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Name a science fiction TV show or movie that had major scientific flaws. But first there are some rules:
1. Cannot be a complete fantasy story. No Star Wars for example. Nothing where the universe is completely made up.
2. The story has to have some grounding in reality. Star Trek would be an example of a story that is based on some reality with an extension into the future.
underpants
(182,736 posts)Bill Laimbeer was totally inauthentic as a Sleestak
RainCaster
(10,857 posts)Jeebo
(2,023 posts)It was ridiculous, it was laughable, it was stupid, but it was fun stupid, so I watched it. They made a Lost in Space movie some years back. My niece told me it was awful, but I didn't heed her warning and went to see it anyway, and she was right, it was awful. But it wasn't fun awful, it was just awful. They took the fun out of it and left just the awful. So I suppose the Lost in Space movie was worse than the Lost in Space TV series.
Oops, I had composed this and was just about to post it when I remembered Plan 9 from Outer Space. So I'd like to change my vote to Plan 9 from Outer Space. It was the awfulest science fiction movie, TV series, novel or anything else, I've ever seen or read. Whether you're talking about the science, or any of its other components.
-- Ron
ON EDIT: Yavin4, I think you need to define your first rule more clearly. I don't understand what it means or how the example offered explains it.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,458 posts)with Dr. Smith as an enemy saboteur, and had damn good effects for its day. Then it became silly.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)it is one of the most boring movies I have ever seen. Yes...I showed it to a Science Fiction Club that
I sponsored in high school....Oh, did I say that it is boring, boring, and more boring.
.... If you watch this filmed you will be bored out of your mind!!!! (What mind is left after watching..
...........Plan 9 from Outer Space.
Mr.Bill
(24,274 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,458 posts)First time Steve Austin lifted a car, his non-bionic spine would have snapped like a twig.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)The producers made some attempt not to get too cartoony with the bionics. There were no slow motion scenes or elaborate sound effects. In the pilot episode, there's a scene where Steve Austin is running in the desert, and his shirt shows no perspiration under his right arm (the bionic one).
Then it quickly became a kid's show, and the producers began to care less.
(BTW, in the best-selling book that the show was based on, Steve Austin was much more rooted in reality. His spine and pelvis were reinforced to handle the extra strain of his limbs, and his bionic eye was sightless and only worked as a high-tech miniature camera.)
Miguelito Loveless
(4,458 posts)I read the book (Cyborg?) and was shocked at all the differences. His should would have to be re-enforced as well, or it would tear out of its socket as well. The other thing that struck me was the power source, which was hand-waved away as "nuclear".
Ah, the 70s.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Martin Caidin, the guy that wrote Cyborg, was an interesting guy. He had one of the first liberal talk radio shows in the nation. He was also a true believer In ESP (another fad magical trope from the 1970s) who really believed he could move things with his mind and thought that all humanity should be doing it.
His Cyborg sequel High Crystal was all about Steve Austin discovering an ancient astronaut base in the Mesoamerican jungle.
Hated that movie. I can suspend disbelief for the purpose of entertainment, but when a movie comes across as "realistic" I cut it less slack. The idea that astronauts can hopscotch between space stations and make it back to earth safely is ridiculous. Even the very beginning of the movie, with Clooney joyriding in a spacesuit, because, sure, rocket fuel is super plentiful in space! WTF?
hunter
(38,309 posts)I can view Star Wars as a magical fantasy like many people enjoy Lord of the Rings but Gravity was just screeching awful. I skipped Ad Astra because I heard it was worse.
AllaN01Bear
(18,119 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,458 posts)Which were bad even then.
I kind of liked the computer, or at least the actor who played it.
LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)Salviati
(6,008 posts)That's not how angular momentum works, or energy, or nuclear weapons. Though apparently the original script was much worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Core#Reception
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)If it's possible to check any knowledge of science gained since grade school at the door, it's actually a pretty thrilling "team saving the world from doom" story in the vein of the classic Fantastic Voyage (which is also highly science deficient).
The Core is one of my guiltiest of guilty pleasures.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Personally, I was so disappointed in "Interstellar" after reading many positive reviews about the SUPPOSED realism of it, that it's about the only such movie on my mind right now. I hated it, and I also felt betrayed by the reviews (and the ALLEGED heavy reliance on actual physicists as advisors) which had compelled me to see it in a movie theatre. And, sure enough, Dr. Tyson later had similar complaints about it too. (He's much less critical of that movie in the above YouTube video than he was in the days after it was released, by the way.)
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)And it was supposedly fact checked by some famous physicist.
And yet I never got over the fact that our intrepid astronauts kept cruising around solar system distances like they were going to the Piggly Wiggly in the next town over to pick up milk and eggs.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... and the plot itself.
The tessaract INSIDE the black hole, Cooper finding his daughter's book shelf within it, communicating the equations of quantum-gravity with Morse code to her... and the basic plot that a 5th-dimensional "they" decided all of this was the best way to save the human race from extinction for whatever reason?!
It had a few accurate and interesting parts, such as the time dilation near the black hole, but too much of it was unnecessarily inaccurate to create an emotionally compelling story... and the movie often sucked in that regard as well.
