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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsAnyone experienced a "Coast to Coast" Amtrak trip?
I have reserved a round trip rail pass from California to Virginia. It is a four day/three night trip each way.
The reason for my decision to travel on train rather than air, was largely based on wanting to avoid anti-maskers/vaxxers on flights and their disruptive/wackadoodle behavior delaying the trip or worse.
I'm now having second thoughts though, and thinking about cancelling Amtrak and booking a flight instead.
The reason for that is to save money. while traveling in coach all the way is roughly about the same as booking a flight, the experience of riding coach all the way at my age maybe just about as brutal an experience as I'm beginning to imagine. the cheapest sleeper is still way too high priced on a one way for my budget.
Before I cancel, I thought I'd check in with folks here for your own personal experiences and recommendations.
TIA....
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msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)I believe the Zephyr starts in Chicago. I would always choose train over plane if I had the time & could afford it.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)Chicago will be a major layover, a train switch, and four or five hour delay.
I thought the whole ride was on a Zephyr, thinking there were more than one Zephyr Trains. I have to check that.
Did your friend ride coach, business or the economically privileged class?
Part of the other reason for taking the train for me, was to see all that is possible. Problem with flying, is flying over and never seeing the landscape from the ground.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)Since this is a "pleasure" trip...
I actually haven't checked out the pricing difference. I'd expect it to be way out of my budget. but I'll double check!
mopinko
(70,103 posts)maaaannnny moons ago.
it was a great trip.
only been on one train ride since, and yeah, 67, and too old for that shit.
markie
(22,756 posts)often... always enjoyed it and given the opportunity, or need, will do so again... my trips were usually 3-4 days and I loved the ability to move about and watch at leisure the passing landscape... usually had positive experiences with fellow passengers
have to say though, a sleeper is an extra special treat
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)like about $1500 one way. over three grand round trip. impossible for me financially.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)I was 70, and coach was challenging, but not terrible.
I'd do it again, but I'd spring for a roomette next time.
I went Eugene to Los Angeles once with a roomette, and it was a much more comfortable experience.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)maybe I'll just upgrade instead of cancel. I'll be paying it off for a couple of years. but then it might be worth it.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)train trip to Prague years ago when I was younger. And that was on a comfortable European train with no delays. I've taken Amtrak NE Corridor trains, and they are not much better than local commuter rail.
Food, sleep, showering... Some legs of the trip might be crowded, and you can't get up and move around easily. And you can run into idiots on a train, too.
Airport jerks get publicity, but I don't think there are really that many of them. At any rate, you only have to deal with them for a few hours and the ordeal is over.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)I want to go on adventures, but forget that I have to edit those plans to bring in line with economic reality and age factor.
I'll be 71 soon enough, but I keep forgetting to adjust my mind accordingly.
I don't tent camp in triple digit heat anymore either. Just not for me.
I think long air travel is brutal enough... this would be torture.
I just didn't think it through when I made the reservations.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and those observation cars look neat, I can only do a day trip. Maybe overnight. Longer if I could afford my own room.
Another problem-- I looked at one Amtrak schedule a while ago, and some of the best stuff, like the Badlands and Rocky Mts were AT NIGHT!
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and those observation cars look neat, I can only do a day trip. Maybe overnight. Longer if I could afford my own room.
Another problem-- I looked at one Amtrak schedule a while ago, and some of the best stuff, like the Badlands and Rocky Mts were AT NIGHT!
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)I feel like I'm going to miss a lot. Well, certainly Utah, I think we arrive in Salt Lake City like about 3 or 3:30 in the morning..
I dislike that the itinerary of every stop isn't included, only the stops where I switch trains. I sort of felt like I read we'd be in Denver during daylight, I might be misremembering.
I think if I wanted to stretch it out, I could lay over in some of the areas and do an over nighter at a hotel in order to spend a little time to see things, but that option isn't in my budget at the moment.
Even though I've booked the reservation I can cancel up to 48 hrs before departure and get a full refund. That's at least a benefit for me to make some changes if needs must. The "full refund" policy is apparently a limited time offer. I think I read until the end of Sept. (needs fact checking)
I'm still torn.
On the plus side, there is much more room to stretch, comfortable reclining, walk around, chance to take some sights on the upper deck, conductor assists with schlepping baggage for seniors, seniors on first after disabled, and the privileged class...and I've been assured there is security on board. Air filtering systems are supposed to be set to a high degree of circulation frequency, supposed to be frequently changed filters.. charging outlets right there at your seat, and the sanitation is supposed to be at covid free standards, high degree of frequency regarding cleaning restrooms etc. Supposed to be.
