East Coast word usage versus West Coast...

[AmyStrange]

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I'm now living in Seattle, but I'm originally from the East Coast (EC), and I've noticed that some of the descriptive words are different out here.

What got me thinking about it was someone posting a question about Teeter Totters, and what I can gather from that thread is that West Coasters (WC) tend to use that word instead of See Saw.

Personally, Teeter Totter makes more sense to me.

Another example is Basement vs Cellar. ECs tend to call it a cellar.

Dresser (WC) vs Bureau (EC) is another one.

Rubber Bands (WC) vs Elastics (EC) is also another one.

I'm sure I've missed a million of them, but since the characters in my books go back and forth from coast to coast, they're all worth knowing.

Any help would be deeply appreciated, and thank you in advance.
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[Squinch]

1. I am from the east coast. Other than "see saw" I don't use any of the terms you attribute

to east coasters.

[AmyStrange]

3. So, you call them rubber bands...

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interesting, because none of my relatives use it.
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[Guilded Lilly]

17. To throw more wood on the fire...

My Pittsburgh family and friends called them gum bands!
Or the more familiar “gumbanz”.

[AmyStrange]

21. Ha, ha, ha, I like that.

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I used to gum them when I was younger, so that brought back memories.

Thank you.
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[cloudbase]

132. Definitely a yinzerism. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

64. I'm the same as Squinch. Where are you from on the east coast?

There are a lot of regional difference even out here. I'm a New Yorker who has lived in Massachusetts for a while now and I still haven't picked up their regional colloquialisms.

[AmyStrange]

88. I'm from New England, and...

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my family's crazy!

Hard to beat that kind of combo.
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[smirkymonkey]

90. I live in Boston, and there are some words/phrases here that are strange to me as

a native New Yorker. However, I have also noticed in my own family that there are even generational differences in what we call things, so it's not even only a regional thing.

For a lot of us here on the east coast, our grand parents are still from the old country, so they kind of have their own vernacular. I had a hard time understanding the Italian side of my family, even though they were speaking English. They just kind of had their own names for things.

[AmyStrange]

91. I know what you mean...

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my family was originally from Canada, and almost everyone can speak French except me.

I even had nine years of it in Grammar School (there's another word that's different, I hear elementary and middle school, but not grammar school so much), two years in high school, one year in college, and I still can't speak it.
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[malthaussen]

115. That's one generational difference right there...

... "Grammar School" was current up to the beginning of the '60s, when "Elementary School" became vogue. "Middle School" is an even later change: I went to a "Junior High School."

As others have noted, there are clusters of dialect in many small areas, and they change over time. For example, I lived the first ten years of my life in Pittsburgh, and never heard the word "yinz" and variants; now it is a touchstone of the region.

-- Mal

-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

118. I'm beginning to see that you're right...

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Yinz is definitely a new one for me, and thank you.

Yinz (see History and usage below for other spellings) is a second-person plural pronoun used mainly in Western Pennsylvania English, most prominently in Pittsburgh, but it is also found throughout the cultural region known as Appalachia, located within the geographical region of the Appalachians.

[SNIP]

Yinz is the most recent derivation from the original Scots-Irish form you ones or "yous ones", a form of the second person plural commonly heard in parts of Ulster. When standard-English speakers talk in the first person or third person, they use different pronouns to distinguish between singular and plural. In the first person, for example, speakers use the singular I and the plural we. But when speaking in the second person, you performs double duty as both the singular form and the plural form. Crozier (1984) suggests that during the 19th century, when many Irish speakers switched to speaking English, they filled this gap with you ones, primarily because Irish has a singular second-person pronoun, tú, as well as a plural form, sibh. The following, therefore, is the most likely path from you ones to yinz: you ones [juː wʌnz] > you'uns [juːʌnz] > youns [juːnz] > yunz [jʌnz] > yinz [jɪ̈nz]. Because there are still speakers who use each form, there is no stable second-person plural pronoun form in southwest or central Pennsylvania, which is why the pronoun is variably referred to or spelled as you'uns, y'ins, y'uns, yunz, yuns, yinz, yenz, yins or ynz.

[SNIP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinz
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[malthaussen]

122. Oh, Pitsburgh is full of interesting dialect...

... and so are the Pennsylvania Dutch. For example, carpet sweeper vs vacuum cleaner. And there are interesting verb forms, also: if one's car is dirty, it needs to "get washed [pronounced "warshed"]," if the brakes are out, it needs to "get fixed," and so on. And that's just one of many sub-dialects in the US.

-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

124. Is the Pennsylvania Turnpike still called that?

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Pennsylvania dialects are definitely weirder than New England's.

Thank you again and again and again!
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[malthaussen]

126. Yep, that's usage all over the state.

However, it is I-276 in the East, and I-76 in the West. There's also a short section that is designated I-70.
Trivia: the Turnpike from Philly to Valley Forge is the oldest in the country.

-- Mal

[lagomorph777]

223. I have more colorful terms for it.

Which I won't repeat here.

[AmyStrange]

224. I'll bet...He, he, he

[tblue37]

152. And "h" is pronounced "haitch."

[AmyStrange]

160. Guilty! n/t

[tblue37]

162. That's a Pennsylvania Dutch thing!

[AmyStrange]

163. And an Ayotte Family thing also...

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I try to remember not to do it, but like my saying idear (New England thing) instead of idea, I sometimes forget.
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[malthaussen]

199. For a primer on the Pittsburgh vocabulary (and accent)...

... you could do worse than the "Pittsburgh Dad" series of videos on TY featuring Curt Wootton as the Dad.
You think *your* family is crazy...

-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

200. Everyone thinks THEIR family is crazy, but mine really is, but...

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thanks for the "Pittsburgh Dad" info. Do you know off hand where I can watch it?
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[malthaussen]

207. You Tube, he has a million videoes. n/t

[AmyStrange]

208. Thanks

[Sanity Claws]

8. Same here

I think it may be a generational thing. I wonder if the OP would share her/his approximate age.

[AmyStrange]

13. Yeah, I'm an old fart, 64.

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That could be it also.
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[yellowdogintexas]

191. I grew up in KY and it was a teeter-totter nt

[uberblonde]

2. Here on the East Coast...

We use all of those terms, except we don't use elastics instead of rubber band. We might use it for hair elastics, but I never heard it used for rubber bands.

