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To those who grew up in the last century, how did we ever survive childhood? (Original Post) japple Sep 2022 OP
Thanks for posting, I enjoyed it as well. secondwind Sep 2022 #1
Woodburning sets, we made lead soldiers melted lead Walleye Sep 2022 #2
How DID we survive?! Deuxcents Sep 2022 #3
Good times! Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #4
Blasting Caps ThoughtCriminal Sep 2022 #5
For starters, we didn't have people eager to spread a lethal disease during a pandemic unblock Sep 2022 #6
Much more dangerous today. There were NO school shootings or massacres in churches/synagogues Hekate Sep 2022 #39
Good question..... paleotn Sep 2022 #7
As a NYC'r we'd go around our apt building, however... electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #59
for sledding, a cheaper version of a sled was a big trashcan lid Skittles Sep 2022 #8
Jarts have been banned for decades, but assault rifles are fine and dandy Blue Owl Sep 2022 #9
In 1800, the childhood (5 and under) mortality rate in the US VMA131Marine Sep 2022 #10
A sidebar to that... malthaussen Sep 2022 #17
Also the terrible working conditions in factories and on farms well into the 20th century sarge43 Sep 2022 #20
a friend of mine tried to compare life expectancy with zip codes. LeftInTX Sep 2022 #42
I think women had a 1 in 10 chance of dying while giving birth. Kaleva Sep 2022 #38
We're heading back there rapidly in this country, if the forced birthers get their way Hekate Sep 2022 #40
Many didn't. RIP to friends and relatives who didn't. uppityperson Sep 2022 #11
I had a blast! usonian Sep 2022 #12
"Sold over 1 million!" LOL. n/t malthaussen Sep 2022 #18
The truth of the Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Laboratory jmowreader Sep 2022 #21
No wonder I never got one :-) usonian Sep 2022 #22
Hypercard! That brings back memories jmowreader Sep 2022 #23
I have never used a database APP, only MySQL and similar server databases (No GUI) usonian Sep 2022 #24
My brothers got our older cousin's 50s chem set Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #37
You remember right: the Erector Set was something my brothers used... Hekate Sep 2022 #41
Welcome to DU! live love laugh Sep 2022 #43
Thanks! Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #52
Good for you that you had the interest and too bad that society was/is limiting. usonian Sep 2022 #44
By the time I took the ASVAB test in my 20s Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #56
Good for you! usonian Sep 2022 #61
Cool! The erector set - I don't think I knew about it. Or not at the right timing... electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #58
I like the kid banging together the original skateboard at the end Jack the Greater Sep 2022 #13
My dear brother (RIP) always claimed to have invented the skateboard. japple Sep 2022 #26
{a gentle hug} Sounds like he did some fun things. electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #34
OMG! I had one of those fruit box scooters womanofthehills Sep 2022 #27
When I was young, we learned how to use basic tools by building scooters and go-carts, Earth-shine Sep 2022 #14
My goodness. My grandfather, a carpenter from the old country, would straighten bent nails. usonian Sep 2022 #25
Sounds like your Dad and my Dad were from the same generation!!! japple Sep 2022 #29
Dad was born in 1915. usonian Sep 2022 #32
My grandfather Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #57
Me and my young friends had some close calls... Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2022 #15
One thing I miss about the "old" days? Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #53
I'm glad that you survived! Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2022 #64
I can't relate to the not sharing with parents thing Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #65
Interesting. Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2022 #66
Some of us didn't. malthaussen Sep 2022 #16
He doesn't mention going Around the World on a swingset. malthaussen Sep 2022 #19
My mother always said don't go in the bay water womanofthehills Sep 2022 #28
Thanks to everyone for the trip down memory lane. I remember when we used to ride our japple Sep 2022 #30
😮 omg! 😄 electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #35
In the early 70's I got a part time job at a community center in a low income neighborhood womanofthehills Sep 2022 #31
Lots of good memories there. highplainsdem Sep 2022 #33
Moments that got me Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #36
Yes, when I saw that little triangular window I remembered I think our first car at least had one. electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #60
My parents bought me a chemistry set. Dysfunctional Sep 2022 #45
Did you know that you can make a blowtorch with a match and a can of hair spray??? japple Sep 2022 #46
Did you know that if you mix Clorox with marine algae remover Ocelot II Sep 2022 #49
Note: Don't mix potassium nitrate and sugar Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #55
Sad thing, crime rates are generally lower now than they were back then, snot Sep 2022 #47
I was impaled by a lawn jart Texasgal Sep 2022 #48
Here is how..."Monopoly Games"....back then we had "electric trains" and Stuart G Sep 2022 #50
Sheesh. Genki Hikari Sep 2022 #63
Playground equipment was actually challenging and fun alphafemale Sep 2022 #51
I lived in the trees Tree Lady Sep 2022 #54
🤔 Biking w/on a helmet, tree climbing, sledding where you had to... electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #62