One other plus for the train option, is that i'm picked up by the Amtrak motor coach, very close to home, and taken directly to the station, where the driver assists with the schlepping on board. Conductor assists with each transfer, don't have to deal with driving down to SFO or Oakland dealing with horrible commuter traffic, paying for bridge pass, and airport parking or any of the other types of hassles traveling to and from airports, And it's a crap shoot on whether or not passengers will be held "hostage" by the airlines, while parked on the tarmac for unknown reasons and for an indefinite amount of time, unable to leave the plane while they sort out the problem. And that was standard fare in the "before times". Now we have anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers wackadoodles causing all manner of mayhem.
I think I just laid out for myself the reasons to rough it on the train, rather than travel by air.
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)Masking is not enforced, and many riders dont mask. Conductors fail to announce the mask requirement at most stops. They dont want any trouble with passengers.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)it says so on the outgoing message when you call, and I asked my ticket agent hows strongly is masking is enforced.
This is really quite troubling report. hmm. guess I'll have to dress in a hazmat suit after all.
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)not as concerned as you and me. Very disappointing. I felt safe due to my double vaxxed state. But its not good. My most common trips are three hours- Fresno to Martinez and back.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)Have to figure how to deal with this now.
I do appreciate the heads up, so thank you for that.
I think I'm going to make a call again to both health department and Amtrak.
Aristus
(66,352 posts)Someday...
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)I want to see the country, but can't drive a car all the way.
Amtrak next best thing....
Me.
(35,454 posts)had to go from NYC to Flint so decided to have an adventure and booked a sleeper with a separate bathroom. There are 'roomettes' where the toilet is next to the 'bed'. In the separate you do have a shower but you have to sit on toilet to use it. The food was beyond bad and the ride was so rocky you could hardly sleep. We decided it would've been better and way less expensive to book big business class seats. The only positive was the people who worked the train...really great. A bad plane flight would only, hopefully, take hours. It was nothing like European or Canadian trains
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)or light speed rail across country.
Probably won't see it in my lifetime, though.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I like trains and have taken trains from England to France and vice versa. Saw a video with a Japanese train which looked great. That Amtrak is so bad is disgraceful. THey don't even supply a decent table coth in the dining car. THey're those papery fiberous things that stick to your clothes. Not asking for Orient Express...
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)there will be no dining available except for folks booked in the economically privileged private rooms etc.
Dining room is closed, but there will be "room service" for them.
Coach eats what they bring or the "take out" from the cafe.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Coach eats what they bring or the "take out" from the cafe.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)and bring my own spirits..
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)Aristus
(66,352 posts)Most videographers enjoy it.
I was a tank crewman in the Army. Bad food? Been there, done that.
Rocky travel? Par for the course on a tank.
Seeing the country in relative comfort? Priceless...
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)Plus, my destination is the Blue Ridge Mountains, and part of the Appalachian Trail. So there's that!
empedocles
(15,751 posts)We wore our best face masks the whole time. Felt so unhealthy. Plane was packed. No extra room. Counscious of the slow moving, edgy, crowd getting on, loading luggage, getting off. Sardines packed.
By contrast, while in Boston took, took a 2.5 hour round train side trip to Connecticut. Some empty seats. Wide aisles. Lot of head and leg room. Passengers more relaxed. 2 minute load and unload. Did not feel the disease exposure at all.
We did the DC to SF via La trip and loved it - but had sleeper accomodations, [and side visits - tickets allowed that].
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)more space, more relaxed, easy boarding.
so torn.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)back to my calculator.
Maybe, I'll just charge it and worry about paying it off later.
PortTack
(32,767 posts)You have the more expensive bedroom.
I will do it again..just not now
MiniMe
(21,716 posts)We had a sleeper though. Totally enjoyed the trip, but big difference when you are 4 years old and when you are an adult.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)and from New Mexico to Kansas City. Both times I booked a roomette. Keep in mind that meals are included if you do a roomette. And even before the pandemic you could have meals brought to your compartment if you so wished. I very much enjoyed meeting new people at meals.
Also, the price you are paying includes overnight accommodations, a moving hotel room. Calculate what even a budget motel (Super 8, Motel 6) might cost for those nights, and you will probably be ahead of the game.
In April of 2020 I was booked to to to Seattle via Chicago, which would have been three overnights in train, plus hotel in Chicago. I was very much looking forward to it. Alas, the thing I was planning to attend in Chicago was cancelled because of the pandemic, so I didn't take that trip. Maybe next year, or in 2023.
Another thing about Amtrak is prices can very widely, depending on when you book and when you plan to travel. I'd suggest you look at a bunch of different dates.
Personally, any travel I do in the foreseeable future will be by car, since I'm not willing to put up with the current state of air travel, and would prefer to wait until things are closer to "normal" to go by train.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)It would have been my first choice. If I had someone to come with, share the driving, in fact do most of the driving
I actually will be house/pet sitting for a musician friend of mine who will be teaching in Alaska while I'm scheduled to be at her new digs in the Blue Ridge Mountains. It's going to be a fabulous retreat for me. But the dates to be there is a must do factor.