[soothsayer]

4. Exactly. Maybe Canada?

[AmyStrange]

11. Could be Canada, because...

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my Dad's side of the family was originally from Quebec.
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[soothsayer]

12. Ah. What did they call bandages?

[AmyStrange]

15. That's a good question...

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bandages, I think?
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[soothsayer]

18. Ha! Makes sense.

Not Band-Aids or plasters?

[AmyStrange]

20. Well, they do call band-aids, band aids, but...

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they don't use it for, you know, bandages.
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[soothsayer]

39. Technically... Band-Aids are bandages. Not an East coast thing, thought maybe Canada would go plaste

Johnson & Johnson Band-Aid Brand Flexible Fabric Adhesive Bandages for Wound Care and First Aid, All One Size, 100 Count, Tan

[AmyStrange]

49. Guaranteed sterile UNTIL opened...

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always got me chuckling.

They guarantee it, but we can't prove it... muwahahahaha!!!
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[abqtommy]

37. I've read a lot and in print I've seen many references to bandages as "sticking plaster".

[AmyStrange]

51. That's a new one on me, and...

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thank you!
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[abqtommy]

53. You're entirely welcome. Yet I understand every word used!

[AmyStrange]

6. Someone else mentioned that...

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It must be a family thing then, because none of my relatives use rubber bands, even though that's what it says on the package.

Sometimes, I wonder about my family.

Anyway, thank you.
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[abqtommy]

32. I never heard the term "hair elastic" until now but I am familiar with the word "scrunchie".

(71 yo fart here, lived east/west north and south...)

[AmyStrange]

58. It's one of those words that are fun to say...

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Unfortunately, I very rarely get the occasion to use it.

Scrunchie, scrunchie, scrunchie!
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[seaglass]

203. I'm in MA and have always said elastics not rubber bands.

Maybe an age thing?

[AmyStrange]

204. Yup, could be an age thing, but...

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it also might just be a New England thing, or maybe just our neck of the woods.

My nephew lives in Boston (under 30 yo), and I just texted him to find out what he calls them.

(I'm originally from Connecticut)
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[AmyStrange]

206. My sister (RI) calls them rubber bands, and...

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now I'm confused.

Why did I call them elastics?
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[AmyStrange]

205. He calls them rubber bands n/t

[fierywoman]

5. I'm from the east coast too and I find it tremendously funny how

"Sequim" is pronounced!

[AmyStrange]

9. I know. It took me a couple months to get that one.

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There's a couple others, but I can't remember them right now.
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[fierywoman]

34. Des Moines? Oregon?

[Thomas Hurt]

7. Folks out here in the wild west tend to think of cellars...

as things that are separate from the house. Usually for hiding out from tornadoes and storing home canned goodies.

Basements are under houses. At least that is how I grew up understanding those terms in Colorado and my peeps being from Texas and OK.

[AmyStrange]

10. Maybe it's just my family...

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They're a little crazy like me.
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[Doreen]

14. I use both cellar and basement. That is because to me a basement is more of a place where you keep

odds and ends, maybe a pool table, the washer and dryer, in some cases attached to the garage, and sometimes a gathering room. A cellar to me is mostly dedicated to keeping produce cool, keeping Jared food, and keeping canning equipment. I have lived in SW Washington all of my life.

[AmyStrange]

16. I'll have to explain that to my family, and...

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thank you.
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[Doreen]

22. It is just what I think.

I could be right or wrong. I forgot to mention I vision a cellar having a dirt floor and a basement having a cement floor.

[AmyStrange]

30. Good point about the dirt floor...

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it just makes sense.
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[MrsMatt]

234. Midwesterner here

and we had a basement with a cellar room for root vegetables (it was the "potato room&quot . It also had a cistern.

[Guilded Lilly]

73. Yup. We had a basement to play in...

And off of the basement was the cellar. Separate room with a door and shelves of canned goods, jellies, etc, PLUS, it doubled as a storm cellar with cement steps leading up to the doors that opened up and out. Ala Dorothy’s in the Wizard of Oz.

Loved that big old house!

[Doreen]

82. That sounds so cool.

Awesome house to be a kid in.

[Guilded Lilly]

92. It really was. The basement was huge and we could roller skate in it if we avoided ...

the monster furnace planted in an alcove with threatening pipes reaching out like tentacles!

Great memories.

[Sanity Claws]

19. I had a similar transition

In Seattle, I noticed that they sometimes used "sack" instead of "bag." No one in Seattle knew the word "stoop."

I also noticed a difference in vowel sounds. There was a time when people said "ship canal" (Ship Canal Bridge) and I heard it as "sheep canal."
Lots of other differences too but those come to mind immediately.

[AmyStrange]

26. Yup, sack and bag are good examples also, and...

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I did have to explain Stoop once.

Sheep Canal... ha, ha, ha.

Ok, that ones funny, and thank you.
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[malthaussen]

116. I had a friend from Texas who used "poke."

Got in all sorts of trouble when she moved North, went to the grocery store, and asked the checkout clerk if she could give her a poke. But that too may be generational as well as regional, my friend was 20 years older than I.

-- Mal

[RockRaven]

23. Based on personal experience, "freeway" as a synonym for interstate/highway is WC

and not EC. I've lived in CA (both north and south) most of my life and most people use all 3 words more or less interchangably, but I lived in MA for a few years and many of my colleagues who were native New Englanders would point it out every time I used "freeway."

But since that's a purely personal anecdote I'm not sure how correct I am about it; would welcome others chiming in.

[AmyStrange]

29. Freeway vs highway!

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Good one and thank you.
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[SharonClark]

40. Where I am, "freeway" is the portion of the interstate that goes thru the city

while "highway" is a major road between cities that may predate the interstate system.

Examples:
I-35 becomes I-235 (aka McVicar Freeway) when it goes thru Des Moines.
Highway 69 connects Des Moines to Ames. Highway 30 connects Ames to Cedar Rapids.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

62. I rarely hear "freeway" on the East Coast.

Occasionally, but not too often. It seems to be a lot in common usage on the West Coast.

Usually it's simply "highway" or sometimes "expressway."

