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intrepidity

(8,595 posts)
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 05:12 PM Apr 2022

An observation about captive vs wild animals

Having watched thousands of videos of both captive and free-range wildlife, as well domesticated animals, I recently had an epiphany of sorts: nearly all of the scenes where the animal(s) displayed obvious joy, humor, and just basically a sense of happiness, were the animals that felt safe--mostly from being in captivity.

Exceptions? Yes, of course, all kinds and for a multitude of reasons--but I'm not speaking of those.

My whole life, I have almost unquestioningly accepted that wildlife needs to be free--like after an injured animal is healed, it must be returned to the wild, for some reason; else its spirit would eventually be crushed.

But, in this current era of YouTube etc and the nearly unlimited footage of critters being critters, I've come to believe that captivity is not the worst thing that an animal--even a wild one--can face. Almost without exception, footage of wildlife in the wild depicts animals struggling to survive, palpable fear expressed in its eyes and movements. Always on the lookout for prey or predator.

But, in captivity, they quite often display genuine joy, happiness, contentment, playfulness, curiosity, exploration, even a sense of humor. Noticing this has had a profound effect on how I view our relationship with other creatures.

As a child, I can remember crying when I thought about how terrible life for captive animals must be--even my own pet birds and fish and hamsters and cats and dogs, even though they were well cared for--like they were being deprived of some magical experience of living in the wild. In truth, living wild is a terrifying, brutal existence for most creatures.

Just a recent observation I thought I'd share. Plus, there's a lesson there for human society as well, that when the need to claw one's way through life, struggling for every meal, for shelter, for survival, there's little left over for joy, happiness, curiosity, exploration, etc. We've been fed a lie about necessity being the mother of invention, and that lifelong continuous hard work is the only way to feel satisfied. I think human society is so utterly dysfunctional in large part because of this. And it doesn't *have* to be that way.

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An observation about captive vs wild animals (Original Post) intrepidity Apr 2022 OP
i see it pretty much that way too. mopinko Apr 2022 #1
I don't know what wild animal footage you've been watching. Phoenix61 Apr 2022 #2
Many predators... 2naSalit Apr 2022 #4
Very true. I went to Disney Animal Kingdom and was Phoenix61 Apr 2022 #6
That's how nature works. 2naSalit Apr 2022 #3
Agree. I never actually cried for captive animals and pets for that reason alone, or Hortensis Apr 2022 #5
I agree with you I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #7

mopinko

(73,954 posts)
1. i see it pretty much that way too.
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 05:16 PM
Apr 2022

i also think it's important for humans to connect with other animals. esp small humans.
i'm glad zoos arent like they used to be, but i'm also pretty glad we still have zoos.

Phoenix61

(18,889 posts)
2. I don't know what wild animal footage you've been watching.
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 06:30 PM
Apr 2022

I’ve seen hours of wolves in the wild being their own happy selves. Yes, wildlife footage often involves preditor-prey scenes. The rabbit may be happier in captivity but I sincerely doubt the wolf or cougar is.

2naSalit

(103,814 posts)
4. Many predators...
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 06:34 PM
Apr 2022

But also other animals, die from the trauma of being captured and/or caged.

Phoenix61

(18,889 posts)
6. Very true. I went to Disney Animal Kingdom and was
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 06:54 PM
Apr 2022

very impressed with their animal containment areas. (Not at all the 10x10 concrete slab, metal bar cages thy dominated zoos in the past.) They are part of a network of zoos that works to maintain animal species lines. I first heard of that watching the TV show about the Brooklyn Zoo.

2naSalit

(103,814 posts)
3. That's how nature works.
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 06:33 PM
Apr 2022

How is it that we (we=western culture) lead ourselves to believe that we know what is best for other species other than we should let them be?

Animals in captivity being better off then living their natural habitat means we have failed as a society and as a species.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Agree. I never actually cried for captive animals and pets for that reason alone, or
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 06:40 PM
Apr 2022

got misty eyed over the joys of wild living, although we delight in seeing it. But my assumptions and observations are similar.

We winter surrounded by wilderness and marsh here in FL. Twice a day a pair of Sandhill cranes carefully brings their youngsters who can't fly yet back and forth across the water to dig holes in our yard, and every day they face grave danger from the alligators who watch for them. The parents squawk and flap their wings when they see one close by but are helpless to actually stop one. There are other predators, too, like hawks when they're small.

Now that the kids are teens, the parents both fly across and the kids stalk up and down the bank looking for a place where they can chance swimming. Just kids, but apparently learning to watch for sudden death comes before learning to fly. Yesterday they found a chance quickly, but the day before they stalked up and down the water's edge for nearly a half hour before daring. Last week I scared off Herschel, one of the alligators, when I saw him heading toward where they were entering the water, but it's rare that I'm able to see them.

Domestic critter here, and just watching wild's too much stress for my happiness.


I_UndergroundPanther

(13,386 posts)
7. I agree with you
Sat Apr 16, 2022, 07:41 PM
Apr 2022

The dynamic of prey and predators is just tragic.
Secondly cats living in clowders seek out people to help them.

A prey animal can live in peace never afraid if a hawk will suddenly wisk them off into the sky and rip its body apart while alive to feed it's young.

We gathered in tribes and even built civilization because nature is bloody in tooth and claw and it sucks .


Animals realize this too.

(I am speaking of some animals like some people,have different temperments etc.
Some do fine in captivity some dont.)

What makes you think an animal sees captivity as captivity?
Maybe they see it as sanctuary.

Every being seeks a life of security,peace and love. We humans can provide this. This is why some injured animals, wild animals befreind us. Animals have been known to even help themselves to the vet clinic. They know we can help thier lives be better. At least we humans are good for something.

I think its our job to help animals be free of natures cruelty and senselessness.

Why else would we evolve to love them and care for them this way?.

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