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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:33 AM Feb 2021

This is bad. UPDATE 02-17-21

I am pleased to report that, right now, things aren’t so bad. Thanks to DU for all the prayers, thoughts, good vibes, and all the positive karma this site generates. It has meant a lot to me.

Power was restored yesterday at 11:30 AM. We got 12 1/2 hours of power before it cut off at Midnight. It was nice to be able to make some coffee and cook some food in the microwave. Sandwiches were getting old. At midnight, we returned to the minivan for heat. Power returned again at 3:00 AM this morning and continues to run now—8:30 AM. Internet service, for some reason, is superb.

We only got 3-4 inches of additional snow yesterday. We may get a little more this afternoon, but we’re not “stuck.” I can still get the van out onto the main road if need be. We still have a half a tank of gas. Water, of course, is unavailable—pipes frozen solid. It’s currently 23 degrees. We’re expecting a high of 25 today. Temperatures may reach 34 degrees tomorrow for a brief period, but we’re not expecting a real thaw until Saturday.

We’re not so panicked at this point. We will be fine if the electricity remains on.

More tomorrow.

-Laelth

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This is bad. UPDATE 02-17-21 (Original Post) Laelth Feb 2021 OP
Terrific news! Cracklin Charlie Feb 2021 #1
Good news, Laelth! Ohiogal Feb 2021 #2
So glad the situation has improved. Mike 03 Feb 2021 #3
I wish you the best. Hang in there. Firestorm49 Feb 2021 #4
Good to hear. denbot Feb 2021 #5
Yaaaay! SheltieLover Feb 2021 #6
May the force be with you, Laelth. sarge43 Feb 2021 #7
Make sure you leave a faucet or two open. Tommymac Feb 2021 #8
I think Laelth NJCher Feb 2021 #19
Another trick for thawing pipes, wnylib Feb 2021 #27
Be careful with rebar. You might have to pound it hard, to get through frozen earth. ... JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2021 #42
Sending good wishes for your power to remain on. Lonestarblue Feb 2021 #9
So glad to know that you have power, at least for now. Continuing vibes for safety and comfort. niyad Feb 2021 #10
Open the taps & cabinet doors..... Historic NY Feb 2021 #11
I emptied (dried out) all the internal pipes before the freeze. Laelth Feb 2021 #16
Good that you did bleed the internal pipes wnylib Feb 2021 #29
Probably several burst pipes all around the park. Laelth Feb 2021 #31
Looks like a lawsuit in the making, wnylib Feb 2021 #32
Impossible. Laelth Feb 2021 #33
Mental revenge then. wnylib Feb 2021 #34
I saw this Snoopy 7 Feb 2021 #56
Yep. Laelth Feb 2021 #57
Good news bdamomma Feb 2021 #12
Good to hear grantcart Feb 2021 #13
Great news gademocrat7 Feb 2021 #14
Hope it helps a little to know TNNurse Feb 2021 #15
It does. Laelth Feb 2021 #17
Wonderful! Alacritous Crier Feb 2021 #18
thank you for letting us know. barbtries Feb 2021 #20
Glad to hear it, I've been thinking of you. CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #21
Great news, Laelth! Stay encouraged! ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Feb 2021 #22
Glad you've had electricity & heat, even if sporadically dlk Feb 2021 #23
Glad you are okay thus far VA_Jill Feb 2021 #24
I'm so happy and relieved to hear this! BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #25
PS: BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #26
That is very handy info questionseverything Feb 2021 #55
If you're interested, there is some good information available on efficacy. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #58
The best part is most houses would have tp and alcohol (for wound cleaning) questionseverything Feb 2021 #59
So glad you got power back. Stay strong as the light is at the end of the tunnel. nt iluvtennis Feb 2021 #28
Power, internet, and Rush died. Things are looking up! Nevilledog Feb 2021 #30
Very glad and relieved for you. Hopefully you'll have water in a short time. Fla Dem Feb 2021 #35
The collective power of positive thought from DUers Aussie105 Feb 2021 #36
Thanks for the update, Laelth. May the water gods be on your side soon. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2021 #37
Sounds like you're through the worst of it JudyM Feb 2021 #38
Great to hear. SergeStorms Feb 2021 #39
Just be careful of carbon monoxide in the van onlyadream Feb 2021 #40
Happy things are getting better. Staying positive. Jay25 Feb 2021 #41
I'm very happy for you! Maraya1969 Feb 2021 #43
Crack those faucets open just a bit bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #44
There's no running water at all. Laelth Feb 2021 #45
If I'm not mistaken, ice continues to swell as it gets colder, more solid. bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #46
Gotcha. Makes sense. Thanks. n/t Laelth Feb 2021 #51
Looks like you no longer need this soldierant Feb 2021 #47
Hillary Clinton posted some resources mzmolly Feb 2021 #48
Maybe you should go ahead and line up a plumber? trof Feb 2021 #49
So glad stage left Feb 2021 #50
Great to hear! You are a survivor! yardwork Feb 2021 #52
That's great to hear ailsagirl Feb 2021 #53
God bless. Joinfortmill Feb 2021 #54

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
1. Terrific news!
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:37 AM
Feb 2021

So glad to hear you have power, even if intermittent.