Walleye

(31,008 posts)
2. Woodburning sets, we made lead soldiers melted lead
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:39 PM
Sep 2022

I used to love to swing high and jump out. Had a little jigsaw we could’ve cut a finger off. Rode my bike everywhere by myself. Used to take out a 12 foot skiff when I was about 12 years old with a 7 hp engine. I should’ve been dead a long time ago

Deuxcents

(16,190 posts)
3. How DID we survive?!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:41 PM
Sep 2022

I remember just about everything except walking to school in the snow n other snow activities. Here in Florida, I don’t know how I made it before air conditioning! Enjoyed this video down memory lane.

Wounded Bear

(58,646 posts)
4. Good times!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:43 PM
Sep 2022

Although I grew up in the country, so no playing in the "street" for us. The local road was a through route from South King County to Seattle and always had significant traffic runnig a 45-50 mph or so.

We played in the pastures, dodging cow patties. Also had some good forested hillsides to play around in with no significant wild animals to worry about. Too much civilization around.

Snow days happened when the snow was too high for the buses to navigate the locals hills, which had some pretty steep access roads.

Yeah, good times!

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
5. Blasting Caps
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:57 PM
Sep 2022

We actually had commercials on TV warning kids not to play with blasting caps - because we routinely played at construction sites where workers left these things laying around,

We were baby boomers, if a few of us blew up, there were plenty of siblings to pass on the family DNA.


unblock

(52,196 posts)
6. For starters, we didn't have people eager to spread a lethal disease during a pandemic
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:58 PM
Sep 2022

Plus road rage and mass shootings were rather less common.

We've gotten safer in many ways, but more dangerous in others.

Hekate

(90,644 posts)
39. Much more dangerous today. There were NO school shootings or massacres in churches/synagogues
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 05:46 AM
Sep 2022

Our parents eagerly and gratefully lined us up for polio vaccinations, because every school had its quota of kids crippled for life by it. Our parents remembered diseases like diphtheria the strangler, tetanus/lockjaw, and whooping cough — and were well aware of what killers they were — so we’d already had our DPT shots.

Seat belts and effective infant car seats had not yet been invented or mandated, so car accidents could still send us thru the windshield. But it never occurred to any of us that we could be shot just going about our daily lives.

We had duck and cover drills, but that was for something far far away — never did I imagine my grandkids would be traumatized by actual shooter drills at school for something that could happen at any time.

Somehow, we’ve developed a streak of insanity in America.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
7. Good question.....
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:04 PM
Sep 2022

Halloween coming up reminds me that we'd cover what felt like square miles, hitting all the "good" houses first. The ones we knew had the prime candy selection from past experience or some pre-season "recon." It was a relatively tight community. Mom would send me off with not much more than "Be careful and watch before you cross the street." I rode my bike to to Junior High, and hitched a ride to high school with a friend lucky enough to have inherited an old beater. What a strange world by today's standards.

In the Summer, other than meal time, we roamed the neighborhood all day long until Mom finally had to yell for me to come in as the sun was setting. Followed by the inevitable..."It's not dark yet! I can still see!" If dad pipped in, I got my skinny butt home. He didn't fool around.

electric_blue68

(14,882 posts)
59. As a NYC'r we'd go around our apt building, however...
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:37 AM
Sep 2022

we always got more stuff 😄 when we went to one set of cousins in Northern NJ going from house to house!

VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
10. In 1800, the childhood (5 and under) mortality rate in the US
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 09:23 PM
Sep 2022

was 462 per 1000 births; nearly half of all babies didn’t make it to 5 years old. By 1900, that number was 238 per 1000 or about half of what it was a century earlier. In 1950, the rate had declined further to 40.1 per 1000, a sixfold reduction most likely attributable to widespread vaccination, antibiotics, and other advances in medicine. The rate has continued to decrease:
1970 - 26 per 1000
1980 - 17 per 1000
1990 - 12 per 1000
2000 - 9 per 1000
2010 - 8 per 1000
Current - 7 per 1000

The upshot is that a lot more children did not grow up 30 and 40 years ago than they do now. Progress has really been remarkable.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
17. A sidebar to that...
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 02:55 PM
Sep 2022

... is that "Life expectancy at birth" figures are, historically, almost always deceptive, because for most of human history, that 50% before 5 mortality rate holds. If half the people born are gonna die before they are five, it has a significant effect on the "life expectancy at birth" rate. When you start doing a little digging into the demographics, you find that it's not the case that everybody suddenly started dropping dead at forty or whatever the figure is, it's that half of them didn't even have a chance to reach forty in the first place that distorts the curve. People lived to 60, 70, 80, 100 pretty damned frequently -- if they got past five.

