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First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:09 PM Nov 2020

What sequels were better than the original...? (Any medium)

I can think of two: The Lord of the Rings, and Ulysses. Both were expansions of interesting, if relatively modest, works. Both brought the concepts of the originals to new, and unimaginable, heights. And--interestingly enough--both were followed by very "difficult" books that appeal to only a select few--The Silmarillion, and Finnegan's Wake. Who can think of any others? Most sequels have obvious limitations, which Tolkien and Joyce managed to avoid...

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What sequels were better than the original...? (Any medium) (Original Post) First Speaker Nov 2020 OP
Movie: The Gods Must be Crazy II Walleye Nov 2020 #1
Godfather sequels better than the first (Part II generally believed the best) hlthe2b Nov 2020 #2
I think Godfather is close enought exboyfil Nov 2020 #15
The Return of the Pink Panther. pdxflyboy Nov 2020 #3
I have always thought "Huckleberry Finn" was better than "Tom Sawyer" Glorfindel Nov 2020 #4
Yes! Excellent choice! First Speaker Nov 2020 #5
Huck Finn has the same relationship to Tom Sawyer exboyfil Nov 2020 #12
Terminator 2 Thunderbeast Nov 2020 #6
Totally agree soothsayer Nov 2020 #8
Nothing guilty about enjoying a top 10 science fiction movie exboyfil Nov 2020 #14
Empire Strikes Back, Aliens...nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #7
Aliens in my opinion is a "Great Action Adventrue Film." Alien...just fair.. Stuart G Nov 2020 #25
The Exorcist 3, the one with George C. Scott, may not have been better than 1, but it was Squinch Nov 2020 #9
Very underrated exboyfil Nov 2020 #11
Yeah. That one was a dog. Squinch Nov 2020 #16
Is that the one with the head-lopping scissors happybird Nov 2020 #18
The Dark Knight exboyfil Nov 2020 #10
Funny I thought you met the Greek Ulysses until exboyfil Nov 2020 #13
I much prefer The Iliad. Among my all time favorites. Midnight Writer Nov 2020 #17
Both Dawn of the Dead versions are great exboyfil Nov 2020 #20
I felt emotion for each of the fallen heroes in The Iliad. It was a tremendous tragedy. Midnight Writer Nov 2020 #22
Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan Generic Brad Nov 2020 #19
As far as being a huge step above the first movie exboyfil Nov 2020 #21
If you consider the movie as the sequel to the book flotsam Nov 2020 #23
Superman 2. Hard to remember, but far better than 1, that I do remember... Stuart G Nov 2020 #24
Borderlands 2 Ohio Joe Nov 2020 #26
Got to add in this..."Empire Strikes Back" may be the greatest sequel ever.. Stuart G Nov 2020 #27

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
15. I think Godfather is close enought
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:43 PM
Nov 2020

to Godfather II. Godfather III is a drop in quality but still an entertaining film. It is often difficult to stick the landing on a trilogy (and of course they continue to break up great trilogies with substandard sequels).

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
12. Huck Finn has the same relationship to Tom Sawyer
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:34 PM
Nov 2020

as the Hobbit does to Lord of the Rings. You get a less serious sample of the world that will be visited in the serious work later. LOTR and Huck Finn belong in a top 10 list of English language novels.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
9. The Exorcist 3, the one with George C. Scott, may not have been better than 1, but it was
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:25 PM
Nov 2020

as good. And it was very underrated.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
11. Very underrated
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:32 PM
Nov 2020

Probably suffers from the atrocious Exorcist 2 which I saw without seeing the Exorcist when I was kid (boy was I confused).

happybird

(4,604 posts)
18. Is that the one with the head-lopping scissors
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 10:41 PM
Nov 2020

and the little old lady crawling on the ceiling? She freaked me out.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
10. The Dark Knight
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:31 PM
Nov 2020

Terminator 2

Mad Max 2 (Road Warrior)

Spiderman 2

X-2

Literature is really tough. I would argue that the Harry Potter books reached a high point around Goblet, but the later books are definitely better than the earlier books.

I think Storm of Swords is the best of A Song of Ice and Fire

Hound of the Baskervilles for Sherlock Holmes


exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
13. Funny I thought you met the Greek Ulysses until
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:40 PM
Nov 2020

I reread your post. Ulysses (or The Odyssey) is a superior work to the Iliad, but the two are very close.

I read Portrait in 11th grade when I had mono. It almost killed me. I have never revisited Joyce. I probably should. I had even forgotten than Ulysses was a sequel to Portrait. I know my English teacher would be disappointed in me. I have tried to supplement my genre fiction reading with more serious works over the years.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
17. I much prefer The Iliad. Among my all time favorites.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 10:20 PM
Nov 2020

Oh, and Dawn of the Dead was better than Night of the Dead but Day of the Dead sucked.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
20. Both Dawn of the Dead versions are great
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:44 PM
Nov 2020

You do have to appreciate the revolutionary nature of Night of the Living Dead. It stands with Shelley's Frankenstein and Stoker's Dracula as paradigm shifting.

No argument about Iliad. They are entirely different stories, but truly amazing how great they are and how much they represent the human condition even today over 3,000 years later.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
22. I felt emotion for each of the fallen heroes in The Iliad. It was a tremendous tragedy.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 12:45 AM
Nov 2020

I think it is a very human story.

Ulysses seemed more of a fantasy. Ulysses himself is the only character that matters. He's the archetype of modern "action heroes".

He slays all the bad guys and beds all the ladies, while all his sidekicks and teammates get killed around him.

It's fun, but didn't affect me as much as The Iliad.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
21. As far as being a huge step above the first movie
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:49 PM
Nov 2020

Yes. I can't believe I forgot it given it is my top five list of best science fiction movies. Current scriptwriters could take a lesson from it. Actually going back into TOS and using the villain showed love and respect for the original. It doesn't hurt you have the underappreciated Ricardo Montalbán chewing scenery at his finest. It is truly amazing that Kirk and Khan never meet in the movie. Wonderful editing and pacing.

So what the hell were they doing with the Kelvin timeline movies?

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
23. If you consider the movie as the sequel to the book
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:08 AM
Nov 2020

Then my point would be that Robin Williams seeing the plane crash into a house and then buying it explains his character in The World According to Garp almost better than the book.

Stuart G

(38,416 posts)
27. Got to add in this..."Empire Strikes Back" may be the greatest sequel ever..
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 06:20 PM
Nov 2020

It clearly created an opening to more Star Wars Films...

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