I'm not even aware of any highways here in Florida which use "freeway" in their official title.

[Totally Tunsie]

94. Turnpike, too.

[AmyStrange]

98. Yup, turnpike is one I've heard, and...

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toll road also, although, the "turnpike" I lived near had actual toll booths, but no one used it for that reason.

They eventually took out the toll booths and called it an interstate, because that meant they could get federal money for it's upkeep.

WooHoo!
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[Brainfodder]

111. Wifey from Michigan

says "expressway."

[we can do it]

252. Expressway in NE Ohio, too.

[SharonClark]

24. Basement vs Cellar

Growing up in Iowa, we had a basement but our neighbors had a cellar. The basement was accessed by a staircase in the house but the cellar was accessed by a outside door at the ground level, like the cellar door in the Wizard of Oz.

[AmyStrange]

27. Yup, storm cellar...

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makes sense, and thank you.
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[malthaussen]

119. The provenance of "cellar" is from "root cellar."

Because it was a cool room under the house where one stored root vegetables and other comestibles. Later applied to "storm cellars" where one had to cower when the tornadoes came by.

-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

121. Yup, that was my understanding also, but...

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most of my family calls anything under the house a cellar, unless it's a family room (pool table, bar etc.)

Anyway, thank you once again.
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[Guilded Lilly]

74. Perfect description. We had both but all in one house! n/t

[Sneederbunk]

25. Some on the EC have trouble pronouncing Oregon.

Orygun not Orygone.

[AmyStrange]

28. Orygone?

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Jeesum, even I know how to pronounce that.
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[Iggo]

85. In SoCal we pronounce Oregon like organ, but with a slight drag on the first syllable.

[rickford66]

31. Big differences between North and South.

Also within some States. I grew up in NEPA and was amused by the differences in language by my new friends at PSU, the vast majority being PA residents.

[AmyStrange]

38. Yup, north and south have their vagaries also...

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I also lived in the South while in the Air Force.
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[AmyStrange]

33. Sub vs Grinder...

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I think that's another one, but then again, my family is crazy.

I think they call them Hoagies down South, but I could be wrong.
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[yonder]

48. or a Hero. I think that comes from Gyro,

which my greek wife pronounces Yee-roh with kind of a roll on the r.

[AmyStrange]

55. yup, Hero and gyro are two I've heard before, and...

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thank you.
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[SharonClark]

35. This is likely true in other states, but in Iowa we have town names like. . .

Peru (pronounced PEE-roo)
Madrid (pronounced MAD-drid)
Nevada (pronounced Nuh-VAY-duh)
Elkader (pronounced el-KA-dir). BTW, The city is named after a Muslim Algerian leader, Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri. When the community was platted in 1846, the founders decided to name it for the young Algerian who was leading his people in resisting the French conquest of Algeria.

[AmyStrange]

44. Interesting (it is, really), and...

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did you know that there's a town in North Carolina called Bat Cave!
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[yonder]

57. The 'Arkansaw River becomes Our-'Kanzass River

as soon as it crosses into Kanzass from Colorado and I imagine it becomes the 'Arkansaw again upon leaving.

Must be a Kansas/Arkansas thing.

[AmyStrange]

77. Is it really KansASS?

[yonder]

79. gotta be from the same Indian word - Arkansas and Kansas

I lived in Wichita briefly in the mid-70's and that was the first thing I was corrected on. It's not the Arkansas River, it's pronounced Our-Kansas River.

[AmyStrange]

81. Kansas in Arkansas and Kansas aren't even pronounced the same, and...

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you think they would since the spelling is similar, but nooooooooooo.

Never noticed that before and thank you..
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[malthaussen]

123. "Cairo" in Illinois is pronounced "Kayro." n/t

[yellowdogintexas]

190. Acouple from KY

Cadiz pronounced KAYdeez
Versailles pronounced VerSAYles
and the ever popular Louisville pronounced LU-uh-vul

Cairo (IL) pronounced KAYro like the syrup

oh and the New Madrid Fault is pronounced New MADrid also.

[doc03]

36. We call the interstates I 70 or the interstate in LA

it's The 101. A creek is a crick. Uenz. Coke is pop.
NY it's Soda.

[SharonClark]

41. In old days, there was supposedly a divide in Iowa south of Des Moines.

Southern Iowans talked more like Missourians.
Northern Iowans talked more like Minnesotans.

I have no idea where Senator Grassley got his marble mouth, chewy way of talking.

[doc03]

43. In Ohio I70 is the dividing line for a southern acsent. nt

[bamagal62]

60. In the south,

Every pop or soda is a coke!

[area51]

93. Pop vs. Soda:

the site

[AmyStrange]

103. That is definitely THE SITE, and...

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thank you for sharing.
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[Rhiannon12866]

195. That's the one that I was thinking about. My little cousin from Colorado ordered "pop"

When we were out. The waiter had absolutely no idea what she meant - since we call it "soda" here in New York.

[tblue37]

153. Yeah. You hear people say, " What kind of coke do you want? Sprite? 7-up? Root beer? "

[lpbk2713]

251. In Central Florida we usually said cold drink for carbonated bevs.

Some times we would say Coke. Even for a 7-Up.

[yonder]

42. A couple more:

W creek/crik or E brook?
W underwear or E underpants?
W hills or E mountains?

Is it soda, soda pop, pop or soft drink?
Is it sofa, couch or davenport?

Denver was our home base growing up, but we chased my Air Force dad around enough that a lot of words have no location meaning for me.

Also, Easterners have a funny way of pronouncing both Oregon and Nevada which always gives them away.

[AmyStrange]

46. All good stuff, and since I'm from New England, another tip off is...

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the overuse of the letter r, as in ideaR.

I always get snagged for that one.
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[yonder]

50. yes, good one. a drawing becomes a drawring

[AmyStrange]

52. Weirdly enough, Bostonians take the R out of garbage...

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Please, take out the gaaabage!
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[Kali]

54. in the southwest we don't have creeks, cricks, or brooks

we have washes (usually dry) and arroyos (likewise). also gullies (same)

[AmyStrange]

56. Yup, I lived in Arizona for a spell, and...

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if I remember correctly, they even put the names of dry river beds on maps.

Some people even used them for riding their bikes (and cars)... until it started raining.