-- Mal

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
20. Also the terrible working conditions in factories and on farms well into the 20th century
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 03:17 PM
Sep 2022

depressed the life expectancy rate.

LeftInTX

(25,255 posts)
42. a friend of mine tried to compare life expectancy with zip codes.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 06:12 AM
Sep 2022

The life expectancy in my zip code was 104...

I tried to tell her, "It isn't money. No one has died because all the houses are new"

That was 4 years ago, so I think it has gone down.

usonian

(9,776 posts)
12. I had a blast!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:06 PM
Sep 2022


Played with electricity, took apart Tube TV sets, sprayed ether into the carburetor to start the car in the cold, chucked cherry bombs.

Learned to drive in a 57 Fairlane with a 312 V8.


One of my first jobs was at this new hamburger place.



Got a physics degree and worked in aerospace, computers and university, an investment company.

It was great to build computers before there were computers on the shelves, thousands of solder joints with the OG solder, lead and tin.

Still have my wits about me, my hair -- salt and pepper yet --

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
21. The truth of the Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Laboratory
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 04:30 PM
Sep 2022

This only stayed on the market about a year because it was REALLY expensive - $50 in 1950, which was equivalent to almost $600 today. Most of the people who bought them were college physics professors who understood what a deal they were getting...you could buy five of them for the cost of one decent Geiger counter and have everything you needed to teach a 100-level nuclear physics course.

usonian

(9,776 posts)
22. No wonder I never got one :-)
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 04:54 PM
Sep 2022

I wanted a GENIAC, but it looks like the price was $16. More than I could afford as a kid, and besides, the radio stuff was more interesting at the time. Never did get any ham gear, nor license.

Just the Lafayette KT-135 Explor-Air, which I posted elsewhere, and much later on, "real" computer stuff, like the Altair and Imsai. Of course, I had a paying job by then and could afford them. And by building them and using them, they helped me create a decent career. Still have the Imsai, and lots of boards, but they just take up space.

I may even retire the Mac Cube now that I found a MacOS9 emulator, so I can run hypercard. Hypercard was the revolution that never happened, except among aficionados. That's because we used it in-house on aerospace projects we couldn't brag about. (even if they were just proprietary, if not classified) Anyway, Steve Jobs killed it. It was the precursor to the internet, having hyperlinks. So some things go.

I did computer support for a well-known physics department. Didn't interact all that much with the instructional staff, the experimenters (mostly post-grads) nor the EE staff. We all competed for the same funding, and they won. Computer support was farmed out to the Dean's office computer staff.

Was fun! Moved on to better-paying gigs.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
23. Hypercard! That brings back memories
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 06:11 PM
Sep 2022

I wrote a lot of HyperCard stacks.

What do you know about databases? I'm thinking about doing some DBMS work...it's got to be on Mac so I'm thinking 4D.

usonian

(9,776 posts)
24. I have never used a database APP, only MySQL and similar server databases (No GUI)
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 07:10 PM
Sep 2022

If you are an end user, the only database I can recommend is LibreOffice/OpenOffice BASE, which comes as part of the LibreOffice/OpenOffice bundle. They are the same, just forks of open source code. And the price is totally right: Free.

BASE will use an internal Firebird/HSQL database, or connect to a number of client-server databases (MySQL, Postgres, Oracle and others).

If you want to learn more (as in making real money) then hooking up to a MySQL instance or Oracle with BASE or the command line is probably the way to go. If I could hook up php scripts and so on to MySQL, and also use the "mysql" command, then anyone can do it.

Oracle has a free version.
https://www.oracle.com/database/technologies/appdev/xe.html
Just don't put it into production. Salespeople will call you :-O
Disclaimer: I worked at Sun, which was later bought by Oracle.
And Oracle survived. My goodness.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
37. My brothers got our older cousin's 50s chem set
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 03:57 AM
Sep 2022

It had cobalt in it.

It wasn't supposed to be for me, the girl, but I was the one who got the most use out of it, anyway. It's a wonder I didn't blow up the entire South with some of the stuff I got up to with that.

I was also the one who put the erector set to good use. I think it was called an erector set. The thing with all the metal bars with holes in them that you could hook up with other bars, wheels, and so on. I used to spend hours building scales, pulleys, firetrucks with the longest ladders I could manage, "skyscraper" skeletons, a replica of lunar modules I saw the astronauts using--you name it, I was trying to build it.

And yet I never became an engineer or scientist. Because nobody ever considered giving a girl the idea to become one. That just wasn't done.