You’re doing a great job! Stay safe!

Ohiogal

(31,979 posts)
2. Good news, Laelth!
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:38 AM
Feb 2021

Hopefully things continue to improve! We’re all pulling for you! Thanks for checking in!

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
6. Yaaaay!
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:11 AM
Feb 2021

I'm so glad things are better for you, Laelth! Hang in there!

Continuing to send good vibes to you & yours, and the whole situation! 💕💕💕

Ty for updating us!

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
8. Make sure you leave a faucet or two open.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:15 AM
Feb 2021

Frozen pipes are bad but you can also alleviate some pain by putting an old fashioned 100 watt light very near the pipe where it comes into the house. As long as you have power this will help thaw them.

Another trick is to sink a piece of iron rebar into the ground so it makes contact with the buried pipes in your yard, then attaching a car battery to it via jumper cables. The current will transfer to the copper or iron pipes and help thaw them underground.

Of coarse if the underground pipes are plastic then this is not going to work that well.

Good luck.

NJCher

(35,654 posts)
19. I think Laelth
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:06 PM
Feb 2021

said he was able to drain the pipes before this cold front happened.

That's a cool trick about the reber. I'm going to pass that along to a few people.

wnylib

(21,431 posts)
27. Another trick for thawing pipes,
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:25 PM
Feb 2021

when there is electricity, is to go to the piping under the sink and hold a hair dryer to the pipe, set on high heat and full force. Leave the faucet open so you can hear the water come out of it when it thaws. Then leave it on to let a trickle come through to keep it from freezing up again.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
42. Be careful with rebar. You might have to pound it hard, to get through frozen earth. ...
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 05:12 PM
Feb 2021

... Maybe enough force that you don't know when you punch through the copper. Geyser time.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
9. Sending good wishes for your power to remain on.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:15 AM
Feb 2021

I think we’re all just looking forward to Saturday when the ice melts and we can get out again. I live on a hill and the street is nothing but ice, so even if the cold didn’t keep me home, the danger of driving anywhere would. I sure would like a good, hot meal of Chinese takeout!

niyad

(113,259 posts)
10. So glad to know that you have power, at least for now. Continuing vibes for safety and comfort.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:18 AM
Feb 2021

Please keep us posted.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
11. Open the taps & cabinet doors.....
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:27 AM
Feb 2021

if your getting heat it will help thaw, better if you have some lights that can be place near the pipes

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
16. I emptied (dried out) all the internal pipes before the freeze.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:42 AM
Feb 2021

It’s our external pipes that are frozen solid, and there’s nothing that can be done about that until the ground thaws on Saturday, at the earliest.



-Laelth

wnylib

(21,431 posts)
29. Good that you did bleed the internal pipes
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:31 PM
Feb 2021

to keep them from bursting when frozen. Hope the frozen external pipes will be ok.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
31. Probably several burst pipes all around the park.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:45 PM
Feb 2021

Repair is going to cost the management a lot of money, and I suspect that Monday is an optimistic estimate of when water service can be fully restored.

-Laelth

wnylib

(21,431 posts)
32. Looks like a lawsuit in the making,
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:56 PM
Feb 2021

against the agency that ordered the shut off and/or the utility companies.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
33. Impossible.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:37 PM
Feb 2021

That’s why Texas made power-allocation the exclusive function of a state agency. If my local co-op made decisions that caused this damage, they could be sued. Here, ERCOT (a state agency) made these decisions centrally, for the entire state, thereby shielding all the state’s private power companies from liability. ERCOT has immunity from liability for its decisions because it is a state agency acting in the best interests of the state. Each and every decision they make is shielded by Sovereign Immunity (so long as the decision-maker was acting within his or her proper authority as an agent of the state when said damaging, possibly reckless, decision was made).