A lot of people got washed away and drowned because it.
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[yonder]

59. Yup, gullies are probably used more than washes up here in S. Idaho.

I think of criks as usually having water and gullies as usually dry.

[malthaussen]

127. Known as "Wadis" in Arabic...

... one wonders if there is some convoluted connection between "Wadi" and "Wash."

-- Mal

[Kali]

133. yep and good question

another word I think is NW US - coulee

also gulch for the general list - I only know it from cheesy movies or location names, never heard anyone call a wash, canyon, or arroyo a gulch.

[yonder]

134. That's good. Or even Wadi Wade, as wade in the crick?

or dare I say, the origin of the Indo-European root of water?

[malthaussen]

198. But Arabic is not Indo-European.

I'm reasonably sure there is no connection but coincidence, but one never knows.

-- Mal

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

61. Creek/crik/brook, in VA some were called "runs"

I lived near Lubber Run and Four Mile Run.

Google says that Four Mile Run runs for about ten miles. Go figure.

[yonder]

67. "Runs". That's a new one for me.

from "running" a river?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

109. from etymonline.com, northern English dialect, 16th century

and there was a famous Civil War battle of Bull Run, in VA.

Hey, I learned something today.

[malthaussen]

125. Two, actually.

Union lost both.

-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

68. Which spelling is it, crik or crick?

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Regardless, I like the word crick (crik?)
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[JustABozoOnThisBus]

108. "Crick" is a good pronunciation, except ...

... when I wake with a "crick" in my neck.

[AmyStrange]

113. Forgot about that one, and...

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thank you for sharing.
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[AmyStrange]

114. Crik is the correct spelling...

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From the Urban Dictionary:

Crik
A body of running water that is smaller in width than a creek. Often found in low-level land and is typically fed by either a small spring or snow melt.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crik
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[malthaussen]

128. Names like that are usually referring to the distance from a reference point...

... and not the length of the feature. You see this often in roads, "Ten mile road" got called that because it was ten miles from the White Horse Tavern, or some such.

-- Mal

[yonder]

138. +1.

[yellowdogintexas]

192. don't be ridiculous - all of them are Coke nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

45. All of those WC words are more commonly used in the Midwest as well.

[AmyStrange]

47. I seem to get that also n/t

[wishstar]

63. I'm lifelong ECoaster and have always used what you label as WC terminology

Have never heard bureau or elastics in any place I've lived in NE or SE

[AmyStrange]

65. I'm blaming my family, because...

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there's no way in hell I'm wrong!

Pfffffffffffffft!


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[AmyStrange]

66. Which one do you use, bag or sack for groceries?

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And, thank you.
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[smirkymonkey]

69. I love threads like this!

I think it's so interesting to compare how different things are from region to region. And even from country to country. Like on Buzz Feed, they always have these pieces about what people from certain countries find strange about the US and vice versa.

As long as people don't get nasty and start to feel superior about it. I just think the differences are interesting, that's all.

[AmyStrange]

71. Exactly, and

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thank you for sharing!
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[yonder]

139. Ditto. What you said.

[targetpractice]

70. Swimming Pool vs. Cement Pond n/t

[AmyStrange]

72. Cement pond is a new one on me, and...

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also reminds me of the Sopranos for some reason?

Anyway, thank you.
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[targetpractice]

75. It's from The Beverly Hillbillies...

The 60s TV show where folks from Appalachia wind up living in a mansion in Beverly Hills. I was being cheeky....

I thought the show was hilarious, and "cement pond" (pronounced as 'SEE-ment pond') always cracked me up... There were many others...

"Vittles" for food.
"Double barrel slingshot" for a woman's bra.
"Ciphering" for doing math.
"Double naught spy" for a James "007" Bond spy type characters.

[AmyStrange]

76. I remember all those (except cement pond), and...

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I laughed at them too. Ah, good memories.

What also links it to this thread (in a funny way) is that the BH moved from the EC to the WC.

"The kin folk said, Jed move away from there!
Californey is the place you ought to be!"

Question is are they hillbillies or mountaineers?

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[malthaussen]

129. "Vittles" is actually "victuals," a word of long usage.

Now archaic. "Backward" regions like the Appalachians frequently use archaic words and phrases.

-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

165. Vittles IS easier to say...

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That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it!
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[abqtommy]

78. I used to live in California and I learned this there. I spent a weekend in the city of Lompoch.

Some people said LOM-poke and others said lom-puck. And in the area where a lot of nuts are
grown some people said ALL-munds while others said amm-unds. I like mine smoked.

Let's call the whole thing off!

[AmyStrange]

80. All-munds is my choice.

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Amm-unds sounds lazy?
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[Codeine]

173. Definitely.

Dropping the L sounds dim-witted, to be honest.

[AmyStrange]

182. Codeine is my choice also n/t

[yonder]

140. My mom lived there for a spell (for a while). couldn't help it.

I forgot how she said it but was opposite of how I thought it should be pronounced.

[rurallib]

83. the large sitting furniture in the living room

Davenport?
Sofa?
Chesterfield?

I am in Iowa and it was always a davenport.

[AmyStrange]

84. I've used sofa and couch, but...

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not the other two.

I know what Davenport means, but have never used it (until now).

Chesterfield, I've read in books when the author uses it to describe someone's furnishings, and now I know what it means.

Yay!

Thank you.
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[Iggo]

86. Couch.

[Kali]

135. do they make them in Davenport?

(my Father's Mother was from there and she called her good sofa/couch a davenport)

[GoneOffShore]

210. Settee.

[wnylib]

87. Variations in word use and pronunciation

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from one region to another are pretty common.

I grew up in the east, in northwestern PA, and we said teeter totter, rubber band, and cellar. Like other posters here, we had a room below the house that was the basement. There was a room off of the basement that had a door to close it off. That room was the cellar, where my mother stored home canned veggies and fruit.

When I was 10, a new family from a small town in southwestern PA, near Pittsburgh, moved into the neighborhood. They called our city street a road, dragging out the vowels to sound like "ou" insted of "oa." It was a quiet street without much traffic, so in the evening, their oldest girl and I practiced tennis shots in the street on the smooth pavement. Her mother yelled at us, "Y'uns git outta the roooud." Y'uns is common in SW PA.

