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What's this new way of ending spoken sentences on an upbeat? (Original Post) grumpyduck Dec 2020 OP
it has been going on for several years and it drives me nuts too also. AllaN01Bear Dec 2020 #1
It is asking for affirmation that the speaker is right. Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #2
Valley Girl style? Arne Dec 2020 #3
Baskin Johns C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #4
It is a way of asking for agreement. Sanity Claws Dec 2020 #5
Vocal fry. nt bbernardini Dec 2020 #8
That's it! Sanity Claws Dec 2020 #12
I think the term you are referring to is "vocal fry" RockRaven Dec 2020 #9
I didn't want to bring it up, grumpyduck Dec 2020 #10
Young women & teenage girls in populations are usually the first to introduce... targetpractice Dec 2020 #31
It's commonly known as "upspeak". bbernardini Dec 2020 #6
It is called Upspeak or Upward Inflection and is so annoying. Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #7
I heard myself do it recently in a moment of stress soothsayer Dec 2020 #15
You must be hanging out too much with the kids. :) Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #17
I don't hear it much in PA. femmocrat Dec 2020 #11
Yeah, a lot of people here do that too. grumpyduck Dec 2020 #13
So? Liberal and Proud Dec 2020 #25
That's nothing new. I first noticed it in younger women years ago. Fla Dem Dec 2020 #14
Right, to my ear it sounds fake and put on. Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Fla Dem Dec 2020 #16
I work with a woman that does that. ZenDem Dec 2020 #19
Canadians have been doing it for years, eh!? MichaelSoE Dec 2020 #20
yeah, eh? rurallib Dec 2020 #22
If you think that's weird, my 12-year-old son and his online buddies EarlG Dec 2020 #21
reminds me of the old Victor Borge routine "Phonetic Punctuation" rurallib Dec 2020 #24
That guy could have made people roll in the aisles grumpyduck Dec 2020 #26
I have an 11 year old son who plays Fortnite with his online friends. CottonBear Dec 2020 #39
That drives me as nutz as people who ask 2naSalit Dec 2020 #23
It's not new VA_Jill Dec 2020 #27
As a ex-Californian (decidedly not the all important "Native") I noticed it 35 years ago. NNadir Dec 2020 #28
Perhaps I'm just old and in need of a comprehensive hearing test Cirque du So-What Dec 2020 #29
I'm 57 OriginalGeek Dec 2020 #30
Uptalk trackfan Dec 2020 #32
Goes back to Valley Girls. Irritating last couple of years, starting everything with, "So..." UTUSN Dec 2020 #33
Japanese is much like that yuiyoshida Dec 2020 #34
Wow, thank you for taking the time to explain that! grumpyduck Dec 2020 #35
My husband noticed in Korean Marthe48 Dec 2020 #37
I noticed it years ago Marthe48 Dec 2020 #36
It's called upspeak or uptalk, and it's been around for quite awhile among certain subcultures. tblue37 Dec 2020 #38

AllaN01Bear

(18,194 posts)
1. it has been going on for several years and it drives me nuts too also.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:44 PM
Dec 2020

the other one that drives me crazy is using the letter n in front of words . have no example for you. have a grand day. another peve is the missspelling and missuse of the pronoun to and or too. and quiet as spellt like quite . the quite hours are from 0800 to 10 pm.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
2. It is asking for affirmation that the speaker is right.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:45 PM
Dec 2020

Annoys the hell out of me too. If you want my opinion, just ask for it.

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
5. It is a way of asking for agreement.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:47 PM
Dec 2020

Like adding "right?" at the of a sentence. I think that is what I heard. Have you noticed whether it is more common among women than men?

What gets me is the voice that comes from the back of the voice and makes the voice croaky. There is a specific term for this but I can't recall it now.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
31. Young women & teenage girls in populations are usually the first to introduce...
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 03:43 PM
Dec 2020

...and drive dialect deviations, accents, and linguistic styles... that are accepted over time. The vocal fry is a good example.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/science/young-women-often-trendsetters-in-vocal-patterns.html

Irish_Dem

(47,036 posts)
7. It is called Upspeak or Upward Inflection and is so annoying.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:49 PM
Dec 2020

Edited to add:

My daughter took a college linguistics class a couple of years ago and the professor said that language is always evolving and changing. Common usage may sound odd in the beginning, but then becomes the norm.

I hope Upspeak is just a fad, but who knows???

Irish_Dem

(47,036 posts)
17. You must be hanging out too much with the kids. :)
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:10 PM
Dec 2020

My daughter is very smart and has several degrees, one a graduate science degree.
She called me last year, she had to mail a real letter, and she asked me where she might
be able to buy a stamp.

I was floored and mortified, I must have failed at parenting.

I had to explain the US post office to her and where it is located.
She can buy a stamp and mail a letter there.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
11. I don't hear it much in PA.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:56 PM
Dec 2020

What I find annoying though is people starting every answer with “So...”. I heard some health professional on TV a couple of nights ago who started every reply that way as if she had to collect her thoughts first. Come prepared!