There comes a point with science-fi, as far as I'm concerned, that the director might as well go "all in" with nonsense. Why not have unicorns and fairies directing Cooper to the book shelf? Might as well! Then the inevitable apologists can simply argue, "Well, it's POSSIBLE since we can't see what's within the event horizon!"
Boxerfan
(2,533 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 24, 2021, 12:41 AM - Edit history (1)
If I start doing a that's not how that works or that engine sound is wrong for a 2-cycle engine etc...I'll never enjoy a movie.
edit to actually answer .
I'll go with " The Crater Lake Monster". Or anything Svenghoolie has on and that's why I watch. Sometimes the worse the better
rsdsharp
(9,162 posts)Yavin4
(35,432 posts)Two words: Michael Bay. Enough said.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...let me quote from a review of the show at the time--the 70s--by the sainted Spider Robinson. (This might not be word-for-word, but it's close.) "I can't bear to describe the show's premise. Ask the next SF fan you meet about it, and wait until he finishes laughing. Bring a lunch."
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I knew that any explosion powerful enough to launch the Moon into interstellar space was also powerful enough to smash it into dust.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)There is heat, there is radiation released--but there is no atmosphere to conduct the blast wave that does so much of the damage. And for the same reason, the heat has nothing to conduct it; it's only a little bit of infrared radiation into the void--it's not going to cook so much as a hot dog (although the microwave radiation released might.....)
Correct me if I'm wrong, pls.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)It's the hot expanding gases that cause explosion damage. No gases, no destruction. Maybe melt some stuff, but that's it.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)And all that comes out is energized subatomic particles. The little critters hit things and make them warm, or make their internal compasses go haywire, but they don't knock down buildings or trees.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Mind = blown.
Archae
(46,314 posts)NASA and the government fake a trip to Mars.
The story, acting and effects were awful.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)It will be coming back for a 6th and final season on Amazon
Earthers, Belters and Martians still warring till the end, awesome epic space battle scenes
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)Just about the only movie that actually made me angry enough to walk out after 20 minutes or so. Not bored, not sneering in laughter. No, actually angry. I was surprised by it myself.
Probably for featuring the world's most moronic scientists.
canuckledragger
(1,636 posts)Was the stupidity shown when reacting to certain events.
...like when the big, crashing, donut-shaped ship is rolling straight towards Charlize Theron's character, and all she does is run straight ahead...instead of to the left or right where she would be safe.
The movie was full of supposedly smart people doing stupid things that way.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)They could've just left off "of the Sea." The entire series just sank quickly to the bottom of hell. My brother and I fairly soon just started calling it "Take-Over Man." Every episode was about some monster du jour taking over the sub and using it to threaten to destroy the whole world. Only "Lost In Space" topped it in stupidity. And only Battlestar Galactica surpassed it as a waste of the talent of an otherwise great star.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)which would've better been named "Go Doze". That movie was an umitigated piece of crap.
Throckmorton
(3,579 posts)So it does have that going for it.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)I must bow to our feline overlords.
(and you get snaps for "Sporkweasel"! )
hunter
(38,309 posts)It's an actual science fiction movie, not the usual techno-crud.
I tend to dislike science fiction movies about some hot headed fighter pilot who saves the world. It was a cliché when George Lucas did it in the 'seventies.
lastlib
(23,204 posts)"Star Wars" got old the day after it was released, IMHO. "Star Trek" at least had some scientific ideas. But give me an Isaac Asimov work or an Arthur C. Clarke work any day. "Childhood's End" could've been a WAY better film than the version that was done, if it had stayed truer to the novel.
"Zardoz"--no. Have to disagree with you here. It's incomprehensible ridiculous crap. In the two times I've tried to watch & understand it, I found no redeeming qualities in it, and I'm done looking for any.
HAND
Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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Time travel stories can be fun, and the primary challenge of creating an entertaining time travel story is is how the author handles the paradoxes of the ways changes in the past affect the present. But those paradoxes can never be adequately resolved and always require suspension of disbelief.
Archae
(46,314 posts)Good movie!
Politicub
(12,165 posts)everything that mission control described during the landing happened several minutes in the past. It was a form of time travel, as is all light, I suppose.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)I thought that one sucked out loud.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)With Lorne Greene as (trumpet blats, please) Commander Adama!!!
That series sucked the big one.....
lastlib
(23,204 posts)That was dreadful in itself!
Paladin
(28,246 posts)Goodheart
(5,318 posts)Which reminds me of something I've heard from several doctors, nurses, and hospital workers: Scrubs was a lot more accurate procedurally and diagnostically and institutionally than was Grey's Anatomy.
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Won't say it was the most flawed, but it was definitely a contender.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)Demovictory9
(32,445 posts)Demovictory9
(32,445 posts)Demovictory9
(32,445 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Spectacularly stupid
lindysalsagal
(20,648 posts)Otherwise it's really very scottish and lots of fun! But the Scots wouldn't have treated Clair half as well as they do, even being a healer. And the evolved, equal-partnership-Jamie wouldn't have existed, either. But that doesn't stop me from re-watching it!