When I was a high school senior, we visited my brother in Philadelphia and I shopped for my prom dress, which we called a "formal" in my home town at the other end of the state. The store clerk did not know what I meant until I said it was for my prom. "Oh," she said. "You mean a gown." They also said soda while we said pop.

All in the same state. 2 hours east of my PA city, my cousins in Buffalo, NY had a "Buffalo twang." The word "car" sounded like "care" and "hot" sounded like "hat." That twang has mostly disappeared from Buffalo now.

I heard my favorite story about word use in college. Two girls who were Swedish exchange students told us that they learned British English at home. So in the US they shocked a boy in their class by asking him if they could borrow a "rubber." In British English, that's an eraser.

[AmyStrange]

89. Interesting info and a funny story too!

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Two for the price of one and thank you for sharing.
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[Totally Tunsie]

95. Bubbler and water fountain

Milkshake or Cabinet
Subs, Heroes, Grinders
Hellmann's or Best Foods

[AmyStrange]

96. I've used WF, Milkshake and Grinders, but...

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now I use Subs instead of the big G!

Never heard a MS called a cabinet, but I have used both Hellman's and Best Foods.

Yay!

Thank you.
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[Totally Tunsie]

97. Cabinet may be limited to the lovely state

of Rhode Island.

In RI, a milkshake is basically just frothed milk and flavorings. Throw in a scoop of ice cream before blending, and it's a cabinet.

[AmyStrange]

99. That's where I was born (Lying-In Hospital/Women & Infants), and...

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I also lived five miles away in Connecticut for almost 20 years, but I've still never heard them called cabinets.

I should text my sister. She still lives there in Cumberland. She must've heard of that before.

ETA: Yes, RI is a very lovely state.
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[Totally Tunsie]

100. The first time I heard it was when I arrived in Providence

to start college. I grew up in SW Connecticut - only 2.5 hours away - but had never heard the term.

Let me know what your sister says.

[AmyStrange]

101. I lived in the quiet corner (the Putnam, Killingly, and Plainfield area), but...

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I will let you know what she says.

We used to run to RI after 8 (or was it 6?) for liquor, because when I lived there, the package stores in RI were open later.

Package stores is another one that no one out here in Seattle has ever heard of before either. Liquor sales used to be state run, but not any more.
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[3catwoman3]

226. On military bases, liquor is sold in...

...package stores.

[AmyStrange]

227. I've only been on 3 AF bases and I honestly don't remember that, but you might be right

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...and it's probably for the same reason as Connecticut. By law, the alcohol has to be packaged before it leaves the store.

This is based on just a very vague memory, so chances are, I'm probably wrong.
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[AmyStrange]

197. She told me that you're right, and...

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to further muddy the waters, they're also called Frappes (Starbucks also uses that term), but milk shakes also exist.

The difference is that a Cabinet has ice cream, while a milk shake doesn't.

She also told me that the reason it's called a Cabinet is because that's where all the ingredients are.

Interesting stuff, and thank you for starting this mini thread!
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[Totally Tunsie]

201. Word origins (or "orgenans" as Chump would say)

can be such fun!

[AmyStrange]

202. Yup. Package Stores, for example, is derived from (I think)...

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the fact that in Connecticut (by law), alcohol had to be packaged in a paper bag before it left the store.
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[yellowdogintexas]

193. in Massachusetts, you have to order a frappe to get the ice cream

and it is pronounced 'frap' not frappe`

and carbonated beverages are often referred to as 'tonic'

If you look at The Site and hover over The Commonwealth (God Love It) of Massachusetts you will see a lot of 'other' in the listings. That is probably tonic

[AmyStrange]

102. Package stores is another one...

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at least no one in Seattle knew was I was talking about.

Washington liquor stores were once state run, but not any more!
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[Totally Tunsie]

104. Hit 'em with "packie", the MA and RI nickname.

[AmyStrange]

105. Christ, they already think I'm talking about a store that sells boxes...

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Packie will just send them over the edge.

They'll probably think I'm talking about a store that sells guns!

Ha ha ha and thank you.
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[Totally Tunsie]

106. Just be sure you're not misunderstood by someone

of Pakistani heritage! You don't want them to think you're mocking them.

[AmyStrange]

107. Never even thought of that one, and...

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that would definitely not be pretty!
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[malthaussen]

130. In PA they were State Stores.

But they've been privatized.

A rite-of passage in the Philly suburbs in the early 70s was to take the toll-free bridge in New Hope across the Delaware into NJ (the only toll-free bridge on the river) and cruise the bars/buy booze, because in Jersey the drinking age was 18 and the bars made bank out of underage kids coming over to get plastered. Useful trivia if you ever write a story about a teenager in the Philly suburbs in the 70s. PA lowered the drinking age later, but I believe now it's back to 21.



-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

131. Used to be called State Liquor Stores here in Washington State, but...

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like Pennsylvania, we changed that a few years ago by referendum (Costco had a lot to do with that one).

Just about every state in the US had the drinking age at 18, because of Vietnam. Voting was lowered to 18 for the same reason.

"You can go get killed in Vietnam, but you can't vote or drink?" That was the arguement.

Of course, most states changed the drinking age to 21 later, because of a the increase in DWI cases and accidents by young people.

Side note: When I joined the Air Force in 1973 at 17, I could drink anywhere on base, although if I remember correctly, liquor wasn't available unless you could get into an officer's club.

Thanks for that teenager story (we had the same thing going on in Connecticut when I was young), and I'll try to remember it for future books.

Anyway, thank you.
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[Codeine]

174. Package what now? nt

[AmyStrange]

178. ha ha ha

[Codeine]

179. I honestly don't know what that is. nt

[AmyStrange]

183. It's a liquor store...

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Back in Connecticut, a Package Store is where you bought all your ALCOHOL!!

I think the name derives from the fact that (by law) they have to package everything in paper bags before you left the store, but I maybe wrong.
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[Codeine]

185. Ah! That makes sense. nt

[zanana1]

110. We used to call overshoes "rubbers".

That would be embarrassing today. I'm on the East Coast with French Canadian influences.

