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Long story short...she's not sick, been checked out, so this is totally behavioral...
scared of everything, unless I'm cooking, the microwave is in use, or pizza.
She's also incontinent and on meds for that and trazadone for anxiety.
Her mouth does that panting, jaw up and down thing all the time.
She's a flight risk.
She seems ok until she flips out and she can turn on a dime...
I don't mean that she's mean...I mean that she could get away from you before you knew what happened.
In any event the big thing is going potty outside. She just won't - most of the time.
I know to be patient, so that's not a concern here.
She also doesn't like to be touched.
I keep her on a long lead so I'm not standing over her, I mean like 15 feet.
Suggestions??
She poops outside only, but she's so scared she won't poop until she can't hold it any more...which tells me she's potty trained somewhat.
I understand peeing when scared and the break through pee with leakage issues, but she won't squat.
I take her out 1-2 hours and after meals. Nada.
She peed for me 3 times yesterday so I thought maybe she was getting then hang of it, today, back to nothing.
help.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But it seems that time is your friend. Keep showing her the kindness, patience and love you have been showing her. I am so happy you will adopt so she won't feel deserted again and have to get used to new people.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)I adopted an abused dog almost three years ago and we are just now getting to see the real personality. I dont know what horrors she endured. There are no visible physical scars, but something horrible happened to her.
Consistency, routine and love are what has worked.
My thanks to the OP for sticking with this kiddo. Many people, even dog lovers, wont do tha.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Triple
Sanity Claws
(21,866 posts)yonder
(9,685 posts)Maybe encouaging socializing with any other family pets? Ya done good.
bottomofthehill
(8,364 posts)I think she just got used to peeing in her space prior to and while at the rescue. It took a couple months of positive reinforcement, good potty outside and a scratch behind the ears, but if your pup is uncomfortable to the touch, it will only be more difficult. Most dogs love food rewards, and you may need to go that rout in the beginning. It took us a while to fully fix her problem but we had 6 good years with her after we got her back on track.
imavoter
(646 posts)treats are treats, food is food, and medicine is medicine.
I can't hide her medicine or she won't touch that particular food anymore.
So I just make her take the pills, it's been easier that way.
She will take food from my hand less than half the time still, so I think we have a long way to go.
I've tried to give her the venison treats outside and she's too nervous.
bottomofthehill
(8,364 posts)We were willing to try almost anything, junk treats, cooked hamburger or chicken, milkbones, chicken jerky, the winner was finally freeze dried liver. It was expensive but it got her to the point that she was comfortable with us ans that there was a relationship between the behavior and the treat she loved.
imavoter
(646 posts)and so she does eat the venison Stix from whatever brand that is.
but I will def look into the liver. She does like the stinky stuff.
She'll only eat this Pedigree gravy canned stuff with some stinky dog canned chicken on it,
so I'll try the liver.
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imavoter
(646 posts)I took your suggestion on the beef liver.
I ordered beef liver treats right away from Amazon, so I could work with her over the 3 day weekend.
Today was the only day in the entire month that I've had her that she has pooped and peed in broad daylight.
The beef liver is only if she does her business outside.
We had no accidents today, and not much break through incontinence. (I was told she still might dribble a little even on meds, but today was hardly any.)
At first I was still in a pickle as to what to do, because I still cannot approach her without her pulling away or walking backwards. She wouldn't take/eat the treat outside.
So I just did the best I could do. As soon as she finished, we hustled back in, and I gave her the treat that I had in my hand.
I started Friday in the PM and of course I knew it might take a while, but I think she's starting to understand. Plus she sees me take the treeat out of the cabinet.
I ask her to go potty on her areas. I have a little routine walk we have been using for potty in the back yard. If she goes she gets the treat, and if she doesn't she still gets a good girl that we'll try again. She won't let me touch her so I just have to give her the treat once we get back inside but she seems to be getting the message. I do have it in my hand before and while we are outside, so I can give it to her the second we are inside.
bottomofthehill
(8,364 posts)Routine is so important in building trust. It takes some time and if not the liver, baked chicken, whatever it takes to build the relationship and the trust. Once you have trust you have the key to success. Hopefully soon you can reward her with a gentile pat, scratch behind the ears, but first the trust.
We loved our first rescue, like I said, she was part of the family. We now have two more, a shepherd mix and a black mouth cur. We got the cur as a rescue puppy but the shepherd as a 2 year old with some bad habits to break. They are now best friends and parts of our family.
What you are doing is amazing. Keep it up!
Ruby Zee
(170 posts)You are so special to foster and then adopt this dog. She's a lucky girl - now. I have three rescue pups, but only one is fearful. She has gotten better as time goes by, but is still very afraid of strangers. One thing that has helped is hemp or CBD oil or treats.
