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DFW

(60,189 posts)
Tue Oct 4, 2022, 04:24 PM Oct 2022

If anyone has heard horror stories about European airports lately, here is the real situation

Last edited Wed Oct 5, 2022, 01:55 AM - Edit history (1)

Whatever you may have heard, it's worse.

I had to fly down to Barcelona in Spain yesterday. About a 110 minute flight. My flight was at 6:30, so I got to the airport at 5:00 AM. The lines to check in were already over 1 KM long, and maybe 10% of the counters were manned. I looked for the section that was checking for my flight to Barcelona. There way ONE counter open. The line stretched all the way across two terminals, and I figured there was no way I would make the flight. Luckily, I spied one guy behind a counter next to an unmanned window for Lufthansa VIP flyers (I'm not). I went up to him, and asked the guy if the VIP counter next to him was going to open, and he said he had no idea, but I should show him my ticket/pre-printed boarding pass. He looked it over, and said, ah, what the hell, I can check you in with this if you have your ID handy. I did. I checked in my bag, went over to security, which was very light, since everyone else was still in line to check in. The hundreds of people in line looked at me, wondering what magic I had worked to get checked in like that. If they had asked, I would have told them--I just went up to the guy and asked him a question.

Today, to fly back from Barcelona to Düsseldorf, no such luck. The German airline, a Lufthansa subsidiary, had three different flights going at once to Germany, and all were full. They had three counters open for almost 500 passengers. No quickies this time. I got to the airport at noon for my 2:10 PM flight. Although I had my printed boarding pass, I still had to check in my suitcase. I waited over an hour in line, but finally got my bag checked. This time, at security, there were a large number of women with Hijabs that they wouldn't remove, so security needed extra time for ALL of them. Much as I wanted to buy some water and a sandwich for the flight, there was no time. They had snacks for sale on the plane, but they were horrible. I sprang for a cup of sort-of-hot tea. To add insult to injury, the baggage belt at the Düsseldorf airport was late getting the luggage out. My wife, who had driven to the drop-off/pick-up curb at the airport was over the time limit waiting for me to get out, and we had to pay a $25 overcharge.

Since the train trip to Barcelona from here is about 20 hours, there isn't much of an alternative if you're going down to Spain for work, and have to be back the next day, but travel over here isn't much fun right now. Anyone on their way be forewarned!!

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If anyone has heard horror stories about European airports lately, here is the real situation (Original Post) DFW Oct 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author snowybirdie Oct 2022 #1
Why the snark? Why treat a nice DU regular like this? we can do it Oct 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author snowybirdie Oct 2022 #3
DFW's problems aren't "high class." He lives in Germany and has to fly around Europe Ocelot II Oct 2022 #4
Agree with Ocelot II and others Better Days Ahoy Oct 2022 #9
That's why you were rude, still no excuse. marble falls Oct 2022 #5
I just had surgery today, in pain but still don't need to be mean. we can do it Oct 2022 #7
We have one of our best friends in the ICU. It's no picnic DFW Oct 2022 #17
Thank you, much better today. we can do it Oct 2022 #31
Let's not generalize to all airports - no problem in Lisbon, Brussels or Copenhagen. flor-de-jasmim Oct 2022 #6
Lisbon was GREAT in July Better Days Ahoy Oct 2022 #10
Germany does seem to be the worst right now. DFW Oct 2022 #18
I can't dispute that DFW Oct 2022 #19
I still think I'd go by train wryter2000 Oct 2022 #8
If you have the luxury of time, I'd probably agree with you DFW Oct 2022 #16
Every day a different country? wryter2000 Oct 2022 #23
Europe is very small by North American standards. DFW Oct 2022 #24
It's not the airports per se. It's the airlines. More generally, it's corporations. Yavin4 Oct 2022 #11
In this one case, especially Germany, it's the airport. DFW Oct 2022 #20
I am planning my first trip there in late March. Four days there and then to Paris by train in time CTyankee Oct 2022 #12
Barcelona remains one of my favorite cities in all the world. Almost a second home. DFW Oct 2022 #14
I did sense that I would feel that more of what little I sample in my 4 days would not do the city CTyankee Oct 2022 #26
Picasso museum, Miro museum, Sagrada Familia, though don't wait in line forever DFW Oct 2022 #27
I have them all on my list. I'm glad you are here to give special notices to me! CTyankee Oct 2022 #28
Gaudi's works are sprinkled throughout the city DFW Oct 2022 #29
I shall try them. Thank you for the tip! CTyankee Oct 2022 #30
sister was through CDG on Thursday Kali Oct 2022 #13
I'm jealous! n/t DFW Oct 2022 #15
Just in case anyone thinks that was the end of it--bad karma isn't through with me for the week. DFW Oct 2022 #21
I doubt anyone here would want your work or travel schedule, DFW. Hope the highplainsdem Oct 2022 #22
If I make back up to Brussels this evening in time for a good night's sleep............. DFW Oct 2022 #25
You have patience because you are a seasoned traveler... Phentex Oct 2022 #32
If you are in need of info, and I can help out, just say the word DFW Oct 2022 #33