[AmyStrange]

112. My whole family is French Canadian, and yup, we used rubbers too.

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Good one, by the way, and thank you.
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[malthaussen]

117. My personal favorite...

Until I was ten, I lived in Pittsburgh. Dialect in that region calls carbonated soft drinks "pop." A "soda" is carbonated water, ice cream, and flavored syrup.

Moved to Philly. Dialect in that region uses "soda" indistinguishably. My grandmother asked me if I wanted a soda, I said "Yes, strawberry."

-- Mal

[AmyStrange]

120. Here is the PERFECT site for that question...

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It shows (with a graphic map) where each word is used (including Coke):

http://popvssoda.com/

Another poster in this thread supplied us with it.

Anyway, thank you again.
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[targetpractice]

136. NY Times: How Y'all, Youse and You Guys Talk

This is a fun quiz about this topic... If it was posted earlier in the thread, I apologize... Enjoy, ya'll...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz-map.html

[AmyStrange]

142. No it wasn't, and...

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thank you for sharing.

Awesome link, by the way.
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[consider_this]

137. handbag/bag vs purse vs pocketbook

Have not heard pocketbook after leaving New England.

[AmyStrange]

143. After leaving NE, I haven't heard the word pocketbook either.

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Good one and thank you for sharing.
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[yonder]

141. Got one more:

Poin-setta or Poin-set-tia? It was always the first, no matter where I lived, then about 10-15 years ago I started hearing it with the second pronunciation, especially when referencing the football bowl game.

This has been a fun thread, thanks AS.

[AmyStrange]

144. Poin-set-tia is definitely an odd pronunciation, but...

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like you, I've only used the first one.

I've heard the "Poin-set-tia" version before, but mostly from people who tend to try and annunciate words precisely.

Anyway, you're welcome and thank YOU sharing also.
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[Codeine]

175. I've never heard it other than point-set-tia.

I mean, there’s an “ia” right there.

[yonder]

186. There ya go.

I'll take a stab and say set-tia is an east or southeast pronunciation? although I think the bowl game is in the west which would dash my theory.

[Codeine]

187. Im from California.

There are probably plenty of folks who say it the wrong way here, but honestly how many times do you hear people say it? On those occasions I have it’s been the full pronunciation.

[yonder]

189. I mostly grew up and lived in the inland west

so I'll suggest the dividing line for set-tia is somewhere between Colorado and the West Coast. And you're right about it's limited use: the holidays is about it.

[consider_this]

145. lest you forget 'wicked'

used as an adverb in NE, I take it to mean 'extreme' or 'intense' as in

That drink was wicked good. That coaster was wicked fast.

and here i employ both meanings of the word:

POTUS is wicked wicked.

[AmyStrange]

146. Ha ha ha

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Good one and thank you for sharing.
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[AmyStrange]

147. Mad is also used in the same way...

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That was mad good!

That was mad awesome!

Or how about crazy?

That was crazy good!

That was crazy awesome!

They probably have the same meaning as you explained.
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[tblue37]

148. Soda vs. pop.

[AmyStrange]

154. Yup, good one, and here's an awesome site for that...

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http://popvssoda.com/

Thank you and 37 was my house number when I was a kid.
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[tblue37]

149. Margarine vs oleo.

[tblue37]

150. Curtains vs. drapes.

[AmyStrange]

158. Never call them drapes...

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In one of the "Cat Who..." books I read, Qwilleran (a journalist who's forced to do a beat on interior designers) is told in not so many words that they're called draperies, and never, ever, call them drapes.

Personally, I don't care, but I've heard both terms before (including draperies), and I actually like curtains better.

Thanks... again!
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[AmyStrange]

155. I've heard the word oleo before, but...

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not as a substitute for margarine.

I prefer margarine.
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[tblue37]

157. The word "margarine" is just a shortened form of "oleomargarine." nt

[AmyStrange]

159. When I started reading your title, I was thinking the same thing, and you're right.

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It's in our nature to shorten words for faster speaking, and by that logic, oleo should be the word of choice.

Which one do you use more often?
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[tblue37]

161. I never use "oleo,"but older relatives did--but that was in the 1950s & 1960s. nt

[Codeine]

188. My grandpa always said the whole thing,

“Oleomargarine.” He also insisted that it was better before they added the yellow coloring that made it look more like butter. Evidently it was originally sold with the color in a little dollop on top and you had to mix it in to keep the dairy lobby happy.

[tblue37]

151. Garage vs. carport.

[AmyStrange]

156. Very interesting

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I've heard both before, but mostly I've noticed that a carport refers to one that doesn't have walls, or just a roof.

That's just me, but thanks for sharing.
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[Codeine]

177. Here in California those are two very different things.

A carport is just a covered parking spot, generally an aluminum roof structure on wood or aluminum uprights. A garage is a fully-enclosed building, attached or freestanding, with a door.

[AmyStrange]

180. That's the way I understand it also.

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Although, I had an uncle who had a carport, but called it a garage. The walls just weren't finished yet.

Like I said a couple times here, my family's crazy, and I'm the nut that rolled far, far away from them.
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[AmyStrange]

164. What's a "Sitting Room"?

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While reading the new Cormoran Strike book, Robin and him are directed up the stairs to the Sitting Room.

Is this a British thing?

Aren't ALL rooms Sitting Rooms?

I'm going to call my bathroom the Sitting Room from now on, because that's where I do ALL my serious thinking and sitting (not shitting, you perverts)!

Ha ha ha
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[consider_this]

167. Like a parlor, perhaps?

Don't know for sure.

I will say a few of my pals have referred to the toilet as the 'sitter', but the bathroom as the throne room - LOL!

[AmyStrange]

170. Parlor vs Living Room vs Sitting Room

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You might be right, but I call it the Living Room.

Are you sure your pals aren't calling it the shitter, and you're just not hearing the h?

Throne room is definitely another word for bathroom that I've heard, but mostly without the "room" part.

"Where's the freakin' throne? I've gotta take one hell of a leak, damn it! Empty my one-eyed monster dragon, if you know what I mean?"

Anyway, thank you.
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[AmyStrange]

166. Bathroom vs Lavatory (or Lav for short), and...

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that's not all. There's also restroom, potty, toilet, honey bucket, water closet and loo, although those last two are from the UK, I think?

