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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsAs of today, I am the grandfather of TWO U.S. citizens
My Frankfurt-based daughter told me the Consulate had her new first US passport for her younger daughter, with her official birth certificfate of a "U.S. citizen abroad." She will be one year old in June.
Look out--in 18 years or a little less, there will be two more Democrats voting!
Atticus
(15,124 posts)DFW
(54,328 posts)I don't know how my daughter manages. They are both smart and very tempermental.
The elder one will be 3 in May. She already asks what German (her native language) words mean in English, and then pronounces them perfectly. Their future boyfriends already have my utmost sympathy. They don't have a chance.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Tell her welcome aboard and keep her arms inside the car at all times.
DFW
(54,328 posts)I'd wait until she's at least 18 months old before that becomes a problem. Knowing her mom and her sister, I'm more apprehensive about them keeping their arms inside of airplanes after they hit age 5. They'll probably find a way not to.
niyad
(113,213 posts)Butterflylady
(3,539 posts)AirmensMom
(14,642 posts)GrandDFW?
JK... congratulations!
Lonestarblue
(9,959 posts)Looks like big sister is already giving advice to the little one.
DFW
(54,328 posts)Her advice is the German equivalent of "get lost!"
Ford_Prefect
(7,875 posts)Hekate
(90,616 posts)FakeNoose
(32,613 posts)They're so cute and precious!
DFW
(54,328 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)
When parents are of two different countries (one being the USA), and especially if the citizenship request is made within the first year of birth, the US authorities will usually consider citizenship requests. Several requirements must be met, including ten consecutive years of residence in the USA on the part of the US parent.
Because she decided to prolong her "junior year of high school abroad (from Germany)" into two years, and stayed on to go to college and law school in the USA, my daughter barely made the ten year consecutive U.S. residence requirement. She had to present original transcripts from all 3 schools for the ten years, but she got it all together, and the US Consulate in Frankfurt complimented her on her thoroughness in meeting all their citizenship requirements on the very first request interview. Usually, high school students in Germany that spend a year abroad are expected to return to their schools in Germany to complete their secondary school education. But my younger daughter happened to take her year "abroad" in Hawaii. She made some really good friends there, and wanted to return to graduate (Hawaii, hmmph, what's so special about that--other than everything?).
German Universities don't accept US high school diplomas because they are a year too short (there is a 13th year in Germany). My daughter said, OK to hell with it, I'll go to an American university. I explained that she had to apply, it wasn't automatic. Typical of her, she said, oh, I'll get in somewhere. She did (GW in Washington, DC). Children weren't on her radar then, of course, but her move turned out to be the key in making her daughters eligible for US citizenship. They, in turn, will have to reside in the USA for ten consecutive years if they want to pass on their US citizenship to any of their children, but I'll be long gone by the time that becomes a subject of concern. Who knows what the rules will be then?
Things are a LOT more complicated now than they were when I got citizenship for my daughters. All I had to do then (1983, 1985) was bring my passport to the U.S. embassy in Bonn--no appointment necessary!--, their German birth certificates, and a photo. I filled out some form they gave me and gave them a US check for $45, or whatever it was back then. Within 90 minutes, I walked out of the embassy with their first passports, their US birth certificates, and their Social Security numbers. These days, you're lucky if you get it done in 6 months!!
It will be an interesting contrast when my US-based daughter has her first child (due in late April). If she wants German citizenship in addition to his (we already know that it's a boy) US citizenship, she will have to take it up with the German consulate ni New York. However, I heard from an American colleague whose grandfather was born in Germany around 1900, and because he got all the documents the Germans wanted that proved his German ancestry, he was granted German citizenship although he has never lived in Germany and speaks no German.
dlk
(11,537 posts)They are so cute!
DFW
(54,328 posts)Positively dangerous!
dlk
(11,537 posts)Shes beautiful!
If she doesn't get what she wants, you think you'd rather negotiate with an erupting volcano.
dlk
(11,537 posts)And best of all, a loving grandpa to guide her
DFW
(54,328 posts)She was the same way.
dlk
(11,537 posts)So many sweet times to look forward to. Again, congratulations!
DFW
(54,328 posts)When her sister got back from her year abroad, our younger one wanted to go to the USA, too. But, she said her sister went to a day school, so she wanted to go to a boarding school. Expensive, but I hadn't spent a cent of my inheritance, anticipating this. I said, well, OK, there were plenty of boarding schools in New England. No, she said, that is too cold in the winter. I said, whaddya want, Hawaii? She said, yeah, that sounds good. Ha ha. Sure. Hawaii. You don't even know if there ARE boarding schools in Hawaii.