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Ocelot II

(130,538 posts)
4. DFW's problems aren't "high class." He lives in Germany and has to fly around Europe
Tue Oct 4, 2022, 04:50 PM
Oct 2022

for his job. He's just reporting what's going on there, lest we assume that every place but the US is an efficient Utopia. I'm sorry FL is all messed up right now, but things are messed up in a lot of places.

Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
9. Agree with Ocelot II and others
Tue Oct 4, 2022, 06:11 PM
Oct 2022

DFW clearly is flying for business. Like the Newark-Pittsburgh run I used to do. Nothing glamorous or jet-setting about that, either.

Grow the F up, snowybirdie, or go find a lesser site, plenty on FB, that tolerates your misplaced and ignorant opinion.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
17. We have one of our best friends in the ICU. It's no picnic
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:49 AM
Oct 2022

I hope things go better for you soon!

we can do it

(13,024 posts)
31. Thank you, much better today.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 09:15 AM
Oct 2022

Took longer than expected to get home with stop at pharmacy, so a little slow getting pain meds caught up.

Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
10. Lisbon was GREAT in July
Tue Oct 4, 2022, 06:12 PM
Oct 2022

The problems started as soon as we got to Germany, Lufthansa's hub country.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
18. Germany does seem to be the worst right now.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:52 AM
Oct 2022

The problem at the Barcelona airport was worst at the check-in for this one German airline, a Lufthansa subsidiary. You can't have just three check-in counters open if you are having three full flights going out at the same time. That is pre-programmed chaos.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
19. I can't dispute that
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:53 AM
Oct 2022

I haven't flown out of Lisbon, Brussels or CPH in years, so you probably know better than I how the situation is there.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
16. If you have the luxury of time, I'd probably agree with you
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 02:16 AM
Oct 2022

I am writing this from a German train between Köln and Brussels because the train I was scheduled to travel on from Düsseldorf to Paris this morning was canceled. My wife and I got up at 4:30 this morning so that she could drive me to the train station at the Düsseldorf airport. Instead of one train, I now have to take three, and I will be in Paris an hour and a half late. I still have to be back in Brussels this evening by 9 PM.

My work usually takes me to a different country every day, and there aren't enough hours in a day to take a 20 hour trip, and still get everything else done.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
24. Europe is very small by North American standards.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 11:10 AM
Oct 2022

To get from Düsseldorf, where I live, to my office in Utrecht, it's 2 hours by train, 3 to Brussels, 4 to Paris or Berlin, 5 to München or Basel. By air, I am 90 minutes or less to London, Copenhagen, Warsaw, Vienna, Prague, Zürich, Genève, Milano. Add another half hour for Stockholm, Oslo, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid or Budapest. As long as the planes and trains run close to on time, it's routine for me. I've been doing this for over forty years. I'd go as crazy as a tiger in a cage if I had to spend every day in some office in Dallas from nine to five. I speak the languages of most countries I work with (forget Budapest, Warsaw or Prague, but the rest, I can handle), so I almost never get stressed out by any language problem. Getting off the train this afternoon in Paris, I even took an extra two minutes to help out two Russian-speaking Ukrainian women (I only speak Russian, not Ukrainian) traveling with their daughters. They spoke no French, and had never been to Paris before, so I guided them to a counter that could help them get to Versailles, where they were headed.