I have Macular Degeneration, it's too risky for me to drive at night, or even in the day in certain instances.
I'm keeping in mind your suggestion though on future travel adventures, where there is no commitment tied in to destination.
It's very good to know that prices can vary that widely. There was a time not that long ago it seems, where the pricing was quite fixed, and scheduled published in a booklet that you could bank on.
It appears, Amtrak has taken to the airline industry of setting prices. Changing every 20 seconds.
I do hear ya on the covid concerns. I have them too. I'm packing the sterile gloves, lots of fresh masks, wipes and the whole kit and kaboodle. Maybe a hazmat suit to boot!
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)five or six years I've paid attention to it.
I think when you account for the fact the trains are traveling continuously, with only brief stops, and include the overnight accommodations, it can be, well maybe not a bargain, but a reasonable trade-off. Especially as you cannot drive at night.
Of course, it's easy for me to be cavalier about someone else's finances.
In recent years I've gone to fewer trips, but more luxuries and comforts. About a decade ago, I decided that the rare times I fly I'm going to book first class. If I book the flight far enough in advance, I find I can get a fare I'm willing to pay. Obviously not the cheapest fare, but it comes with perks: free baggage check, seat assignment, priority boarding, meals, drinks. Sometimes a cheap coach fare has a lot of add-on fees that make it more expensive than a non-restricted coach fare, or perhaps even my advance purchase first class fare. But the financial decision is highly personal.
In March of 2020 I took a cruise to Hawaii. It was a delayed 70th birthday present to myself (by the time I took the cruise I was already 71), delayed largely because of the extra cost of travelling alone. Cruise lines are not very friendly to the solo passenger, alas. I finally decided it was a milestone birthday, I could afford it, and I deserved it. I am so very glad for so many reasons that I made that trip. March 1-18, San Diego to Hawaii and back. My only other cruise, one in the Caribbean in 2015, I discovered I liked the days at sea even better than the days in port, so I wanted one with lots of sea days. Which this one had. I also treated myself to a room with a balcony, and spent a lot of quality time on said balcony with a glass of wine. I also met some lovely people I've stayed in touch with, and did have great tours on land. My point here is how nice it can be to treat yourself, although I will repeat that I know everyone's finances are different.
Whatever you decide, I hope it works out well for you.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)But in recent years, being aware of the health risks in terms of being exposed to various viruses and other contagions on board a ship, has really dampened those ideas. The only one I still think about occasionally is an Alaskan Cruise.
Way back in 1999, I was a part of an "orchestra" on a multi-venue concert tour through the Kenai Peninsula. We flew and chartered a couple of tour buses and a plane for some areas. It was one of the most amazing experiences (apart from the performances) with spectacular scenic views and sounds of glaciers, sea life, frozen lakes and of course mountains The opalescent colors of the glaciers and the reflective colors in the sky and atmosphere were just Stunning! Something I would love to experience again, perhaps on a cruise.
On that tour, we had taken a one day off from concert performances, took a ferry from Seward and enjoyed a splendid experience of cruising through glaciers, the sounds of glaciers "calving" is both an eerie and wondrous sound. A prolific population of Orcas accompanied our ferry. Fun memories.
I lived in Hawaii when I was in High School back in the 60's for a couple of years. My father is buried at Punch Bowl Veterans Cemetery and have a lot of 'family' from my step mom's side of the family. Have visited on occasions through the years, still it saddens me more and more with every trip, in terms of what has happened on the island of Oahu. I know of course there is still a lot of beauty, and particularly on the other islands, but it'll be just a matter of time when they go the way of Oahu too. More or less.
Travel bucket list might be limited to financial affordability, but it certainly is filling up!
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)Both were on Holland America, and their ships tend to have 2,000 people or fewer, depending on just how full a given cruise is. So there's simply not the vast overcrowding there is on the mega-ships that some other companies use.
Their cleanliness standards are high. On that Hawaii cruise, the ramping up of cleaning and sanitizing was very noticeable. We all, or at least everyone I talked to, felt incredibly safe while on board. Our final stop, in Ensenada, Mexico, still took place, but passengers were not allowed off the ship. No one minded. I'd have perhaps done a little shopping, eaten lunch, but I sat in one of the lounges with some new friends, had a couple of gin and tonics, and enjoyed the view.
In 1971 I spent a month in Honolulu, staying in a friend's apartment. I went back several time the next year or so. At the time I was an airline employee so I could travel pretty much for free. This time, as much as I enjoyed it, I was distressed by the incredible growth. Of course that's happened in lots of places during the past decades. At least on the cruise, for the first time ever, I saw some other islands, not just Oahu.
