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mahina

(20,717 posts)
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 09:52 AM Oct 2022

I nominate "with that being said" for the verbal dumpster

Of history. We should all get back the time we ever spent listening to anybody say “with that being said”. Is “um” too basic?

With that being said, thank you very much.

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I nominate "with that being said" for the verbal dumpster (Original Post) mahina Oct 2022 OP
Agree! I hate that phrase alongside of possibly, "but here we are" Walleye Oct 2022 #1
Agreed! Well, It is what it is mahina Oct 2022 #2
Hey don't try to take that one away! Shermann Oct 2022 #9
Ok, point taken. mahina Oct 2022 #20
If anyone says with that being said more than once in a conversation or interview mahina Oct 2022 #3
Now, don't get me wrong... keithbvadu2 Oct 2022 #4
How about "Honestly." True Dough Oct 2022 #5
Oh precisely! mahina Oct 2022 #21
Not that I believe this, but... keithbvadu2 Oct 2022 #6
...at the end of the day... CurtEastPoint Oct 2022 #7
I'll have to circle back with you on that mahina Oct 2022 #22
Still trying to snowybirdie Oct 2022 #8
It worked for John Hancock Marthe48 Oct 2022 #17
Needless to say, Pinback Oct 2022 #10
Please remove "Literally" along with it! Ziggysmom Oct 2022 #12
I could care less. Pinback Oct 2022 #16
That trend towards superlatives is getting out of hand. malthaussen Oct 2022 #29
:-) "In terms of" useless phrases, you're the best! spooky3 Oct 2022 #14
If that was off the top of your head Marthe48 Oct 2022 #18
You've won my heart mahina Oct 2022 #23
Also, "it broke my heart" which is oft done when "it" did no such thing. CTyankee Oct 2022 #26
It's an expression that conveys that an upcoming pivot is intentional Shermann Oct 2022 #11
True. But that being said, "however" does the same thing with fewer words. Ocelot II Oct 2022 #13
It can also act as a segway into something predicated by the previous statement Shermann Oct 2022 #15
I perceive a difference... malthaussen Oct 2022 #31
Ha! mahina Oct 2022 #24
"my blood is oxygenated" is a nice term. I think I'll use it! CTyankee Oct 2022 #27
Almost as fun as when our hormones are carbonated. mahina Oct 2022 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Oct 2022 #25
Nope. Read Sherman's post. But without context I can see how you'd think so. mahina Oct 2022 #42
It is what it is. Earth-shine Oct 2022 #19
I agree, but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on. Midnight Writer Oct 2022 #28
How about "You know what I'm saying" after every sentence. Boomerproud Oct 2022 #30
"And she's all, 'you know what I'm saying?' and I'm like, 'No!'" n/t malthaussen Oct 2022 #32
And you know what I mean? LNM Oct 2022 #35
I am guilty of using the phrase. malthaussen Oct 2022 #33
...ain't no good for nobody. BarbaRosa Oct 2022 #34
"But I digress" GenThePerservering Oct 2022 #36
HA! mahina Oct 2022 #37
Not that I'm nominating this word, but just for laughs: Sogo Oct 2022 #39
Sweet guy mahina Oct 2022 #41
Hate that one. LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #40
I nominate "I nominate" whistler162 Oct 2022 #43

Shermann

(9,072 posts)
9. Hey don't try to take that one away!
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:37 AM
Oct 2022

I work in engineering where you are often dealing with magical thinking from upper management. They believe that it is what it is not. But it is not what it is not, it is what it is.

Tautology or not, it sometimes needs to be stated. Succinctly.

mahina

(20,717 posts)
20. Ok, point taken.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:03 PM
Oct 2022

Exceptions for talking to idiots or upper management. But “ it is what it is,” you’re next.

mahina

(20,717 posts)
3. If anyone says with that being said more than once in a conversation or interview
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:11 AM
Oct 2022

I just get a little judgy I’m sorry to say

True Dough

(27,310 posts)
5. How about "Honestly."
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:24 AM
Oct 2022

When someone starts a sentence with "Honestly..." doesn't it make you think, "So you're not always being honest? You're making an exception here to tell me something honestly?"

mahina

(20,717 posts)
21. Oh precisely!
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:04 PM
Oct 2022

They are instantly on a used car lot wearing a marroon polyester pant suit.