Thank you for fostering / adopting.
drray23
(7,638 posts)I also had a rescue like that. High strung, scared of everything and everybody. It took several months until she opened up and started to trust us. interestingly she bonded with our cat first. A few months after that and she was a lap dog perfectly happy. We always wondered what horrors she must have been subjected to before we got her to be traumatized.
imavoter
(646 posts)I have to give her medicine, so I give her good ear scritches then, but she will turn her head away so I don't push it.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)1) If you have a yard, maybe consider a dog run in a space where she can be very safe. You can put a tarp over to protect from wind and weather or too much sun. Little dog house at the back so she has a safe space all of her own. This way she can relax some, maybe can see you seated out there and smell you nearby as you do things outdoors. And if she freaks out and piddles in the dog run, she's actually doing what she needs to do anyway.
Mostly, a way to be safe outside. Without a lot of touch. Maybe some way to set up a dog door so she can go out there on her own?
2) Puppy Potty Training Pads. At least if she uses these it will make cleaning better for you. And sometimes they move them closer and closer to the way outside to potty.
Is that dog whisperer guy still out there?
BigmanPigman
(51,650 posts)I would use them when I returned to work after a long vacation at home. I would keep it by the back door and left it there, even when it had a stain or two. The smell was the thing my dog needed to connect the two. I would take a used puppy pad and leave it outside, show her the spot and let her smell it then jumped up and down clapping, praising, etc. When she would use it inside I praised her and gave a treat. It worked!
I had foster dogs and puppies and the first one had a broken spirit but after a week she was running up and down the steps and was 100% different.
imavoter
(646 posts)She doesn't want to be touched, but won't be left alone.
She follows me around the house like a scared puppy....
I tried leaving her outside on a long lead yesterday...with me outside...and she just got more nervous and
scared I felt we better go in.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Lots of tips and a video of a program he did with Veterinarians on this subject.
imavoter
(646 posts)Phoenix61
(17,025 posts)What ever you choose as a reward that should be the only time she gets it. If you want to work on potty training, every time she pees or poos she gets hot dog treats. 3-4. Its behavior mod which is a matter of catching her doing what you want and then rewarding that behavior. It can be time consuming but it works. Zoos use it to teach the animals behaviors they need them to do so they can safely draw blood, move them etc.
imavoter
(646 posts)she's a picky eater, so I've been looking for something she will take from me.
I've been giving her venison after medicine, so I'll try something else after potty. thanks
Phoenix61
(17,025 posts)imavoter
(646 posts)See post #35
Ferrets are Cool
(21,113 posts)We got a fostered bichon that had been a puppy mill dog for 3 years. She was rescued from there and put in a foster home. She escaped the fenced yard when a child left the gate open. She was not caught for 3 weeks and was in the wild that entire time.
We received her one week later. Long, long story short, it was 2 years before we could even touch her. But finally we were rewarded with our patience with one of the best, most loving babies ever.
Be patient. I know it's hard, but it will pay off.
UpInArms
(51,291 posts)A pocketful (or a bunch in a baggie) make for easy rewards
. Or a Hansel and gretle path
I have tossed them in a path and given more when the path is retraced (to me) as a great way to get a dog to come to me
And they are plentiful and easy
intrepidity
(7,356 posts)That's all I have--huge karma for you for doing this.
montanacowboy
(6,113 posts)This pup was fostered for one year and we just adopted him. Fearful of eye contact and touch. Won't pee or poop on the leash. On the bed he will let me pet him but once off the bed, no contact. This will take a long time so you have to be in it for the long haul. I have faith he will come through as the foster mom told me he needs to learn to be a dog. Everytime we have a small victory it is so wonderful. He must have been so mistreated and we don't know for sure what that background was. He is a purebred and just over 2 years old. We have committed to him and are sure things will work out. Please don't give up, I am sure we will both be rewarded.
Me.
(35,454 posts)💝💐
imavoter
(646 posts)I'm glad they have us.
See post #35.
LakeArenal
(28,867 posts)We found he had to smell everything that came in. Mail, grocery bags, new clothes.
His leash and collar. Everything. Over Nd over. It helped very much.
summer_in_TX
(2,768 posts)If we stood up, she was scared. If we held the door open for her, she dodged through fearfully so we could tell someone kicked her as she passed through.
But if we sat on the couch, she would come up to us and cuddle or at least let us pat her. We were "safe" then, although I'd guess she felt confident that anyone sitting couldn't move fast enough to get her. She was soon easy enough with me but terrified of my husband still 3 months in.
Her foster mom said she'd been adopted but taken back after the previous people had stuck her in the yard while they were gone and she jumped the fence and broke her leg. They'd surrendered her back to the Adoption Group and Rescue. They got her well and then put her back up for adoption.
She was afraid of men so when my husband wanted to take her and our other dog on a walk, she wouldn't come to him. She'd jump on our bed and hunker down. One day he had the idea to put her on her leash while she was there instead of trying to call her. The leash was like magic. She was instantly eager to go for a walk. That seemed to be the key to transforming their relationship.
We've now had her for about four years and she's turned into an affectionate, happy dog. Minds well as long as she's not fussed at when she becomes afraid again. Not crazy about change and timid around strangers and children, but doing well now. The only bad thing about her is the she sheds profusely. White hair sure does show on everything!
Bayard
(22,228 posts)I've mentioned it several times on DU for nervous/fearful animals. It is an herbal calmative. Just helps them chill out and focus.