I know what you mean about the bucket list.
mitch96
(13,904 posts)My dear Aunt did not fly so it was the train for her. I went with her twice. Once was slow and cheap and one was with a sleeper. I did not care for it. We got stopped on sidings so trains than made money could leap frog a head of us... I don't care for sitting around looking at stationary corn and sorghum fields for hours on end...
Also in this day and age with the virus I don't want to be with large groups of people for long periods of time...
Years ago a co worker took the trans Canada train and had a GREAT time...
YMMV
m
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)for the vast spaces of no internet connection.
I'll check in during the hot spot moments.
I'm paranoid about it too, but I want to be in the Blue Ridge Mountains before my time is up in this world, and enjoy a little hike through a bit of the Appalachian Trail while I'm still able.
Life is short and we never know when we're done here.
mitch96
(13,904 posts)If you catch them just right on a sunny morning with the fog in the valleys they are truly blue.. More of a blue/gray and stunning. While there if you get a chance the Blue Ridge parkway is a treat. Built during the Roosevelt administration, it is a national park.. The last time I was there the speed limit was 45 mph and a speeding ticket is a federal offense!! Take a side road and you are in rural Virginia and North Carolina... The real Appalachians.. I rode the length of it on my motorcycle and it was memorable.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ridge_Parkway
https://www.blueridgeparkway.org/
Yes the autotrain packs your car up and you ride in a coach.. A bit more expensive than driving and a bit longer but you don't have to drive the long way down to Florida...
https://www.amtrak.com/auto-train
I'll take the bike 😉
m
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)the Blue Ridge Parkway when heading north from South Carolina. Well, part of it, anyway. Can't remember all the details, other than it was lovely.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)Gorgeous! It will be interesting if the leaves will be turning by mid-September. Probably not until October/November I suspect, unless an early Fall sets in.
Apart from music sessions and connections, I'm definitely going to take a drive on the parkway. Going for hikes too.
I hope my android phone camera captures will do justice to photo shots. I saw someone's photos on their new iphone and it was just dropping in terms of resolution and brilliance. Wishing that I had one, but maybe a new Galaxy is to put on my shopping list.
regardless, this image is brilliant, thank you!
Laffy Kat
(16,378 posts)The only thing I'd change is to perhaps book a sleeper if you're able to keep from getting fatigued.
Are you going to keep us posted while en route?
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)on my first leg of the journey, I'm clear there will not be wifi available going through the Rocky's and that's a significant portion of the western route. Denver might be my first chance, definitely Chicago. !!
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)from Montreal to Vancouver. Someday, someday.
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)Unfortunately, the last leg from Jasper was rainy.
A few of my favorite shots from the train
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)Thank you for posting them.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)Hiawatha Pete - his site is North America by Rail - https://northamericabyrail.info/
Great pictures and information on the site about all sorts of different trips. I don't think he has taken the route you are planning but he could give you some good advice about rail travel.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)Going to check it out right now.
yellowdogintexas
(22,252 posts)not in The TIme of Covid, of course
We have discussed taking Amtrak to a stop just south of Phoenix when traveling to visit our daughter. Flying is actually cheaper but my husband is a train junkie.
cally
(21,593 posts)I love the train but sitting up for 4 days would be very uncomfortable for me. Also, when I took trains pre-covid, it seemed to be a more conservative crowd. I would not expect all would mask up especially when sleeping or in their seats. Ive thought about a few trips by train during covid but I decided it was way too risky for me.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)New England to San Diego round trip two times.
I found sleeping in coach very uncomfortable and difficult to do.
Add to that other passengers walking about, talking, snoring all hours of the day and night.
On one leg of one trip a passenger drank a lot of beers and was obviously drunk but no one from Amtrak seem to notice or care. He loudly bragged about his condition to the rest of the passengers in the coach car.
Changing cars and the layover in Chicago appears to be a necessity. Somewhere I read or was told rightly or not that rail track size east of Chicago is different than that west of Chicago so trains have to be changed. I don't know how accurate that is.
Except for a short distance I would never do coach again. I did one trip in a sleeper car Albuquerque to San Diego and that is definitely the only way I would ride Amtrak again but the price is outrageous.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)Seems like chartering a motor coach would be cheaper.
actually the price on roomettes keep climbing just like air fares. it's infuriating!
whistler162
(11,155 posts)I have in the distant past, 2000nds, been from Syracuse NY to Sacramento to San Francisco to Portland to Syracuse and then for my 50th Syracuse to LA to Seattle to Vancouver to Toronto to Syracuse. Great trips both but I did the long distances by sleeper so meals were included. The trip from Chicago to Virginia on the Capital Limited is scenic.
Flash953
(85 posts)I went from San Francisco to Seattle and it was well worth it. Now traffic jams, no driving, The food isnt awesome but you can wear a mask and you'll meet some interesting people and the scenery will be awesome. You'll probably want a bed though.