If you speak the language of the country you are headed to/working in, it shaves LOTS of time and stress off of the work like you wouldn't believe, so I only get stressed if my schedule gets blown out of whack, since it messes up my whole week.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
11. It's not the airports per se. It's the airlines. More generally, it's corporations.
Tue Oct 4, 2022, 08:07 PM
Oct 2022

Corporations around the world don't want to hire people to service customers because of costs. So, it's more profitable to subject your customers to a bad experience knowing that you have few alternatives.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
20. In this one case, especially Germany, it's the airport.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:04 AM
Oct 2022

The weekend newspapers in Düsseldorf were FULL of warnings about catastrophic conditions at check in. They even recommended checking in baggage the night before if your flight was leaving before 8 AM, and said the airport would accept it. However, seeing how few check-in counters were open, I can't imagine I would have gotten away with less than an hour's wait, and Sunday was the ONE free day I had with my wife in 2 weeks.

The local government is going nuts trying to fix this, as the economy of the whole region suffers when the airport has problems. Düsseldorf is the capital city of NordRhein-Westfalen, which includes the Ruhr Valley, and it is the most populous State in Germany. So a few million jobs here depend on business which is heavily export-oriented. Low rainfall has already disrupted barge traffic up and down the Rhein, and the Autobahns are clogged to the breaking point. It's more like a perfect storm than some devious corporate plot. When I got back from the USA some 5 weeks ago, things were pretty much normal at the airport. But resurging Covid with poor planning wreaks havoc here. It is Fall Vacation in NRW plus the fact that the October 3 national holiday fell right in there at the same time. But the calendar wasn't being kept secret from anyone. The airport management should have known what was coming.

CTyankee

(68,203 posts)
12. I am planning my first trip there in late March. Four days there and then to Paris by train in time
Tue Oct 4, 2022, 08:31 PM
Oct 2022

for the gardens of Giverney to open. My daughter, a landscaper, is eager to go with me.

Has Barcelona lost its reputation as THE place for young Americans to go to party? My grown granddaughters are eager to know!

DFW

(60,189 posts)
14. Barcelona remains one of my favorite cities in all the world. Almost a second home.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 02:09 AM
Oct 2022

I never get tired of the place, and I think you and your granddaughters won't either. It's a bonus speaking both Castilian and Catalan, but times have changed since I lived there, and many of the locals now know other languages, something that wasn't the case when I lived there.

I think you're being very brave spending only four days in Barcelona. On your fourth day, you'll find that four weeks is not enough. I'm rather confident you will be back after your first visit.

I know an American guy who works for a Florida firm, and was based out of Zürich. His wife is Swiss. He visited Barcelona for something or other a few years ago and was hooked. Though neither of them is a citizen of an EU country, they started the cumbersome process of applying for residency in Spain, taking courses in Catalan and Castilian, and moving their lives to Barcelona, convinced that they have found their final destination. I had been telling him for years how wonderful the city was, and he ended up scolding me for not insisting earlier.

CTyankee

(68,203 posts)
26. I did sense that I would feel that more of what little I sample in my 4 days would not do the city
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 01:40 PM
Oct 2022

justice, a "deeper dive." I did such a dive on one city only, and that is Florence. I even shamed my daughter for even thinking that she could "hit the highlights" of that city in one day. So I suspect that Barcelona might change my life just as Florence did. The only other city in Spain that affected me deeply was Bilbao where I eagerly embraced Frank Gehry's Guggenheim Museum. A big Cy Twombly assemblage "Ah! the peonies" was shown. He died shortly after that show.

I think my granddaughters regard Barcelona as a big party city and won't want to trot off to a museum in morning trips. That's okay but I want them to try to get some art experience out of it.



DFW

(60,189 posts)
27. Picasso museum, Miro museum, Sagrada Familia, though don't wait in line forever
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 04:51 PM
Oct 2022

It's not worth waiting in line four hours to go inside. The exterior is pretty spectacular as it is.

Do NOT miss either walking through the Barri Gòtic or walking through the Parc Güell, especially the Parc!!

CTyankee

(68,203 posts)
28. I have them all on my list. I'm glad you are here to give special notices to me!
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:03 PM
Oct 2022

Art Nouveau has a special place in my heart and its manifestations in Barcelona will be especially dear to me.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
29. Gaudi's works are sprinkled throughout the city
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:11 PM
Oct 2022

The Casa Batllò on the Passeig de Gràcia just shoots up into your consciousness right in the middle of the city.