Hekate

(90,644 posts)
41. You remember right: the Erector Set was something my brothers used...
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 06:12 AM
Sep 2022

What’s funny about gendered toys is that while it’s a good idea to introduce both boys and girls to them and show them how they work, for some kids the interest does fall on gender lines. My son loved stuffed toys when he was little, but he also loved taking things apart and putting them back together. My daughter could have cared less about the toys with tools.

I don’t recall if my younger sis got into Erector Sets — but when she was 16 she took apart a car engine and put it back together. Mom wrote to me about it. Probably by herself, since Dad was not into sharing his skills with us girls, and that’s the truth. With Mom’s urging (Mom had just read The Feminine Mystique), Sis ended up at UC Berkeley as an engineering major, one of very few girls in those years. She wasn’t aware of it for quite some time, but she hit a fortunate moment in history called Affirmative Action. She had the grades, she had the desire and skills — but just 10 years earlier she would not have been admitted.

I am sorry you were not able to follow your deepest interests. It’s a loss to society as well as yourself.

usonian

(9,776 posts)
44. Good for you that you had the interest and too bad that society was/is limiting.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 12:02 PM
Sep 2022

"Sky's the limit" ... I should post sometime the great accomplishments of women in astronomy and space science. (and lots more!) They are awesome and just coming into recognition. I always encouraged my daughter to pursue whatever dreams she had and gave her the opportunity ... whether that was the electronic and computer gear (I was early to that game), growing roses, photography, or piano or whatever.

When she moved out of the home, I gave her drill driver and some odd tools. She reluctantly accepted them, but soon sent back photos of handy work she had done. GREAT!

You can find Erector sets under the name of Meccano, in thrift stores, and TBH, the odd parts are great for repairing this and that. I think that some parts are holding together a couple of piano hammers that broke.

Hung onto the original screwdriver.


Best of luck. Welcome to DU and may all your *current* dreams come true.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
56. By the time I took the ASVAB test in my 20s
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:11 AM
Sep 2022

I was convinced that I was stupid about anything electrical or mechanical.

I was completely shocked when my highest scores were in electrical and mechanical. I GUESSED at the answers, but still scored highly.

That totally threw me. I was supposed to be stupid about mechanical stuff. I was a dreaded GIRL!

A few weeks later, when my mom's washing machine started acting up, I thought--How good are you at that stuff, really? So I popped off the top part and took a look. Saw that some of the connectors were corroded. I went down to the local fixit shop, got wire strippers, heat shrink, soldering stuff and new connectors. Redid the wires, put on the heat shrink, reconnected--

Fixed! My mom paid me $50 + the cost of parts that she didn't have to pay a repair dude. And it was done in an afternoon, rather than having to wait and wait for a repair guy to maybe show up.

I did become an electronics tech in the USAF, btw. Wasn't so fond of the military, but loved what I did.

usonian

(9,776 posts)
61. Good for you!
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:54 AM
Sep 2022

I enlisted in the USCG after college.

Loving your work, or at least being proud of it, is important. Glad for you that you got to do so.

electric_blue68

(14,882 posts)
58. Cool! The erector set - I don't think I knew about it. Or not at the right timing...
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:33 AM
Sep 2022

I didn't do the chemistry stuff bc I didn't really understand it..

I did however love the hell out of my Tinker Toys 😄 and Legos! 👍 Built a lot of stuff! Also had wooden train track sets.

A shame you like many women who preferred then all, or male dominated fields of work were refused, or discouraged back then (and still so in certain places, or families).




Jack the Greater

(601 posts)
13. I like the kid banging together the original skateboard at the end
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:23 PM
Sep 2022

In the early 50s we would make a scooter out a 2x4, a skate pulled apart, a wooden fruit box and a couple of slates for handles. Bent nails could be found just about everywhere and it didn't take much to make them straight again. When the wooden fruit box came off, you had a skateboard.



japple

(9,821 posts)
26. My dear brother (RIP) always claimed to have invented the skateboard.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 09:45 PM
Sep 2022

And he did, in his own fashion, in our neighborhood gang. Just like the ones in the pictures above. He died a couple months ago of esophageal cancer and we are still mourning his loss. Dad was a master at creation and innovation and my brother was his equal. Bro was a great craftsman, a skilled innovater.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
27. OMG! I had one of those fruit box scooters
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:52 PM
Sep 2022

I grew up in Newark, NJ on a dead end street. A neighbor made one for each kid in the neighborhood- painted and with our names. Every evening, about 20 of us would scoot down the street.

Earth-shine

(3,994 posts)
14. When I was young, we learned how to use basic tools by building scooters and go-carts,
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 04:45 AM
Sep 2022

such as in the previous post.

