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NNadir

(33,475 posts)
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:11 AM Dec 2021

Cool word that's new to me: "Swarf."

I came across it here: Sustainable Recycling of Rare-Earth Elements from NdFeB Magnet Swarf: Techno-Economic and Environmental Perspectives (Nighat Afroz Chowdhury, Sidi Deng, Hongyue Jin, Denis Prodius, John W. Sutherland, and Ikenna C. Nlebedim ACS Sustainable Chemistry & Engineering 2021 9 (47), 15915-15924.)

It means the chips, dust, and grinding residue of machining metals.

Cool word. I hope to find some occasion to use it someday.

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Cool word that's new to me: "Swarf." (Original Post) NNadir Dec 2021 OP
I was hoping I would find it used here. Sounds apocryphal, but maybe not. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #1
Interesting if true, although quite frankly, I doubt its veracity. NNadir Dec 2021 #7
I thought it would be a fun name for a robot. :) nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2021 #2
Smurf NJCher Dec 2021 #3
I always thought of swarf in another context. The Jungle 1 Dec 2021 #4
I believe the gap is a kerf. flying rabbit Dec 2021 #5
Yea it is. The Jungle 1 Dec 2021 #8
Shworf FrankTC Dec 2021 #6

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,311 posts)
1. I was hoping I would find it used here. Sounds apocryphal, but maybe not.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:37 AM
Dec 2021
Mikoyan/Gurevich MiG-15

{snip}

George Long, e-mail, 15.01.2011 06:08

{snip}

The Soviet guests wore soft rubber soled shoes when they toured the factory, and showed special interest in each workstation that made the critical parts, allowing the machinist's metal shavings to become embedded in their soft sole shoes. Each 'guest' collected samples from each workstation related to a specific part, and no others, so when they returned to their hotel, they collected the samples for analysis of the metal in Russia.

{snip}

NNadir

(33,475 posts)
7. Interesting if true, although quite frankly, I doubt its veracity.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 01:44 PM
Dec 2021

The tale, in the comments from your link, comes with the bizarre statement "God Bless Ronald Reagan."

Right wingers often make statements like these when referring to technical issues related to the cold war, which amount to dismissal of Soviet Science, the belief that there was no science and technology in the Soviet Union in Stalin's time. However, the Soviet Union was able to manufacture, during the Second World War, the T-34 tank was superior to those of all other combatants, including the US's Sherman tank. The technology involved advanced metallurgy.

I occasionally read scientific literature from the 1950's and 1960's, including some examples of published conference reports from the early interactions between Soviet and scientists from other countries on their approaches to nuclear power. Of course Americans read copies of Soviet scientific Journals and the Soviets read Western scientific journals. I recall reading an amusing statement somewhere, it's buried somewhere deep in my files and can't pull up the reference easily, that both sides were aware of the technology utilized to make plutonium based weapons because both sides had published the phase diagrams of almost all of major metal alloys of plutonium except that of gallium. (Gallium is necessary to stabilize the delta phase of plutonium in nuclear weapons.) The early conferences took place because scientists on both sides understood that the cat was out of the bag because of what the other side didn't say. The Soviet Union would have developed nuclear weapons without access Fuchs, perhaps a little later than they did. It is also true that the Soviets found the US's "Mike" thermonuclear test laughable, and Sakharov built the first deliverable hydrogen bomb, well in advance of the American technology.

As for jet engines:

Modern Russia dominates the world's nickel supply, using the same arctic mines set up by Stalin using slave labor from the Gulag in 1942. (Before June 22, 1941, nickel was a major export to Stalin's Nazi allies.) I recently wrote about these terrible mines elsewhere: Nickel oxide is literally green, which is good for your very "green" electric car that's saving...

Nickel is the base metal for almost all superalloys, essential to the manufacture of jet engines. (I note that during the war the big limitation for the Nazi efforts to scale up the ME-262 was a lack of access to Nickel.) I'm sure one form of espionage was simply to look at the metals the Germans ordered from the Soviet Union.

This is not to say that it was any less true in the 20th century that industrial espionage took place than it did. It surely did. But secrecy has always had limits.

Just as the US and Britain were anxious to employ German scientists, for their expertise, including those who participated in horrific abuse of slave labor (Werner Von Braun for example), and also carefully studied captured industrial facilities, so too did the Soviets. In fact the Soviet Union captured more of Nazi Germany's surface area than did the Western allies. I don't think they needed British swarf to build the MIG. (There, I got to use the word in a sentence!!!! - Thanks for the opportunity.)

All this said, Soviet scientists were no slouches in metallurgy. They were very advanced.

I have in my library 10 volumes of a series on the analytical chemistry of various elements that was written by Soviet Scientists in the 1950s and 1960s and translated into English by Isreali scientists in 1963. It's an excellent overview of the chemistry of elements, including niobium and tantalum, elements crucial to some classes of advanced alloys. I can still refer to texts in these series and learn new things. Most of the cited literature is Russian.

I note that Russia also dominates the world supply of rhenium and one of my favorite commentaries from the above mentioned series is a discussion of technetium and how foolish the author considered that this important element, a very close analogue of rhenium, a position which more than half a century later, while the element is foolishly considered "nuclear waste." Precisely one reason this element may prove essential to technology because of its applicability in super alloys. The world supply of rhenium is not going to last very long.

Oh, and Ronald Reagan was a fool.

NJCher

(35,621 posts)
3. Smurf
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:12 AM
Dec 2021

It is unfortunately similar to word that lacks gravitas, so you may have a connotative issue with it.

Good luck; hope we see your effort here.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
4. I always thought of swarf in another context.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:08 AM
Dec 2021

You must allow for the saw swarf when measuring the number of strips you can cut from a board.
But I guess it is the same thing. If the saw is 1/8 it will create a 1/8 gap of swarf. If I have a 5/8 thick board I can make two 1/4 boards allowing for saw swarf.
I guess I never thought of it as the chips made. I thought of it as the gap created by the cutting tool.

FrankTC

(210 posts)
6. Shworf
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:44 AM
Dec 2021

Bavarian for tail (approximately). As in squirrel shworf. You can use it alot in sentences that you don't necessarily want or expect others to understand.
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