From now on, I'm calling mine the Sitting Room (not to be confused with the shitting room), because I sit and think about a lot of serious things in there!
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[progressive nobody]

168. Forget East coast/West Coast. We in PA have E vs W and the great Soda vs Pop debate.

[AmyStrange]

171. The GREAT soda vs pop debate!

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Check this site out:

http://popvssoda.com/
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[consider_this]

172. Tag sale vs Garage Sale vs Yard Sale

Only know of tag sales when in NE.

everywhere else, I think use the others.

[AmyStrange]

176. Yup, I've heard all three, but...

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I use yard sale more than anything.

Although, when you think about it, no one's really selling their garage or yard, are they?

Tag sale actually makes more sense.

I once had a garage sale outside of a garage (it was part of my apartment rental), and along with everything else, I even priced the garage (a million dollars, take it or leave it). I mean really, if you're going to have a garage sale, it doesn't make any sense not to at least try and sell the garage.

That reminded me of another one, flea markets on the EC, but I can't remember what they called them in Arizona. I've seen advertisements for flea markets out here in Seattle, but haven't really paid a whole lot of attention to that particular phenomenon.

Anyway, good ones and thank you.
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[Codeine]

181. We call flea markets "swap meets" here.

There are people who make a decent living selling all manner of cheap knockoff shoes and airbrushed tshirts at those places.

[AmyStrange]

184. SWAP MEET! That's the name I was looking for...

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thank you, thank you, and thank you again!
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[lpbk2713]

250. I've some times but not often heard bazaar for an individual sale.

Don't know if it's a regional thing. But from what I have heard of its usage before
it has been applied to a more organized event with several people offering things
for sale. Like a church bazaar or a club or a small community.

[IcyPeas]

194. Buttered roll

[AmyStrange]

196. ???

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I need more clues?
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[Dem2theMax]

209. Not so much a difference in words as in a descriptive phrase.

In Southern California, probably most of California, if someone asks you 'how far is it from point A to point B,' someone in California will answer in hours and minutes.

There is no point in telling someone how many miles they will have to drive to get from point A to point B. Miles have nothing to do with traffic, something we have in abundance. So the question is always answered in how long it will actually take you to get there.

I think elsewhere in the country, people will tell you how many miles it is between two points.

In California, we would say it will take you two and a half hours to get there. And we probably have absolutely no clue as to the mileage. LOL!

And it all depends on the specific freeway. Some are much worse than others!

[AmyStrange]

211. Is it because of traffic?

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Especially LA. I've heard stories about how bad the traffic is in THAT town.
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[Dem2theMax]

212. Yes, 100% because of traffic!

Los Angeles will probably always be the worst. But other areas have caught up. Any major city will have really bad traffic.

[AmyStrange]

213. Absolutely! Seattle is also on the way to becoming one...

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Even when they fix something, it just makes things worse.

The Mercer Mess, West Seattle Bridge, and the new tunnel, but LA is a whole different problem.

Too many people with too many cars, in my opinion.
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[AmyStrange]

214. I wouldn't want to be an ambulance driver there, or...

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be someone who needed one!
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[NNadir]

215. I was born and raised East Coast, but used all the words attributed to West Coast.

I lived on the West Coast for many years, and don't recall these distinctions.

Maybe in Central/Northern California they existed, but not in Southern California to my knowledge.

Of course, I've lived in New Jersey for 1/4 of a century, and still don't know what a "Jersey accent is" nor can I remotely grasp the difference between North Jersey and South Jersey accents and cultures.

[AmyStrange]

216. I've come to that conclusion also, but...

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the resulting thread was still very, very interesting, and thank you for adding to it.
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[Laffy Kat]

217. And then, there is The South and a whole other ballgame. nt

[AmyStrange]

218. Yup, it's not just EC vs WC, but sometimes within the same state, and...

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the same damn city.

It's really fascinating and thank you for sharing.
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[jmowreader]

219. A couple I've noticed

Carbonated soft drink:
East Coast: Soda
West Coast: Pop

Thing you move your purchases around in at the grocery store:
West Coast: Cart
East Coast: Trolley
South: Buggy

Current occupant of the White House:
American Redoubt, Deep South, and Midwest farm country: The greatest president who ever lived
The rest of the nation: That fucking idiot

[AmyStrange]

220. Have I got a website for you...

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http://popvssoda.com/

I totally agree with the last one, especially the "fucking" part, and thanks for the laugh.
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[AmyStrange]

221. Rubber bands vs Elastics FINAL update

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It seems that most everyone says rubber bands, except the French, because the French word for rubber bands is elastique.

Haven't looked it up yet, but it makes sense, and my sister knows a hell of a lot more French than I do.

Despite have ten years of it in grade school (including one in college), and despite being French (and every damn one of my relatives knowing how to speak it), I can't speak a word of it.

Except for the ones everyone knows, like de-ja-vu.
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[lagomorph777]

222. Lifelong East Coaster here. I've always used all your "West coast" terms.

Some of what you call East Coast terms are completely alien to me. Which continent are you from the East coast of?

[AmyStrange]

225. I'm from New England, French and that's why they're alien to you...

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I've learned a lot in this thread.
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[DFW]

228. The so-called "east coast" terms you cite are not universally used all over the east

I was born and grew up in northern Virginia. My parents were also from the east. We used NONE of those terms you attribute to the East Coast--HOWEVER, I heard them ALL used the first time I visited the Boston area--but never in New York or points south. I've written only one novel, and it took place in 21st century Southern California, 19th century France and 18th century Virginia, so I was pursuing completely different sets of vocabularies. In the case of 18th century Virginia, in particular, I had to be especially careful. The word "technology" was not yet in use then, which I almost missed.

[AmyStrange]

230. I know that now, because of this thread, but...

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writing a story from the past IS a bit of a problem, and I don't envy you.

Good luck, though, and thank you for sharing.
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[DFW]

237. I think it turned out alright, anyway. This was almost ten years ago.

As much as the language part was interesting, the real challenge was trying not to bury the reader in useless facts that are second nature to me, but of no interest to the typical layman. I therefore turned things around, and made the main theme something about which I knew nothing whatsoever, which was vintage wine. That way, I was as much a novice as anyone reading the novel. As long as I wasn't bored, I felt there was less chance a reader would be bored. At any rate, one of my favorite comments was from none other than Spider-Man creator, Stan Lee: "I hate you! Now I can't even look at a glass of wine without thinking of your fershlugginer story!"