Already the born lawyer, she said, well, you don't know, either, do you? Nope, I didn't. So we got on to our (very new) internet, and looked up the Hawaii department of education. Well, sure enough, there WERE a couple of boarding schools there, but they mostly seemed to be for native Hawaiians with Hawaiian language instruction to keep the culture alive. But, sure enough, there was one with an international student body. Pretty tough curriculum, but that's what she was looking for anyway.
But Hawaii? That was 12 time zones away--exactly halfway around the world. Go any further, and you start to head back to Germany from the other direction. She said, well we should go look at the place. Oh, sure, just head off halfway around the world to look at a school. Again the future lawyer--well, you've never been there, either, so why not? Well, spring break in Germany was coming up, so, OK why not. Her elder sister says, no WAY you're going to Hawaii without me. I said, no WAY I will have the two of them hating each other for life over this, so I said, sure, you can come along. My wife said all three of you are crazy for wanting to go halfway around the world for 6 days to look at a school. So she stayed home. The long and the short of it was that the entrance exam was brutal, and she passed it, and ended up going to school halfway up an extinct volcano on the Big Island. 2000 feet above sea level, this was not some extended surfing vacation disguised as high school.
The graduation ceremony was something out of a 1950s movie, except that half of it was conducted in real Hawaiian, some of which my daughter understood at this point (no idea how). She didn't get into any fancy Ivy League schools (they refused to set up interviews in Hawaii outside of Honolulu, and thus trashed her application), but she did get into GW in Washington DC--ironically enough, about 18 miles from where my family lived when I was young (Falls Church, Virginia). She didn't do overly well on the LSATs, either, since there were lots of English words she didn't know (yet), and LSATs are ALL law schools look at these days, apparently.
But again--sheer determination (and wicked smart). In undergrad at GW, she ended up being what Ellen Malcolm, founder of EMILY'S List, told me was "the best intern they ever had," and graduating Magna at her "second tier" Law School in White Plains, New York. She graduated from Law School at the height of the Cheney/Bush recession, and couldn't find a job in the USA. So, what does she do? Runs over to Frankfurt for a legal job fair--right in the middle of the Icelandic volcano eruption, causing all transatlantic air travel to be canceled. She gets recruited by the Frankfurt arm of a British law firm, and then head-hunted by a big international law firm out of New York. She quickly becomes their big star, shamelessly puts in for partner before she has been there three years (you are supposed to wait 7 years), and becomes their youngest partner ever at age 31. She makes multiples of what I do now. Harvard Law? Never heard of them. NOW who's the second tier law school?
THOSE are the genes my daughter brought to the table, and her partner is just as smart. I just hope she doesn't experience burn-out like so many high IQ people do at an early age. But she displays no signs of it at all. The same calm "I can handle this" attitude she has always had ever since she grew out of having screaming matches with howler monkeys at the Duisburg zoo as a toddler.
So, yeah, these two girls of hers might turn out to be VERY special. Their future partners had better get used to knowing who is boss very early, because with these two, I have no doubt at all who it will be!
dlk
(11,537 posts)You survived the challenges and now, lookout world!
BobTheSubgenius
(11,562 posts)Congratulations!
I have 6, but they are all "acquired." They have all come into my wife's family, one way or another. My wife has a picture of some of them with some of the other women in the family - five generations in one photo. You don't see that often. One of the great-grands is already 20, so there could be 6 generations all alive at the same time. That would be remarkable, I think.
I hope you can amass a similar brood!
DFW
(54,328 posts)Our family tends to marry late and die early.
Our daughters were immensely proud of their great grandfather--my maternal grandfather--in New York while he was around. He died at age 102, when they were 13 and 11, respectively.
Our granddaughters only have one living great grandparent, my wife's mom. She is 93, and nearly blind. My granddaughters are too young to appreciate having a great-grandparent. We'll have to see if she sticks with us for another five or ten years.
Both my parents and all of their siblings had cancer, and only one of them (like my grandparents) made it to 80. If genes have majority rule, I'm long gone in ten years unless I Beat The Reaper. But who knows? My wife already beat one of those "ALWAYS FATAL" forms of cancer that is called "the murderer" here because it never shows itself until it's too late. She was that one in ten thousand the medical journals mention, because hers was discovered very early by accident, and she beat it. We'll be one exceptional couple indeed if we both do. But, like I said when I first met her, SOMEBODY has to be the lucky bastard that marries a woman like her, so why NOT me?
elleng
(130,825 posts)DFW
(54,328 posts)Let's hope things stay that way!
Rhiannon12866
(205,073 posts)And they are certainly adorable, welcome to them both!
Phentex
(16,334 posts)congratulations to all!