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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsI nominate "with that being said" for the verbal dumpster
Of history. We should all get back the time we ever spent listening to anybody say with that being said. Is um too basic?
With that being said, thank you very much.
Walleye
(45,436 posts)mahina
(20,717 posts)Shermann
(9,072 posts)I work in engineering where you are often dealing with magical thinking from upper management. They believe that it is what it is not. But it is not what it is not, it is what it is.
Tautology or not, it sometimes needs to be stated. Succinctly.
mahina
(20,717 posts)Exceptions for talking to idiots or upper management. But it is what it is, youre next.
mahina
(20,717 posts)I just get a little judgy Im sorry to say
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)True Dough
(27,310 posts)When someone starts a sentence with "Honestly..." doesn't it make you think, "So you're not always being honest? You're making an exception here to tell me something honestly?"
mahina
(20,717 posts)They are instantly on a used car lot wearing a marroon polyester pant suit.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)CurtEastPoint
(20,096 posts)GOD I HATE THAT ONE!
Bandwidth
Paradigm
low-hanging fruit
step up to the plate
blah blah blah
God I am so glad I am retired!
mahina
(20,717 posts)Or maybe Ill jump off a cliff.
snowybirdie
(6,748 posts)figure out what "writ large" means
Marthe48
(23,443 posts)And sometimes for people stranded on desert islands with a beach!
Pinback
(13,655 posts)insofar as with that being said is concerned, all things being equal, it is absolutely essential that we heed the wise counsel of Professor Strunk and Omit needless words. Omit needless words. Omit needless words.
At the end of the day, as far as Im concerned, the particular phrase you have so helpfully presented in order to stimulate considered deliberation and personal introspection is, in and of itself, worthy of complete elimination from our collective lexicon at this point in time, if not indeed from our very vocabulary.
For all intents and purposes, with that being said is, as a matter of fact, incontrovertibly superfluous and redundant, and I echo your sentiments as set forth in the OP.
Ziggysmom
(4,158 posts)Too many people use literally when they actually mean figuratively, which is the opposite.
Pinback
(13,655 posts)In point of fact, that of course means that I do care a little.
Youre right. I guess its part of of the forever-escalating trend toward making everything a superlative. Literally is usually used in ridiculous sentences, like When she said that, I literally died, yall. Oh, really? So Im speaking to a ghost? Cool!
Its right up there with calling everything a nightmare. The line at the IKEA checkout was a nightmare! I think there are a few Ukrainians whod like to experience that kind of nightmare right about now.
malthaussen
(18,629 posts)It's been going on for decades, and it's like an arms race gone mad. One can't even read the news without encountering several "bombshells" that are really no more than weak tea.
The smallest inconvenience is "worse than the Holocaust." Playing football is like "being deployed in the military." In fact, people have even given up employing superlatives at all -- things are beyond superlative.
It's absolutely the most insane thing ever.
-- Mal
spooky3
(38,864 posts)Marthe48
(23,443 posts)spur of the moment, so to speak, WELL DONE!
mahina
(20,717 posts)I was thinking of my old copy of Strunk and White. Well put. Thanks for the giggles🥇🏅
CTyankee
(68,476 posts)I want to respond by singing "Don't go breaking my heart..." https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=don%27t+go+breaking+my+heart
Shermann
(9,072 posts)This thread has the best of intentions. With that being said, it fallaciously compares a meaningful expression to one that is not.
Contrast that to:
This thread has the best of intentions. Um, it fallaciously compares a meaningful expression to one that is not.
Ocelot II
(131,231 posts)Shermann
(9,072 posts)"However" doesn't get you there. That being said, I'm leaving this thread!
malthaussen
(18,629 posts)... but that just might be my own idiosyncrasy. I am guilty of using "With that being said" on occasion. When I do, it is because the previous statement is true but incomplete. If I use "however," however, it is to contradict the previous statement.
-- Mal
Touché. You made me actually, literally literally break out in laughter.
I still disagree but now my blood is oxygenated so thank you for that and for the fun. I give you:
This thread has the best of intentions. It fallaciously compares a meaningful expression to one that is not.
CTyankee
(68,476 posts)mahina
(20,717 posts)Which is a made up term but thats just what it feels like.
Response to Shermann (Reply #11)
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mahina
(20,717 posts)Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)Another trite expression as an appropriate response to the OP.
Midnight Writer
(25,746 posts)Boomerproud
(9,363 posts)Drives me nuts.
malthaussen
(18,629 posts)LNM
(1,264 posts)No, I dont.
malthaussen
(18,629 posts)When I do, it is because I am moving from a statement that is true but incomplete to one that contains the additional information that modifies the conclusion. ie, "That is true, but this is more true." I generally use "however" when the previous statement is incorrect or I wish to flatly contradict it.
-- Mal
BarbaRosa
(2,732 posts)GenThePerservering
(3,711 posts)Somebody kill it now.
Also it's segue, not segway - a segway is a vehicle.
mahina
(20,717 posts)True!
Sogo
(7,303 posts)LudwigPastorius
(15,006 posts)It's pretentious.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)
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