I don't know why, but I've become posthumously and hopelessly in love with Oliver Reed

[CatWoman]

[blm]

1. Curse of the Werewolf

I was 6yo and my oldest sister’s new husband packed 8 of us kids in a car and took us to a drive-in to see it.

I was scared of werewolves for the next 15 years.

[CatWoman]

4. have it in my watch list on Amazon Prime

[nocoincidences]

2. Women in Love

An amazing movie all around, but the wrestling scene between Alan Bates and Oliver Reed is/was scandalous!! The clip is on Youtube but it is a bit risque to link to. Just look it up.

A Ken Russell film, so virtually every scene is sensual.

It's almost impossible to find it online to watch and you can't much find it to buy anymore. Glenda Jackson is breathtaking in it, so is Oliver and Alan Bates.

Oliver and Glenda in this scene will stick in your brain forever. Unfortunately Oliver got cut off in this clip.

[CatWoman]

3. I ordered that DVD last night

[nocoincidences]

5. Where did you find it?

Last I looked Amazon didn't have it!!

[nocoincidences]

7. Answering my own question: Criterion Collection

The only place I can find to buy it.

https://www.criterion.com/films/28688-women-in-love

[CatWoman]

8. that's where I found it

[nocoincidences]

10. Good for you!

This movie is one of the most sensual movies I have ever seen.

Glenda with the cows...Alan opening the fig and describing it...Oliver frozen...oops. Just watch it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. Oh, yeah!

Pretty hot for the time.

[lunasun]

6. The Devils

[CatWoman]

9. ordered that one as well

[lunasun]

11. There are different cuts some cut the stranger kinky bits I suppose

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. I remember that one!

A bit disturbing, IIRC, but that's Ken Russell.

[Aristus]

12. The best Athos ever...

[CatWoman]

13. now that's one I haven't found yet

[Aristus]

15. Richard Lester's "The Three Musketeers" from 1973.

They filmed such a long movie, they had to cut it in two and release the second half as a sequel, "The Four Musketeers".

Best adaptation of the novel ever.

Reed's performance as Athos was superb; aloof, haunted, avuncular, menacing, the works...

[malthaussen]

17. Great story from Chrisopher Lee...

... they used naked steel in the filming of the "Musketeers." In one sequence, Mr Reed got a bit excited (probably had quite a load on board) and came after Reed with real intent. Fortunately, Reed is a good fencer, and managed to avoid being skewered, but he pulled a leg muscle doing it.

-- Mal

[Wolf Frankula]

14. My sister is an Oliver Reed fan

And I loved him in the Three Musketeers. The best Athos ever.

Wolf

[malthaussen]

16. Wendy Cope can relate to such hopeless love:

I think I am in love with A.E. Housman,
Which puts me in a worse-than-usual-fix.
No woman ever stood a chance with Housman,
And he’s been dead since 1936.

(Wendy Cope)

-- Mal

[UTUSN]

20. Agree about the charisma/talent but Shelley WINTERS dealt with his misogyny and

there are YouTubes of his bizarre drunk appearances. It's that split when a great artist has a horrid streak ( Richard WAGNER, Mel GIBSON/Apocalypto). Saying again, I love his movies.

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[Harker]

21. Coincidentally I saw this a few days ago. n/t

[CatWoman]

23. from the clips I've seen, he never, ever once denied he's a chauvinist

or an out-of-control drunk for that matter.

and I think Shelley was wrong for pouring that drink on him.

[UTUSN]

24. Hah, Sweet-one, after all these years of my worshipping you, sorry (& I seldom apologize) to

to be a DebbieDownerThreadkiller and especially in a thread of yours. But really it's not in my power to kill a thread anyway. I am gobsmacked fanatic fan of his, just that when facing a topic I can't block out certain details that are part of the whole thing.


Haha, secretly I wanted to be your knight in shining armor to protect you from his clutches - oh, he's dead?!1 Like, YOU need "protecting" - HAHA!

To explain my thing about apologies, allow me to explain: In Family services trainings, the perps in family violence go through a cycle of very defined stages: 1) All hunky dory, 2) drifting into disatisfaction, emotional abuse 3) escalating to verbal abuse, 4) exploding to physical abuse, 5) "remorse", crying, APOLOGIES, promises never to happen again. And then back to #1.

What I got from all that was that apologies are worthless. They don't erase the harm done. Years later there was "Doctor" Laura in her Old Testament phase (before she went Evangelical Xtian "Bacon is delicious" ) preaching the biblical formula for Apologies: "Must acknowledge the harm done, must sincerely repent, must apologize to the offended one, who has the CHOICE to accept or not."

That said, for discussion's sake in a DISCUSSION board, I don't get your point that he never denied being a misogynist/drunk. Does that mean it should be left out when the individual is being assessed? I mean, it's one of my personal dilemmas about great artists like Richard WAGNER and Mel GIBSON (not on the same level of "greatness" ) - separating the artist from the crap.

It's different for me with Ollie because I really really like him while I don't like WAGNER or GIBSON (but love WAGNER's music and GIBSON's Apocalypto).

And I really really like YOU, without any of the caveats about the others.

[CatWoman]

25. Hon, all I meant was he was a chauvanistic relic (personality and behavorial wise)

and was the first person to admit it. Time and time again.

At least he knew who he was. Can't say that about a lot of folks.

Furthermore, I've come to divorce actors performance on the screen from their personal shortcomings.

[JustGene]

26. Agree

Looking at people in the past through today's eyes doesn't work for me.
Some of the greatest works have been done by not so pleasant people.
The work stands on it's own.
I don't condone this behavior I find it irrevelant.

[UTUSN]

27. So we're on the same page about separating the shortcomings, but in person GIBSON

gives me the creeps!1 *and* we're on the same page about what a charmer Mr REED was.

OTOH, one of my other idols, Peter O'TOOLE, was a charmer no matter how drunk he was, haha!1

[Floyd R. Turbo]

22. Several years ago I visited The Pub where he died.

Here’s to you Ollie!

[bedazzled]

28. Glad to know i am not the only one to crush on a dead guy

I like michael sarrazin tho.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Sarrazin

Sigh