A few years ago, I tried to teach my nephews how to use a hammer, screwdriver, pliers, etc. How to build things ... How to fix things ... There was very little interest.

usonian

(9,776 posts)
25. My goodness. My grandfather, a carpenter from the old country, would straighten bent nails.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 07:44 PM
Sep 2022

Too precious to waste.

I admire the kid above, but those nails are WAY too close to an auto for me.

I took apart some old stairs in front of my home (new ones are great!) and dragged a monster magnet across the area many times.

Funny about those kids. The knack may skip a generation. My Dad was an artist, and I think he owned one hammer and a set of pliers and a screwdriver. I made up for that.

One time, some gas station jockey tightened the lug nuts on the wheel so tight I couldn't get them off, and I was fairly strong. So, I bought an electric impact wrench from Sears and it has been all downhill (or uphill depending on your point of view) from there. Gadget still works great. I have used it to drive some big old lag bolts. (with pilot holes drilled in advance)

usonian

(9,776 posts)
32. Dad was born in 1915.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:54 PM
Sep 2022

Funny. I think that my Dad was the most musical among all the uncles and aunts. Played the saxophone. Loved big bands.

I went classical but also enjoy tunes from musicals of my time and earlier. ( and all the oldies from the 50's and 60's of course!)

Music was one of the finest gifts my parents gave me. Forever grateful!

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
57. My grandfather
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:27 AM
Sep 2022

Was the same about straightening out crooked nails. He was a master carpenter, and never--ever--wasted a nail if he didn't have to.

People didn't waste stuff, even before the Depression. My eldest uncles (born in the 20s) had all kinds of stories about the nails saved, or how my grandmother turned clothes that couldn't be mended into respectability anymore into cleaning rags. Even into the 1980s, my grandmother had a drawer full of cleaned and folded up aluminum foil.

Wasting stuff was completely foreign to them.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
15. Me and my young friends had some close calls...
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 05:49 AM
Sep 2022

... with death, but it fortunately never happened.

Saw a friend fall from a tall tree, seeming to land on his head, but he only suffered a very painful broken clavicle. Then the poor kid suffered more pain as he was placed in a wagon attached to a bicycle, from the bumps on the ground and street as they were traversed, to transport him back home.

Witnessed another young friend get pushed into a very flooded creek by a bully, as the water was very rapidly flowing. His head was finally seen above the water about the distance of a football field away, and then he managed to pull himself out near the creek edge. Then we raised hell with the bully, who simply walked away. But that was the end of it, despite how our younger friend probably came close to drowning.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
53. One thing I miss about the "old" days?
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 01:33 AM
Sep 2022

Your friend pushed into the creek? I know how that felt.

Our school was nice enough to make a deal with a local swimming pool so we students could take lessons. They even provided buses to transport us there.

The first summer I was able to take the classes, a bully who was two grades ahead of me pushed me into the deep end of the pool. I barely knew how to float without killing myself, and to deal with that? I do remember the terror that I was about to die.

Someone came and got me, I guess. I don't remember. The next thing I remember is being on the bus with the towel wrapped around me, and they had given me some candy to calm me down. They were candy cigarettes, one of my favorites for the soft mint flavor of them. How's that for a blast from the past? Also: nobody now would give a kid candy to calm them down, but that was standard when I was young.

I also don't remember beating the dickens out of the bully. Or the bus driver pretending he didn't see what was going on before he drove us home. My grandmother later told me that guy waited for me to finish before turning over the engine!

These days, everyone would have the vapors about a fight of any kind on school property. Back then? If a teacher or whoever thought a bully was getting what was coming to him, they'd look the other way until the dust settled.

I remember the driver letting me off at my house, rather than at the school not far away (country--we didn't have "blocks&quot . My grandfather was never home during the day, but there he was, waiting for me. Probably to make sure I was really okay, and to be prepared for tears or who knows what.

He looked me over and only asked, "How was the swimming?"

"I got in a fight with ----- for pushing me in the deep end."

"Did you win it?"

"Yep."

"Good. Go on inside and get dressed. The stallion threw a shoe, so it would help if you'd hold the reins while I put new ones on."

He no more needed my help with shoeing his horse than I could fly, but he was giving me some normal to get back to, to take my mind off what happened. He was good at things like that.

My grandmother also gave me the once over and nearly the same conversation. But they already knew what had happened. Everyone in a ten mile radius knew I'd beaten up my bully, before we left the swim park.

