Quote from John Wayne movie: "Never apologize, it's a sign of weakness!"

[LakeArenal]

Way too many people have taken that pearl of wisdom as fact. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[I_have_a_cat_bite]

1. John Wayne movies...

... were a part of my cousins' home school curriculum.

[mitch96]

2. Like using directional flashers while driving a car in Miami...A sign of weakness..😝..nt

[Rocknation]

3. That's how New Jersey drivers feel about using turn signals

We consider it an invasion of privacy.


Rocknation

[LakeArenal]

7. Boston too.

[ItsjustMe]

4. You never blame yourself

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216382224

[smirkymonkey]

21. What a psycho!

What is wrong with people who can't apologize or accept blame? I don't understand it. Why is it so hard for them?

[Jack from Charlotte]

5. Marion John Wayne never apologized for sitting out WW2, did he?

I know he expressed regret after the war ended. And he was in a bunch of war movies so that's the same thing.

[LakeArenal]

8. He did like to slap women in his movies as well.

[Sibelius Fan]

12. He was playing a character.

In real life, he married three times, once to a Spanish-American and twice to Latin Americans at a time when such marriages weren’t exactly the norm.

[abqtommy]

13. I've seen him slap a woman in a film* and in the movies Donovan's Reef and

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McClintock he does spank an adult woman with either his hand or using a coal shovel.
And somebody thought it was a good idea to write that into those scripts.

*The Quiet Man

[niyad]

23. Did you ever see "The Quiet Man"? That endlessly long scene was appalling on

so many levels. And t was the same actress in both it and "mc clintock".

[abqtommy]

24. You're right. I have seen that and thanks for jogging my memory. I don't approve of

any of that. I've edited my previous reply here.

[Sibelius Fan]

11. He tried to enlist numerous times, but the studio sabotaged his efforts.

Also, he had a family and was 34 when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Not exactly a candidate for the front lines.

BTW - the average age for an American draftee in WWII was 26.

[Jack from Charlotte]

15. Clark Gable was 41 when he enlisted......

a few months after his wife, Carole Lombard died in a plane crash selling war bonds. Gable was a big, big star, also.

The studio interfered with Marion's attempts to enlist? Movie studio has sway over WW2 enlistments? Really?

Go read up on actor, Sterling Hayden's military career while Wayne was making movies.

[Sibelius Fan]

17. What does it matter what other actors did?

America's entry into World War II resulted in a deluge of support for the war effort from all sectors of society, and Hollywood was no exception. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status (classified as 3-A – family deferment). Wayne repeatedly wrote to John Ford saying he wanted to enlist, on one occasion inquiring whether he could get into Ford's military unit.[39] Wayne did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing him, since he was their only A-list actor under contract. Herbert J. Yates, president of Republic, threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract,[40] and Republic Pictures intervened in the Selective Service process, requesting Wayne's further deferment.[41]
U.S. National Archives records indicate that Wayne, in fact, did make an application[42] to serve in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), precursor to the modern CIA, and had been accepted within the U.S. Army's allotted billet to the OSS. William J. Donovan, OSS commander, wrote Wayne a letter informing him of his acceptance into the Field Photographic Unit as a special forces commando, but the letter went to his estranged wife Josephine's home. She never told him about it. Wayne toured U.S. bases and hospitals in the South Pacific for three months in 1943 and 1944,[43] with the USO.[44][45][46] During this trip, he carried out a request from Donovan to assess whether General Douglas MacArthur, commander of the South West Pacific Area, or his staff were hindering the work of the OSS.[21]: 88  Donovan later issued Wayne an OSS Certificate of Service to memorialize Wayne's contribution to the OSS mission.[21]: 88 [47]
By many accounts, his failure to serve in the military later became the most painful part of his life.[39] His widow later suggested that his patriotism in later decades sprang from guilt, writing: "He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest oF his life. - Source: Wikipedia

[Jack from Charlotte]

30. Wayne CHOSE not to serve unlike other people (actors) in the same situation who chose ....

to serve. You mention his age.... 34, made him exempt. Fine. I never said he broke any laws. But unlike a much bigger star, Clark Gable at age 41..... Wayne Chose not to serve. Re his exemption as sole provider for his family.... Wayne was a focking millionaire. Know what a million 1942 dollars is worth today? About $17 million. Guessing his family could had gotten by without Wayne working for 2 or 3 years. That exemption was for a guy making average 1942 pay, around $50 a week and providing for his family.

Wayne applied and was accepted into OSS before enlisting.. which he never quite got around to? Really?

If Wayne had time to tour bases in '43 and '44 why couldn't he have joined the army instead. Not very dangerous at those bases unlike say at Tarawa.

Wayne was the consummate chicken -hawk.

[texasfiddler]

6. The quote that creates assholes

I have always hated that quote.

[smirkymonkey]

18. +1000

I'll say. The words of a sociopath.

[Aristus]

9. F*****g John Wayne.

Need I say more?

[LakeArenal]

10. Nope. 😉

[Wounded Bear]

14. It was a staple on NCIS for many seasons...

Finally, though, even Gibbs had to admit it was a shit rule and being able to apologize with conviction is necessary between friends and family and is just good practice for one's soul.

[ChazII]

16. NCIS, too.

Rule #6: Never apologize — Its a sign of weakness. A rule used more often than the others, but finally given a number in 7×12 ‘Flesh and Blood’ during a great Gibbs / DiNozzo moment. The first person to use that phrase was John Wayne in, “ She Wore a Yellow Ribbon .” “Never apologize, mister, it. It’s a sign of weakness.”

[smirkymonkey]

19. No, John. You know what weakness is? It is the inability to own up to your part in something.

That is weakness.

When an adult realizes they have done something wrong, they apologize to another person for any harm they might have committed.

Perhaps none, but they are always careful to be certain that no harm was done because of something they were a part of. Apologizing is a sign of strength.

As usual, macho bullshit forced on to society as a sign of "streghth"!

[LakeArenal]

20. Manly is when your other brings you a throw because it's getting chilly.

When you’ve had an argument and you both end up laughing. Real men are nice.

[malthaussen]

22. "Love means not ever having to say you're sorry."

God, that quote was so popular in the early 70s. People love them an excuse for not taking responsibility.

-- Mal

[niyad]

25. Did you ever see "What's Up, Doc?" with Barbra Streisand and Ryan O'Neil?

She says that line to Ryan at the end of the movie, and he replies something like "that is the dumbest thng I ever heard". Absolute crackup, since it was the line delivered to him in "Love Story".

[malthaussen]

26. Forgot about that. :)

I love inside gags like that.

-- Mal

[niyad]

27. As do I.

[malthaussen]

28. One of the things that makes the Grant/Russell "Girl Friday" so good...

... all the ad-lib gags Grant and Russell threw at each other, each trying to top the other. Might be my second-favorite comedy of all time ("Blazing Saddles" being the first), but that list keeps shifting every time I watch one of them.

Some of those ad-libs were literally thrown. Rosalind Russell says tossing her handbag at Cary was a spur-of-the-moment thing.

-- Mal

[niyad]

29. You are talking about one of my favourite movies! Absolutely love it!

And I do remember hearing tha about handbag scene. Two amazing talents.