One of the most pleasant things to do IF you are near the cathedral is pause for a snack at the Taverna del Bispe. If the weather is nice—and it often is—despite its touristy location, it has great tapes (“tapas” in Castilian, pronounced the same). Get a table outside and just enjoy the view. If you can handle them, their papes braves (again, non-stressed e pronounced as an a) are the best in town. But I love spicy garlic. Not everyone does.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
21. Just in case anyone thinks that was the end of it--bad karma isn't through with me for the week.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:34 AM
Oct 2022

I was booked on the 6:04 AM train down to Paris this morning, and my wife drove me to the airport train station to catch it in plenty of time. Without even announcing anything, 6:04 came and went. Since no notice of a delay had been posted, I looked online to see what, if anything, was posted. Oops, train canceled. They MIGHT have said something over the loudspeaker. OK, so now what? I grabbed a local train laving the airport for Köln, 40 minutes to the south. From there, I got a ticket over to Brussels on a Germany train, connecting with the 10:13 Thalys down to Paris. 90 minutes late, but OK, so I skip lunch.

Well, the German train stops at the Belgian border, and they announce a train strike in Belgium, so we are all SOL. We are told to go to the ticket counter in Aachen. So, 300 people go down to the ticket counter and wait. And Wait. 45 minutes later, some garbled announcement is made, and all the remaining passengers grab everything and run back to the track where our train was parked. The Belgians are letting it in after all! So I ran back, too, and sure enough, it left for Belgium. BUT---it was already late for my connection to Paris. But sometimes they hold trains in such cases. So, we got to Brussels, but sorry, the train for paris had left. When is the next one? In an hour, but it is sold out. Great. the next one with a free seat doesn't leave until 12:43. Do I even bother? But there is one trick left. The 11:13 came in, and I asked one of the train managers if I could hop on. I'd even stand the whole way if I had to. These trains have a few unlisted jump seats at either end pof the cars for emergency overflow passengers. All seats are supposedly reserved, but the people who built them wisely figured there might be exceptional cases, computer double bookings or whatever. The manager I talked to said to sit in the jump seat until the doors closed (it is nonstop from there to Paris), and plead for mercy when the conductor came to look at my ticket. I did, and the conductor did indeed show me (and several others in my situation) mercy. So, now I am in Paris. My first appointment went faster than expected, which is why I can post this. The next three start now. I'm not even going to ask what else can go wrong. I'm sure I'll find out before the day is through!

As for the posts that were deleted--I didn't see any of them. From the comments, it looked like some who doesn't know me or my work schedule took it upon themselves to assume I am some kind of Richard Branson, running around to one kind of luxury meeting or other, being served champagne and chauffeured around from one luxury setting to another. Besides the obvious low probability that such a person would be a regular poster on DU for the last 17 years, I would have thought that some casual inquiry might have been made before jumping on my case. I take public transportation, métro, whatever, and what meals I can manage to squeeze in are usually cold sandwiches on stale bread (not always, fortunately). Some people commute to the same office every day. My offices are a little more spread out, and I usually have to be in a different country every day for work. It's all work related, and you can forget the champagne, too. I have always hated the taste of all alcoholic beverages, and that includes champagne. There are wine and beer fans who consider someone who lives in Europe to be a sin against nature for that reason alone. Give me a fresh-pressed apricot nectar, and THEN you can start to dis me for my exotic tastes.

highplainsdem

(62,159 posts)
22. I doubt anyone here would want your work or travel schedule, DFW. Hope the
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:45 AM
Oct 2022

travel situation improves soon!

DFW

(60,189 posts)
25. If I make back up to Brussels this evening in time for a good night's sleep.............
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 11:15 AM
Oct 2022

I'll consider it a minor victory!

Phentex

(16,709 posts)
32. You have patience because you are a seasoned traveler...
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 09:51 AM
Oct 2022

I enjoy hearing about your adventures and if I ever needed travel assistance, I hope you'd be my phone-a-friend!

I get lost very easily and I also have little patience when it comes to travel. Also, I need food on a regular basis so delayed/rearranged/canceled flights make me nervous.

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

DFW

(60,189 posts)
33. If you are in need of info, and I can help out, just say the word
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 01:59 PM
Oct 2022

Most places in the world are places I know nothing about, but if it's a place I am familiar with, ask away!

I USED to have little patience when traveling, but when my job started requiring it--and we're going back over 45 years now--and Murphy's law started being applied due some horrible sin I must have committed about 5 incarnations ago, I learned to take it in stride (mostly!) and repeated to myself some version about hoping for the wisdom to accept that which I cannot change, etc etc.

I LIKE to have food on a regular basis--don't always get it, though! If you have serious hypoglycemia, you do have to make provisions for travel disasters, no two ways about it.

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