I can tell you one thing, though: That bully never even looked at me funny again after that day. She knew what I could do to her if she riled me up. Yeah, violence is not the best way to handle things, but I think adults back then knew that some people had to learn the hard way about FA&FO. So they'd get out of the way when the learning day came.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
64. I'm glad that you survived!
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 08:03 AM
Sep 2022

And that you taught the bully a lesson!

I don't miss the fighting back then, but adults definitely allowed it to happen more frequently in the past.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it also seemed like kids rarely shared much of anything with their parents when I was growing up. We understood the intentions of the other children, but parents might mistakenly call the parents of another child who caused an accidental injury. Such as when we played a stupid game like "war" by throwing dirt clods at each other. At a long distance, not within just a few feet. Then the dirt clods would resemble the smoke from explosives as they (mostly) hit the ground. A kid would rarely get hit sometimes, though, and most of us knew better than to tell a parent that so-and-so hit us with a dirt clod. Everyone involved had willingly participated in the stupidity, after all.

In your case, it was obvious bullying. The later consequences for it might've helped put the bully on a better path in life, hopefully.

Me and my friends just yelled at the bully over the pushing incident into the creek. He seemed genuinely worried about what he'd done after the shove, or we probably would've done more than yell.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
65. I can't relate to the not sharing with parents thing
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 03:49 PM
Sep 2022

Where I lived was in the boonies, but it wasn't bereft of people. It wasn't, and the people that were there had become this super-tight knit community.

Some of it was because many of us were related. I had multiple relatives (aunts, uncles, great aunts and uncles, cousins, "removed" cousins) living within 10 minutes of our dirt farm. We also lived near our country school. That meant teachers and staff were a good portion of the remaining people living nearby.

Eyes were just about everywhere, so if we did anything stupid, parents or the equivalent got a phone call from this relative or that teacher about what we were up to within five minutes. And then everyone else in the community knew, too. Nobody said a word when any of us got a whooping for it, either.

You were lucky to have places where you could get away with things as a young kid. I got to know some of what you describe when I hit junior high and moved to a rich people exurb. I still had a learning curve about lying to parents that my peers found amusing. They didn't get that I'd never had to learn how to keep things from the people raising me, because it wouldn't have done any good to try!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
66. Interesting.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 07:28 PM
Sep 2022

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I would've thought rural children could have all kinds of outdoor adventures without parents knowing any of the details.

My parents both grew up on farms, about 12 miles apart, during the Great Depression.

Mom's family was poor, and she frequently went to bed hungry. She described secretly watching people at other farms eating dinner, through their windows at night, with nobody ever noticing her.

Dad had a few run-ins with a bully at his one-room schoolhouse, an older boy who was cruel to him and the other younger children, but he never told his parents about that either. (The bully later died as a "hero" because he was one of the marines who was photographed raising the flag at Iwo Jima, in the iconic photo, but that didn't change my father's opinion of him.)

Picture of me in my childhood suburb, about age 8 or 9, after I caught some catfish (which we later ate). Not too far from all of those homes were woods, rivers, etc.


EDIT: Because of her own childhood, food was my mother's obsession when I knew her. Our dinner table was covered in a variety of food every night (much of it reheated leftovers), with everything prepared from scratch. It was like Thanksgiving every night in our household, except without traditional Thanksgiving fare like turkey and cranberries. It's often called "comfort food" now, with the kind of stuff often served at restaurants like Cracker Barrel.
Tony Hall was in our neighborhood when he first ran for US Congress, appealing for votes door-to-door, and Mom begged him to come inside. Which he did, and then she insisted that he eat with us. As soon as he saw all of the food on our table, his eyes bulged and he asked if he was interrupting a special event for my family. Mom told him no, so he was more than welcome to sit down and eat! He acted tempted as he quietly continued staring at the food, but then he said he couldn't afford to stop because it would be a close election.
I later learned about Tony Hall's hunger strikes, and the memory of him gawking at all of our food made me a little embarrassed. But my family was mostly just "food rich" thanks to Mom, and not very wealthy in other regards. And it was that way because my mother suffered through hunger for years as a little girl!
My mother also admitted that she hated my father when they were young children, after seeing him walk down a dirt road carrying a bag of groceries. Sticking above the bag was celery, and my mother thought, "Celery! His family is so wealthy that they can afford to buy celery?! Celery can't even keep a person alive, but they bought it anyway!" (Her notions about my father, and celery, obviously changed years later.)

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
16. Some of us didn't.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 02:46 PM
Sep 2022

Say an activity is fatal to, oh, 10% of those who practice it, that means that 90% will survive. While our generation engaged in activities that were significantly more dangerous than they are now (where they are not prohibited), the vast majority of us were gonna survive them anyway. So it's just a question of how much risk is acceptable. If we can reduce that 10% risk to 1%, then that's nine more kids out of a hundred that are gonna survive. Is that worth it?

