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Talking with friends and we were pondering, if we still did Presidential elections like we did in 1796 (Adams/Jefferson) where the 1st place vote-getter is President and 2nd place in Veep, what do we think would be the Five Most Toxic Pres-VP.
Essentially the rules are which 5 do you think would have the most problems in working together (one is undermining the other, won't speak to one another, loathe one another, etc). Also, you can't change the combinations; i.e. you cannot say, "Well, person A wouldn't have run in Year-X." It's the two people who finished first and second that ran in that election.
My five in chronological order:
1. 1828(and 1832): John Q. Adams and Andrew Jackson. Jackson would still have been fuming even with being Vice-President. 1832 would have been bad because Jackson was such a jerk, I am guessing he'd still be mad about 28.
2. 1864 Abraham Lincoln and George McClellan. I had 4 others to choose from (Roosevelt-Hoover, Johnson-Goldwater, Clinton-Bush, Trump-Clinton), but went with this. McClellan would have made a most difficult VP; he was angry and bitter he had been fired by Lincoln, that Grant had done a much better job as General, and so on. Lincoln would have likely had to keep him as far away from DC as possible, and have him watched every minute.
3. Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt. Teddy is one of my favorite presidents. But, at the time, he was a larger-than-life persona who had been President and had an opinion on everything. Imagine trying to be President with Roosevelt's stature constantly looming over you as your V.P.
4. George Bush and Al Gore. I see this as a very messy co-existence. Everything that happened in Florida made for a very acrimonious relationship if this were the combination. I just see this being a mess between the two.
5. Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Unlike Jackson, Trump ran against two different people so he couldn't be lumped into one, like John Quincy and Jackson. Trump and Clinton would likely have been an ugly relationship, but look at how Trump acts now. He's created the Office of the Former President because he can't let it go that he lost. Imagine him as Vice-President with all the goodies available to him. It would likely be a million times worse than Jerry Brown and Mike Curb were in California. I could see, every time Biden left D.C. (even to go to Delaware) Trump proclaiming himself Acting President and issuing thousands of new directives -- most of which proclaimed that he really won the election. His fan club would be just as bad. Each day we'd hear how tomorrow was the day Trump would be president again. Oh... and he'd likely still be on twitter with the media presenting every tweet as if it were akin to Moses with tablets from God.
hlthe2b
(102,360 posts)vis-a vis the Iranian hostages.
Even more so than Bush* and Gore.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)... with the growing tensions between them. (That happened to a President who never owned slaves back then, of course.)
Such a POTUS/VP arrangement absolutely couldn't happen anymore, especially after the years of demonization by Republicans against Democrats.
There would probably be more assassination attempts if it was still done that way.
AllaN01Bear
(18,391 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)If you click on the maps, the EC numbers can be seen.
https://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/
AllaN01Bear
(18,391 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,391 posts)we have a lot of work do do. @ one point we weere all blue , what happened ? 1920 , 1916,1924. 1912. was all red except for a patch in the south east .