay her neck on the block. It took around 11 blows before she finally succumbed to the King's command.

Henry's eldest daughter was known as 'Bloody Mary', due to the frequency of her ordered executions.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
13. the Tudors
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jun 2020

are my total fascination.
Have been since I was a kid.....



He wanted a son, yet the greatest ruler of England wasnt a man....IMHO

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