Yeah, us old farts would like to think we were tougher and braver than the generations who came before (and there are a number of arguments one could devise to support that, but mere survival isn't one of them). But ya know, the generations before ours were tougher and braver than we were, if one looks at the crap they pulled. So that kind of dilutes the bragging rights.

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
19. He doesn't mention going Around the World on a swingset.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 03:09 PM
Sep 2022

They have governors now so you can't pull that off. Much easier to do if the swing *was* anchored (usually in concrete, which would be a big help if you fell off trying to go Around the World).

-- Mal

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
28. My mother always said don't go in the bay water
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:58 PM
Sep 2022

About 15 minutes away by bike. So at 12 yrs old we rented a rowboat and drifted away. Luckily a boat saw us and pulled us back to shore. My mom always also said don’t play in the woods or on the RR tracks so that’s where we played. There was a brown bag sitting on one of the rails and we thought it might be kittens so we ran to save them but the bag was filled with feces. Those were the days with zero supervision.

japple

(9,821 posts)
30. Thanks to everyone for the trip down memory lane. I remember when we used to ride our
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:03 PM
Sep 2022

bikes after the DDT truck that went thru the neighborhood spraying for mosquitoes.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
31. In the early 70's I got a part time job at a community center in a low income neighborhood
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:08 PM
Sep 2022

I had a Ford pickup and they had me pile 20 kids in the back of my pickup to take them swimming - every week. Kids in pickup beds- just fine back then.

highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
33. Lots of good memories there.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 12:08 AM
Sep 2022

I also have lots of good memories of living in the country for a few years, and of visiting my grandfather's farm a lot. Spending most of my free time away from the house, with or without siblings and cousins around. Almost never any adult around, whether we were riding horses or climbing across a crumbling limestone cliff above jagged rocks at the edge of a creek. The other creek on my grandfather's farm had some quicksand. We were just warned to watch out for it. Ditto the warnings about copperheads and rattlesnakes. The adults called the snakes we'd see in the creek we'd swim in "water moccasins" but we were assured they weren't the poisonous type. I'd get out of the water as fast as I could anyway if I saw one swimming toward me.

I got trampled by horses I fell off a couple of times (once with a hoof coming down on my hand, which fortunately was flat on muddy ground so I just lost some skin and had the biggest blood blister I'd ever seen, and still have a slight scar). But that was out of at least hundreds of hours of riding with no adults around, usually without a saddle and often without a bridle, just a halter.

I fell out of a couple of trees, but didn't break any bones.

I did sprain ankles or knees at times.

And I ran the motorized go-kart our dad built for us into a tree once.

I remember walking across the top of barbed wire fences on crusted snow after one snowstorm. And digging deep tunnels that probably could have caved in, through the same drifts.

I probably wouldn't let my youngest relatives climb all over that cliff. I did slip a few feet once but managed to grab onto a tree root that kept me from falling any farther.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
36. Moments that got me
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 03:36 AM
Sep 2022

1) Can't relate to the snow stuff because where I was didn't get much of it. I do remember that I hated cold days because I had to wear dresses to school. We were lucky because our school would let us wear thick colored stockings. They were sort of knit? Even those weren't really enough to keep our legs warm on the coldest days. Under a pair of pants, on the other hand...

2) The open sash window reminded me of a friend who cracked hers because it was spring in the South and no ac at her house while she slept. She woke up in the morning with a rattlesnake stretched out all along the length of her body.

3) The huge slides--They were fun...in the cool months. Girls didn't use them when it was hot out. Again, we had to wear dresses, and the metal of the slides would burn our bare legs when the temp got too high. The one fun thing about being a girl in the winter was that we would f-l-y down the slides way faster than the boys when we wore the new waist-high knit stockings and got positioned just so!

4) The kids standing on the swings. Used to do that one myself.

5) The kids at the park who are barefoot. I don't remember wearing shoes in the summer except when we went to town or other "shoe" occasions.

6) Did all the car stuff--riding in the back of station wagons and convertibles, no seat belts, no nothing. It's a wonder any of us are alive.

7) Sleeping in the backseat of a car--I stopped doing that after I met a guy when I volunteered at a nursing home who was in an accident while stretched out asleep in the back seat. He was paralyzed from his shoulders down from that. Never could sleep in a car after seeing him wheeling around.

8) Kinda miss the little 1/5 window that would open. It was nice for things like letting in just a bit of air on one of those sunny cold days. You know the ones where the sun makes the inside of your car burning hot, but cracking the whole window makes you freeze to death? That little window could open just enough to let in some air without freezing or heating you too much.