Also good for humans, and other species.
You are very kind to adopt this poor girl.
Duppers
(28,132 posts)It's not expensive either. I ordered from Chewy.com.
I couldn't believe how well it worked!
Thanks, Bayard!
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)could be a source for help.
imavoter
(646 posts)They didn't even know she was incontinent,
and the rescues are over run with animals.
It's heartbreaking.
They still own her, but I want to adopt her.
EndlessWire
(6,574 posts)Make potty runs at the same time to the same place. As soon as she goes, reward her with a trip back inside the house. Sooner or later she'll get the idea that she should go as soon as possible. If there's a treat she likes, give her a taste after she goes. When you take her out, say something like, "time to pee," so she totally knows she's gonna go and return to the house.
I think this dog could become a fear biter, so be sure to support her when meeting new people. Also, what about that new style leash that wraps around the dogs body? Is that all hype? A body wrap might be something you could use.
Zo Zig
(600 posts)Adopted a rescue puppy, she has been a part of the family now for nine years. Still skidisd, has behavioral issues, and is very sensitive. They take time to become accustomed to your world. Just continue to support and be available. Good luck.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Do you know the extent of the abuse?
imavoter
(646 posts)She was chipped when they captured her
the first time end of last year. But they didn't
want her back. So God knows. She was outside on her own for I don't know how long. A woman on hospice was feeding her...not as a pet, but putting food out for the dog...her nurse put the word out last year, desperate for someone to rescue the dog.
And she was with another foster, but it was not the right fit, and they kept letting her escape. Took them 4 months to trap her this last time. She's been though a lot.
She's afraid of flashlights, any quick movements, but it didn't take her long to find the dog bed. She's afraid of the daylight during the day, and afraid of the dark in the house at night. I got a night light. Terrified of the crate, but once she is potty trained and trusts me, I'll work on a crate.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Sounds like she in a really bad living condition. Also, has a vet taken a look at her eyes?
imavoter
(646 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)I've had a few dogs in my time that had eye problems. It could be part of why she's skittish.
CountAllVotes
(20,882 posts)She seemed to have trouble walking and did not seem to like people and was not house broken at 3-1/2 years old.
Seems she'd been debarked and abused.
She also had a severe case of hookworm and had bites all over her.
Her ears were infected with parasites.
The walking problem turned out to be severe hip dysplasia. She panted a lot as well.
Seems she was in severe pain.
One day I went out in the backyard and found she had dug a long pit and was laying in it. It was adjacent to where my old dog that had died was buried.
I knew that day what I had to do.
I had her put down after consulting with the vet.
They asked me if I wanted to bring her home and bury her. I asked what other options were available.
They told me of a pet cemetery near-by.
I knew then what to do.
Man was not her best friend. Other animals were.
I had her cremated.
I have never considered having a dog since as it made me so very sad.
On another note, the person that did these awful things to her was finally caught 12 years later for animal abuse in 2018. She lives in Ohio. From my understanding she got nailed, and got nailed good.
God damn these people that abuse animals.
They are sub-human evil monsters!
I hope the dog comes around and that there aren't any medical problems that you aren't aware of as was my case.
I put well over $3,000+ into her. I tried to do everything I could for her. The reality was that there was nothing that could be done given the hip x-rays alone. I tried to make it work but it just was not meant to be I guess.
I least I got her OUT of that awful situation in Carroll, Ohio. She died hopefully knowing that she was indeed loved.
That's all I can say right now. Just typing this sickens me.
cate94
(2,816 posts)Talking softly and just sitting near them helps. Id be on the floor a few feet from her bed just telling her she is a good girl. Chances are she hasnt heard that much.
Be extra affectionate with anyone who lives in the same household and tell them you love them. That way when you tell her that shell know shes part of the pack.
The fact that she follows you means she trusts you, so that is a good start.
Im glad you are adopting her.
imavoter
(646 posts)so I've officially adopted her - I am waiting on them to transfer the chip ownership to me and then we should be done.
As soon as that's done, I'm taking her to my vet.
I'm not saying the other vet is bad, but she needs a more through exam.
Also her bobbed tail does not wag...and I want to make sure she is not in pain.
Potty is getting better with dehydrated liver used for behavior modification....
but she still seems scared of the mornings and doesn't' like to pee outside much in the AM.
It's a work in progress, but I will bring this up with the vet and ask for her to check for a UTI, even
though I was told by the rescues vet it was resolved.
I want blood work and a physical exam head to toe where they feel around for everything.
Now that she's mine, I can also get the vet records from the resuce vet and the previoius foster vet.
Any more suggestions on morning potty? I've put her pee pads outside and am using liver, but she just won't go in the AM outside. I think she's sacred of the daytime, but scared of the dark in the house at night.
She just now finally starting - sometimes - to take food from our hands.
Your thoughts?
imavoter
(646 posts)we've finally got her peeing outside using behavior mod with beef liver....she just won't squat during the day.
I'm stumped.
Taking her to my own vet next week now that she's officially ours.