-Laelth

wnylib

(21,431 posts)
34. Mental revenge then.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 02:54 PM
Feb 2021

Imagine a modern day Robin Hood type, taking from the rich, not to give to the poor, which can't be done with gas and electricity service, but to equalize them in a natural disaster.

If this were a movie, the script would call for an adventurous rogue to disrupt service to the homes and businesses of the culprits in creative ways.

No, I am not advocating it, but can at least smile at the thought of it.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
15. Hope it helps a little to know
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:40 AM
Feb 2021

how many people on here were worried and concerned for you and your daughter.

VA_Jill

(9,965 posts)
24. Glad you are okay thus far
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:08 PM
Feb 2021

I have friends in SA, DFW, and Houston areas and have heard from them. I am most worried about one who lives in the Panhandle area near Pampa though. She is on a ranch about an hour out of Amarillo. I messaged her yesterday but haven't heard a word.

Praying for you and all in this awful time.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
25. I'm so happy and relieved to hear this!
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:19 PM
Feb 2021

When I read your first post about this, it seemed bleak. Very glad it has, at least partially, worked out.

We'll all keep a good thought for this to never happen again, but this DIY looks useful. At least as useful as closing the barn door after the horse is gone.



One thing I think the poster should have mentioned is that, if you're having too much trouble getting the roll into the can, you can always unwind a bit, tear it off and try again. It shouldn't take much.

IMO, if you're already using a quart can of paint, you could easily wash it out, as long as the paint hadn't dried, and it's water-based. I'd opt to buy a new, empty one.

I hope you find this helpful.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
26. PS:
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:23 PM
Feb 2021

If you are worried about the toxicity of iso alcohol, there are brands that are mostly ethanol, which is safe.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
55. That is very handy info
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 08:32 AM
Feb 2021

I carry a large tin can and a candle, I think that flame is more controlled but the tp candle would probably provide more heat

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
58. If you're interested, there is some good information available on efficacy.
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 01:35 PM
Feb 2021

They didn't test these alcohol fuels against candles, and candles vary widely, but I'm sure you could replicate their test conditions and compare your results with the ones posted.

It involves boiling a given amount of water in the shortest time. I'm sure the ambient temperature matters a lot, and I don't recall if they posted that, or talked about it on the video.

A very quick and cursory search turned up a statement saying that, for flames of equal size, alcohol burns hotter.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
59. The best part is most houses would have tp and alcohol (for wound cleaning)
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 05:59 PM
Feb 2021

And a small pan with deep sides would work in a pinch

Sometimes it isn’t about what’s best, it’s about what you have available

Aussie105

(5,377 posts)
36. The collective power of positive thought from DUers
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:02 PM
Feb 2021

works again!

Warmer weather heading your way, I'm sure.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
38. Sounds like you're through the worst of it
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:35 PM
Feb 2021

a relief to hear it doesn’t feel existential... it’ll be a great survival story when it’s finally behind you.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
39. Great to hear.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:51 PM
Feb 2021

There's finally a little electric light at the end of the tunnel. I hope everyone in Texas (even republicans) gets up and running very soon. Amazing how we take little things, like turning on a light-switch, for granted.

Glad you're doing better, Laelth.

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
40. Just be careful of carbon monoxide in the van
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 04:41 PM
Feb 2021

I read that a family was killed staying warm in their car. So damn sad.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
44. Crack those faucets open just a bit
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 06:16 PM
Feb 2021

especially the outside one. A little drip, drip might prevent bursting of pipes.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
46. If I'm not mistaken, ice continues to swell as it gets colder, more solid.
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 06:28 PM
Feb 2021

Opening the faucets a 1/4 turn is an attempt to make the weak point the open valve for the ice to swell into, rather than the ice finding the weakest point of the pipe.

It's a hoper idea, but what's the downside?

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
47. Looks like you no longer need this
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 06:34 PM
Feb 2021

but it might not be a bad idea to save the info in case there is a future need. The first part, that is. The second part is a righteous rant. Come to think oof it, that might warm the neart.)



mzmolly

(50,985 posts)
48. Hillary Clinton posted some resources
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 06:58 PM
Feb 2021

on twitter.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-power-outage-help-warming-shelter/

You may be familiar but I thought I'd share in case it's of help.

I'm thankful that you and your daughter are doing better. And, I'm so glad you have had some warmth and better food.



trof

(54,256 posts)
49. Maybe you should go ahead and line up a plumber?
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:00 PM
Feb 2021

Sounds like some burst pipes when it thaws out.
Stay safe.

stage left

(2,961 posts)
50. So glad
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:26 PM
Feb 2021

you got some hours of power and could make coffee. That's what you miss most when the power is out.

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