9) I definitely don't miss the smoking everywhere. Every single place reeked from it. Even bathrooms and schools.

10) LOL Those spiky bike pedals from hell. I had those and rode them barefoot.

11) Johnson's baby oil--because it wasn't enough to be in the sun with zero UV protection; you needed to fry your skin, too!

12) I can still taste that rubber hose and warm tap water when drinking from a hose in the summer.

13) Ah, the trampoline, unsupervised. Some friends of ours had two of them side by side. We'd jump on that for hours in the day, and have coed slumber parties on them at night. Parents? Nowhere to be found, for either.

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
45. My parents bought me a chemistry set.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 02:18 PM
Sep 2022

Do you know, I didn't, that if you sprinkle sulfur on a lit match you can set the kitchen curtains on fire?

japple

(9,821 posts)
46. Did you know that you can make a blowtorch with a match and a can of hair spray???
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 05:00 PM
Sep 2022

We used to do that alot. And Mom wondered why her hair spray ran out so quickly.

Ocelot II

(115,674 posts)
49. Did you know that if you mix Clorox with marine algae remover
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 07:53 PM
Sep 2022

you get chlorine gas and you have to run the whole mess outside really fast before you kill yourselves?

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
55. Note: Don't mix potassium nitrate and sugar
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 01:56 AM
Sep 2022

With your erector set "skyscraper."

I was only trying to do a mini-fire for my erector set fire truck to put out, but then...

snot

(10,520 posts)
47. Sad thing, crime rates are generally lower now than they were back then,
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 07:11 PM
Sep 2022

so as the OP suggests, a lot of our paranoia has more to do with our immersion in media hype about crime than with reality.

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
48. I was impaled by a lawn jart
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 07:44 PM
Sep 2022

on my foot. Had to have it stiches. My brothers and I were right back playing with them when I healed! LOL!

Stuart G

(38,416 posts)
50. Here is how..."Monopoly Games"....back then we had "electric trains" and
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 08:24 PM
Sep 2022

we played .."ball against the wall" (kind of baseball thingy)...We watched Hoody Doty, Cisco Kid, Roy Rogers, and Gene
Autry. We had "black & white TVs...oh, and we listened to radio programs. What else? We went to the kid's show at
the movie theaters, 25 cartoons for 25 cents. I went to the lake front to go swimming (I lived in Chicago) Occasionally,
we went to the local library. We met with our friends and played poker or other kinds of card games. We ran up &
down the stars, we rode our 20 inch small bikes, we played in the park, sometimes we went to the local Y or Youth
Center, we joined clubs, we went to Mc Donalds or 5 and 10 cents stores, and so on and on.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
63. Sheesh.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 03:52 AM
Sep 2022

Lucky you. I'm around a decade behind you, and my first 9 years, I grew up in the boonies. Museums, McDonald's, libraries? We didn't have those things. Where we lived was also a dying community, because a major industry abandoned the area. So not many kids to play with, either.

We had the great outdoors, but I'm not the outdoor type. I can appreciate it, but I'd rather do it at a remove. My grandfather tried his damnedest to make me outdoorsy, because I was an ideal fishing and hunting companion (didn't run my mouth constantly). It never took. Well, I didn't mind the fishing. But that's because I liked how peaceful the world was on the lake. Not much is as beautiful as dawn breaking over a lake surrounded by massive pine trees, either. And that smell of the water and trees, and all the boat stuff, and the fish we'd caught, the tackle box, my grandfather's beer, his Aqua Velva aftershave, the bottle of Suncrest soda getting warm in my hands--I couldn't erase that combination of smells from my memory banks if I tried.

I have a lot of beautiful memories of that time, and some crazy-funny ones, too. But I like my current big city life even more, and find this the happiest time of my life. Even if the world seems more complicated and uncertain than it was to me then.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
51. Playground equipment was actually challenging and fun
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 11:50 PM
Sep 2022

Not something that will bore a 3 year old in 5 minutes.

Tree Lady

(11,451 posts)
54. I lived in the trees
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 01:43 AM
Sep 2022

Climbed them daily and roller skated all over and got pulled behind bikes and rode bikes no hands.
Real big on climbing and swinging on thick metal bars too.

I had to get stitches once from playing a hopscotch kind of game with jumping into squares, I jumped really far and feet went out and landed on cement.

electric_blue68

(14,882 posts)
62. 🤔 Biking w/on a helmet, tree climbing, sledding where you had to...
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 02:58 AM
Sep 2022

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(in cousin's suburban town) school grounds big hill where you had to stop on the level part before the smaller hill that led too close to the street & traffic.
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Money bars w/o padding underneath.

Good times! 😄


I am also glad certain safety equipment, and protocols have been put in effect

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