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brush

(53,776 posts)
6. Washington, Franklin and Mona Lisa are my favs. Also Van Gogh.
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 08:42 PM
Feb 2022

But come on, shouldn't Cleopatra have darker skin? She wasn't a white woman.

brush

(53,776 posts)
10. Recent articles on Cleopatra suggest that her mother belonged to an African family.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 12:16 AM
Feb 2022
Cleopatra’s skin color statement can be found in an article published by Nadra Nittle ( 2019 ).

It is mentioned that she is always portrayed as having white skin color but is that true? This statement points towards her mother belonging to an African family and probably being a black-colored woman.

The article was based on the remains of a woman found by archaeologists in 2009. The remains belonged to one of Cleopatra’s sisters, pointing towards the fact that their mother was an African.

However, there is another side to the story. It states that the remains were not found in 2009 but were discovered first in 1926. But, it was discovered to be Princess Arsinoe’s remain only in 1985 by Austrian Scholar Hilke Thur

But it cannot be taken as 100 percent accurate as no name or any other evidence was proving the remains of Arsinoe.


https://historyten.com/ancient-egypt/what-did-cleopatra-really-look-like/#:~:text=Cleopatra%2C%20the%20Egyptian%20Queen%20has%20gained%20massive%20popularity,be%20wearing%20low%20neckline%20gowns%20with%20heavy%20makeup.
 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
13. Cleopatra was southern European (Greek) she was related to Alexander The Great.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:00 AM
Feb 2022

Hence the city of Alexandra in Egypt, which was a Greek colony. (Before it was a Roman colony)

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
15. Honestly that idea has been disproven multiple times.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:22 AM
Feb 2022

Plus, we know what she looks like. She is a fairly modern figure with plenty of contemporaneous reports. This isn't King Tut. Cleopatra is closer to our time than she was to the old kingdom Pharaohs.

I will never understand the bizarre fixation on trying to prove a person who was in a very incestuous Greek family to be secretly sub sub-saharan African.

brush

(53,776 posts)
16. Who mentioned sub-Saharan? Stop projecting. Eygptians are African. And multipe comcubines were...
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:29 AM
Feb 2022

common then. No one knows for sure. And you certainly don't either.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
17. Most Egyptians are not black though and Cleopatra was not Egyptian.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:57 AM
Feb 2022

There is a difference between North Africans and Sub-Saharan Africans in general appearance, per the strange standards we have here in the United States.


And once again we do know what she looked like because she was a fairly famous person who lived during a time we still have plentiful historical records, pictures, statues ect.


brush

(53,776 posts)
18. Again, no one mentioned sub-Saharan but you. Egyptians are African. Do you get that?
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:30 AM
Feb 2022

The research I reference suggests her mother may have been African, which includes Egyptians. Are we clear?

And she's described as having "frizzy hair." Since when is "frizzy hair" characteristic of white people? It sure seems to indicated mixed.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
12. Some are better done than others.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 12:58 AM
Feb 2022

Mona Lisa's modern picture shows a more square jawline and face shape than the painting.

I am no fan of Henry VIII, a misogynist and tyrant. But why the shaved head?

Washington and Franklin updates look pretty conservative for a couple of rebels.

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