25. So?
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:41 PM
Dec 2020

I’ve noticed a lot of guests on the cable shows will begin with “so.” I think they’re just gathering their thoughts before answering the question/s put to them.

Fla Dem

(23,661 posts)
14. That's nothing new. I first noticed it in younger women years ago.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:00 PM
Dec 2020

It was a thing at the time, haven't heard it so much in a while. Thought it made the women sound somewhat phoney. or if they were trying to sound "with it".

Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

ZenDem

(442 posts)
19. I work with a woman that does that.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:15 PM
Dec 2020

She's very condescending. She speaks to everyone like she would to a toddler. Her sentences all seem to be asking, "Are you listening?", "Do I need to speak slower?", "Are you smart enough to understand my great intelligence?" She stopped talking to me that way when I returned the favor, slightly exaggerated. Heh...

EarlG

(21,947 posts)
21. If you think that's weird, my 12-year-old son and his online buddies
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:19 PM
Dec 2020

have now taken to speaking the words "question mark" at the end of a question.

So I will frequently hear things like, "Does anyone want to play Fortnite question mark?" They still go up at the end of the sentence, except they now also speak the words "question mark" out loud.

What the hell is wrong with these kids today question mark?

rurallib

(62,413 posts)
24. reminds me of the old Victor Borge routine "Phonetic Punctuation"
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:31 PM
Dec 2020

the actual reading starts at @ 2:10, but you may want the upfront explanation:



CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
39. I have an 11 year old son who plays Fortnite with his online friends.
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 10:26 AM
Dec 2020

It’s really fun to listen to him playing. Their battle chatter is filled with unique vocabulary. They also speak in memes.

VA_Jill

(9,966 posts)
27. It's not new
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 03:02 PM
Dec 2020

It's very common in certain parts of the country, particularly Appalachia and in the Ozarks (my mom grew up in SW Missouri and I visited there every summer as a child). It's called "uptalking" or "upspeaking" now, and as used in the parts of the country where I've lived and visited, it generally means one hasn't finished a thought or hasn't finished speaking. If it's also used in Canadian speech, it might have originated in Scotland. Appalachia was originally settled by Scots-Irish.

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
28. As a ex-Californian (decidedly not the all important "Native") I noticed it 35 years ago.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 03:03 PM
Dec 2020

Being something of a linguistic chameleon (but not quite at the level of my wife) I adopted it for a while myself.

In New Jersey, I've reverted to my New York patois, and every question is "What's your problem?" usually with an expletive before "problem." Just kidding...

I can speak generic Californian when required. What annoyed me when I first moved there, was being informed repeatedly that "Californians don't have an accent."

Cirque du So-What

(25,938 posts)
29. Perhaps I'm just old and in need of a comprehensive hearing test
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 03:15 PM
Dec 2020

but some young people have become nearly impossible for me to understand. Their speech sounds flabby and tongue-tied, although I often get an intelligible answer when I say, ‘I can’t understand you,’ making me believe they weren’t trying to be understood before.

UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
33. Goes back to Valley Girls. Irritating last couple of years, starting everything with, "So..."
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 02:48 AM
Dec 2020

Answering every question, "So..."

It's like announcing that they are about to explain, somehow that all of us benighted beings don't know the obvious. Condescending, patronizing, a variant of mansplaining but for everybody.

So.

Have I explained enough?!1




yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
34. Japanese is much like that
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 08:46 PM
Dec 2020

for example; "Kono ofisu no kabe ni wa tosō sagyō ga hitsuyōda to omoimasu yo ne??"
translation: I think this office wall needs a paint job, right?

In Japanese the word "ne" is used a lot and comes at the end of a sentence. "ne" is often used when someone wants to include everyone and making sure everyone agrees.. its a polite way of speaking, so you include the people you are speaking with.


"Desu ne" is an ending to a sentence that they are wanting your confirmation. Desu ne(ですね )= is that right.

Ne (ね )
Ne can be translated into “isn’t it?” or “right?” in English. It is added to the end of a sentence in Japanese regardless of the level of politeness you’re using.

In general, the particle Ne is asking for confirmation, agreement or assent of the other person or group that the speaker is talking to. Typically, the Ne indicates that both the speaker and the listener share the same information or opinion about something. As a result, this particle creates a sense of togetherness.

Example:

みかさん:としおくん、今日いい天気ですね!
Mika-san: Toshio kun, kyou ii tenki desu ne!
Mika-san: Toshio, today’s weather is good, isn’t it?

In the above dialogue, Mika-san is expressing the idea of the weather being good, and Toshio san shares this information, either by knowing the weather, or because they are walking together. Ne is a good way to start a smooth conversation in this case.



https://cotoacademy.com/ending-particles-ne-and-yo/#:~:text=Yone

Marthe48

(16,950 posts)
36. I noticed it years ago
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:39 PM
Dec 2020

Until recently, the messaging system at my dr. office had a recording of a young woman ending every sentence that way. Sounded like she was leaving off "you know what I mean, right?" and just making every statement a question. Glad they changed it.

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