CurtEastPoint

(20,096 posts)
7. ...at the end of the day...
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:26 AM
Oct 2022

GOD I HATE THAT ONE!

Bandwidth
Paradigm
low-hanging fruit
step up to the plate
blah blah blah

God I am so glad I am retired!

Marthe48

(23,443 posts)
17. It worked for John Hancock
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:37 AM
Oct 2022


And sometimes for people stranded on desert islands with a beach!

Pinback

(13,655 posts)
10. Needless to say,
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:38 AM
Oct 2022

insofar as “with that being said” is concerned, all things being equal, it is absolutely essential that we heed the wise counsel of Professor Strunk and “Omit needless words. Omit needless words. Omit needless words.”

At the end of the day, as far as I’m concerned, the particular phrase you have so helpfully presented in order to stimulate considered deliberation and personal introspection is, in and of itself, worthy of complete elimination from our collective lexicon at this point in time, if not indeed from our very vocabulary.

For all intents and purposes, “with that being said” is, as a matter of fact, incontrovertibly superfluous and redundant, and I echo your sentiments as set forth in the OP.

Ziggysmom

(4,158 posts)
12. Please remove "Literally" along with it!
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:43 AM
Oct 2022

Too many people use literally when they actually mean figuratively, which is the opposite.

Pinback

(13,655 posts)
16. I could care less.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:24 AM
Oct 2022

In point of fact, that of course means that I do care a little.

You’re right. I guess it’s part of of the forever-escalating trend toward making everything a superlative. “Literally” is usually used in ridiculous sentences, like “When she said that, I literally died, y’all.” “Oh, really? So I’m speaking to a ghost? Cool!”

It’s right up there with calling everything a “nightmare.” “The line at the IKEA checkout was a nightmare!” I think there are a few Ukrainians who’d like to experience that kind of nightmare right about now.

malthaussen

(18,629 posts)
29. That trend towards superlatives is getting out of hand.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:26 PM
Oct 2022

It's been going on for decades, and it's like an arms race gone mad. One can't even read the news without encountering several "bombshells" that are really no more than weak tea.

The smallest inconvenience is "worse than the Holocaust." Playing football is like "being deployed in the military." In fact, people have even given up employing superlatives at all -- things are beyond superlative.

It's absolutely the most insane thing ever.

-- Mal

mahina

(20,717 posts)
23. You've won my heart
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:07 PM
Oct 2022

I was thinking of my old copy of Strunk and White. Well put. Thanks for the giggles🥇🏅

CTyankee

(68,476 posts)
26. Also, "it broke my heart" which is oft done when "it" did no such thing.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:31 PM
Oct 2022

I want to respond by singing "Don't go breaking my heart..." https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=don%27t+go+breaking+my+heart

Shermann

(9,072 posts)
11. It's an expression that conveys that an upcoming pivot is intentional
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:42 AM
Oct 2022

This thread has the best of intentions. With that being said, it fallaciously compares a meaningful expression to one that is not.

Contrast that to:

This thread has the best of intentions. Um, it fallaciously compares a meaningful expression to one that is not.


Shermann

(9,072 posts)
15. It can also act as a segway into something predicated by the previous statement
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:01 AM
Oct 2022

"However" doesn't get you there. That being said, I'm leaving this thread!

malthaussen

(18,629 posts)
31. I perceive a difference...
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:33 PM
Oct 2022

... but that just might be my own idiosyncrasy. I am guilty of using "With that being said" on occasion. When I do, it is because the previous statement is true but incomplete. If I use "however," however, it is to contradict the previous statement.

-- Mal

mahina

(20,717 posts)
24. Ha!
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:10 PM
Oct 2022

Touché. You made me actually, literally literally break out in laughter.

I still disagree but now my blood is oxygenated so thank you for that and for the fun. I give you:

This thread has the best of intentions. It fallaciously compares a meaningful expression to one that is not.

mahina

(20,717 posts)
38. Almost as fun as when our hormones are carbonated.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 08:51 PM
Oct 2022

Which is a made up term but that’s just what it feels like.

Response to Shermann (Reply #11)

malthaussen

(18,629 posts)
33. I am guilty of using the phrase.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:41 PM
Oct 2022

When I do, it is because I am moving from a statement that is true but incomplete to one that contains the additional information that modifies the conclusion. ie, "That is true, but this is more true." I generally use "however" when the previous statement is incorrect or I wish to flatly contradict it.

-- Mal

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