[AmyStrange]

240. What's the name of your book?

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Stan Lee was probably joking, although, you have to admit it was an interesting review.

Anyway, thanks again.
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[DFW]

242. Of course he was joking. Stan was ALWAYS joking!

He had more wisecracks per hour than most can come up with in a month! One time, when we had arranged to have lunch together in L.A., and finally set the date, he emailed me “July 31, a day which will live in infamy.”

[DFW]

243. Oh, I forgot

My book is called “The Time Cellar.” A few on DU have read it. You can ask Panader0 or California Peggy for comments.

[AmyStrange]

246. Just got it... sounds interesting, but...

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the e-bool format is horrible.

It took me three times to get mine right with Amazon.
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[3catwoman3]

229. My dad grew up in Chicago. He used to call jelly-filled...

...doughnuts “bismarcks.” When we moved to Rochester NY when I was 8, we went to a very popular dairy and bakery place near our house. He went to the doughnut counter and asked for bismarcks. No one had any idea what he was talking about.

He “warshed” things, windows had window “seals,” and he pronounced our new town as Rock-chester.

[AmyStrange]

231. Bismarck is a new one on me, but so was a Cabinet, and...

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I lived in RI for a while.

A Cabinet is a milk shake with ice cream and other stuff in it.

Do they call ALL jelly-filled doughnuts Bismarcks in Chicago?
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[LanternWaste]

232. 'Thread master' is a new one on me too.

[AmyStrange]

233. I used that once, calling myself the thread master...

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because I started the thread, but there's also a exercise machine by that name.

I was also told that using "master" was racist, and I even started a thread about it, but my conclusion was that it isn't ALWAYS a racist remark.

It depends on the intent, but thank you for sharing.
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[3catwoman3]

235. I have no idea. I did look it up, and it is...

...a midwest "thing," historically due to immigrants from central Europe and in honor of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck.

[AmyStrange]

236. I like reading the history of names and...

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why certain words are used to describe certain things,.

Thank you.
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[DFW]

238. In Germany, where I now live, a jelly-filled donut is called "ein Berliner."

Maybe they were a favorite of Otto von Bismarck, the German statesman who was from an area next to Berlin. All over Germany, any pastry shop will offer jelly-filled donuts, and if you want one, you ask for "Berliner."

Many foods in Germany bear the names of locations that made them famous. Various sausages are named for cities, such as Nürnberger for Nuremberg sausages, or Frankfurter for Frankfurt sausages.

It is a quirk of German grammar that if you say you are a person from a certain city, you leave out the article. If you are from Frankfurt, you would say, "ich bin Frankfurter." If you say, "ich bin ein Frankfurter," you are saying, "I am a hot dog." A famous address in 1963 would have been more accurate if the speaker had said "Ich bin Berliner" for obvious reasons.

[AmyStrange]

239. So JFK said he was a hot dog, huh?

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Ok, that's funny, but I've never heard that before. I wonder why?

Thanks for the small grammar lesson, but let me ask you, are Germans as nit-picky as the French on how things are said?

I've never been to France, but I do have a friend there who says many of them will criticize you (not everyone of course) for speaking un-grammatical French (or use English words like the internet), or just laugh at you.

Anyway, thank you for sharing.
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[DFW]

241. I was down in France just yesterday

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While my French is now close to native fluency, when I first started going there, it was anything but. Not once was I EVER mocked for imperfections in my speech. Indeed, they were always appreciative of my efforts to speak their language. France is a nation FULL of immigrants, and those people who speak incorrect French hardly even raise an eyebrow.

As for JFK, he never said he was a hot dog. He said he was a jelly-filled donut.

Germans are quite used to immigrants as well, which is normal for a large, relatively affluent country that borders on nine others, six of which are mostly not German-speaking. Many people find German to be grammatically more challenging than French. I find most Germans to be extremely tolerant of immigrants or other foreigners speaking their language with less than native fluency.

[AmyStrange]

244. I'm not saying they're all like that, but

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my friend told me that some are polite, until you turn your back.

He's one of those who like to criticize.
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[DFW]

247. I understand French and German just fine

If they're going to trash me behind my back, they had better wait until my back is some distance away.

I was once with an American colleague in a hotel in Zürich, Switzerland that tended to cater to upper end businesspeople. We stood out like a sore thumb, as we were in jeans, crummy shoes and no ties. In line for the breakfast buffet, two German business types, dressed in super-expensive looking suits, heard us speaking English together, and made a derogatory comment (in German) about the place being a magnet for American tourists. I could tell by his tone that he didn't mean it as a compliment. I turned around and said in German, "yeah, and just imagine, some of us are fluent in German." He started sputtering, "uh, er, well, that's not quite how I meant it." I said right, sure you didn't.

Another time, I was having breakfast in a hotel in The Hague with a Canadian colleague. He looked like a Taliban chief, but he was a Greek from Crete who had grown up in Canada. His dad had been a NATO general, but, again, we looked the part of a couple of American tourists (or worse) of the ignorant kind. My friend had married a Swedish woman, and had lived in Stockholm for 15 years. I had minored in it in college. We spoke English together, but we are both also fluent in Swedish. We got seated at a table across from an elderly couple from, of all places, Sweden. They cast a few disapproving glances at us, and made a few vague comments, but we didn't react. When the waiter didn't show to fill our coffee cups, the woman got impatient, and got up, went over to the coffee pot, and brought it over for her husband and herself. Despite herself, she remained the polite Scandinavian, and asked us, in English, if we would like some coffee, too. We said (in English) Yes, thanks very much. We then said, now in Swedish, "but you don't have to switch to English for us. We speak Swedish." They both nearly fell off their chairs. "You speak Swedish?" I chimed in, "oh, sure. We both speak Swedish." From the look on their faces, we could tell they were REALLY relieved they hadn't said anything too negative about us.

[AmyStrange]

248. Ha, ha, far, far away, huh?

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There are jerks everywhere, even France.
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[DFW]

249. No place holds a monopoly n/t

[AmyStrange]

245. Ha, ha, I was just thinking that JFK could also mean...

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Jelly-Filled Kennedy
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