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Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:01 PM

What is up with people saying " John and I's car?"

It sounds so ignorant. Surely it's not proper.

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Reply What is up with people saying " John and I's car?" (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 30 OP
Blues Heron Nov 30 #1
patricia92243 Nov 30 #2
Scrivener7 Nov 30 #16
patricia92243 Nov 30 #24
applegrove Nov 30 #3
swimboy Nov 30 #4
nature-lover Nov 30 #5
KarenS Nov 30 #9
Patterson Nov 30 #10
zuul Nov 30 #22
KarenS Nov 30 #6
hlthe2b Nov 30 #7
CrispyQ Nov 30 #12
wnylib Nov 30 #15
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 30 #18
Phentex Dec 1 #33
Different Drummer Dec 1 #32
drray23 Nov 30 #8
Walleye Nov 30 #11
nature-lover Nov 30 #13
Walleye Nov 30 #14
Scrivener7 Nov 30 #17
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 30 #19
vanlassie Nov 30 #20
zuul Nov 30 #21
haele Nov 30 #29
Jerryatric Nov 30 #23
3catwoman3 Nov 30 #25
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 30 #26
LuckyCharms Nov 30 #27
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 30 #28
malthaussen Dec 1 #30
Phentex Dec 1 #34
3catwoman3 Dec 1 #36
Dysfunctional Dec 1 #31
Harker Dec 1 #35

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:02 PM

1. Some people are so determined to avoid "me" that they overcompensate the other way

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:06 PM

2. John and my car?????

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:53 PM

16. John's and my car.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 03:53 PM

24. Almost, but no cigar for me :)

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:07 PM

3. I read some letters doing genealogy. These were from the 1850s.

Language was not spelt the same way as it is today. I guess it is always evolving. My mom would go nuts if I said "them and I". She was a stickler for grammar.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:09 PM

4. That car of John's and mine

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:10 PM

5. Easy trick. Take out the other person and try again. John's car. My car. So, it's John's and my car.

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Response to nature-lover (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:12 PM

9. LOL

we were posting at the same time I am a 'grammar nazi'

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Response to nature-lover (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:16 PM

10. I agree.

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Response to nature-lover (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 03:11 PM

22. It really is easy.

I don't understand why people get it so wrong.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:10 PM

6. I was taught

to drop the other name out to see what sounds right to use,,,, then use it,,,,

so you would not say " I's car " you would say " my car " therefore it is
" John's and my car "

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:11 PM

7. Well, maybe they have been so corrected (but never learned) that it is not

"me and John" did this or that, that they are overcompensating here...

Do we really not teach grammar anymore? I'm left wondering and yes, I freely admit that we all make the occasional error. Still...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:35 PM

12. I recently checked out a book from the library that had great reviews.

It was so full of sentence fragments that I couldn't read it. It was annoying & often times, jarring. One of the writers in my critique group says that sentence fragments are a writing style, but I say they're incorrect grammar. An occasional sentence fragment to make a point is one thing, but sentence fragments throughout a manuscript is too much, IMO.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:52 PM

15. I agree. People who never learned

how to use "me" correctly tend to avoid using it at all.

They don't get it that "me" is correct when used as an object, and "I" is only for first person subject of a sentence. Even if they don't remember or understand the grammar rules, they can learn from example by listening to teachers give them examples.

A frequent mistake is "Between you and I." Between is a preposition. Therefore, the correct word is "me" as the object of the preposition.

Pronouns in general seem to be a problem for some people who can't distinguish between subject, object, or possessive. I hear people say, "us children" when children is the subject of the sentence so it should be "we children."

Or, as subjects of a sentence, "Her and I" instead of the correct "She and I."

But, as you said, we all make mistakes. I never did get "which" vs. "that" correctly.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:12 PM

18. I think saying "John and I's" is a new thing. Have heard

Multiple times but always from 20-30 something's.

To me me and John isn't anywhere near as cringeworthy as John and I's

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 09:40 PM

33. I'm with you. I seem to hear it more now...

Is. On tv and podcasts and radio.

I even looked it up one time because I thought maybe I missed something. Is is not supposed to be a thing!

I also almost wrote to a radio host with a lesson about his use of the phrase my fianc and Is

Instead I stopped listening. 😀

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 09:36 PM

32. Seems like grammar, unfortunately, isn't important in schools anymore. n/t

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:12 PM

8. the use of I and me can be tricky in English

Especially if you are a non-native speaker like me.

For example, I could rephrase it:
"You are a non-native speaker as I" which is also correct.

In your example it has to be me (my) because it's a possessive So, you would say
It is John's and my car.

I still struggle with all these rules. Fortunately, my wife is a native speaker and excellent writer. I often will ask her to proofread articles before I submit them (I am a scientist, so I regularly have to write journal articles) for review.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:32 PM

11. You are right it is tricky especially in your example

But I really get tired of people saying. It was for my wife and I, and the like

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Response to Walleye (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:36 PM

13. It is much easier to correct while writing than speaking. Your example bothers me too.

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Response to nature-lover (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:44 PM

14. Yes, I appreciate texting more than talking on the phone now

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:56 PM

17. Makes me nuts. Especially when you see it from people who speak for a living, like newscasters.

Argggggggghhhhhh!!!!!

But then, of all the things to allow to make me nuts, right? I am aware of the silliness of my strong feelings about grammar.

But I still have them!!!

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:15 PM

19. Me to

Lol

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:40 PM

20. Let's talk about "myself."

I heard Rachel Maddow misuse it recently. Wish I would remember that sentence.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 03:10 PM

21. Almost as bad as

"You guys's car" . . . that drives me nuts.

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Response to zuul (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 08:46 PM

29. If from New Jersey - 'Youze Guy's Car'.

We really need a Nosotros version of "you".
On edit - Laz reminded me that in the South, it's "y'all's car".

Haele

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 03:21 PM

23. Ugh, that one is the one that really bothers me.

I know an English teacher who doesn't even know when to use me or I and I've corrected her multiple times. She seems to think it doesn't matter and laughs it off. TV shows, movies, and books have characters who say I when they should use me so often that I've wondered how long it will be before the correct way becomes officially wrong.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 04:37 PM

25. Of all the grammatical atrocities that have become so common, this one...

...just sets my teeth on edge. My own younger son used it the other day, with other people around, and I had to bite my tongue not to correct him. I'm still trying to decide whether or not to bring it up privately. He knows I'm a language nut, so he'd probably just roll his eyes at me.

I find the I/me thing mysterious. It really shouldn't be hard, and no one ever does it wrong in the singular. I have never heard anyone say "Us are going to the store," or "Her had to go to the hospital," or "Give it to I."

And the guys's (guys'es?) things is awful. Rachel Maddow says it frequently and it sounds so wrong coming from someone as searingly intelligent as she is.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 05:03 PM

26. Your son said "I's". ? Must be a weird trend? :)

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:00 PM

27. I would need to know whose name is

on the registration before I could determine the appropriate grammar.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 07:43 PM

28. Jethro

"when I grow up I want to be either a brain surgeon or a short order cook". Jethro

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 01:47 PM

30. One of the most common grammitical mistakes.

Goes back a long time. I've often thought it's because people think of "me" as ignorant -- as in "me Tarzan, you Jane." Books and films frequently had people who were uneducated in English use "me" instead of "I," and thus "I" became the go-to for all circumstances.

Of course, I could also go on a long rant about how I see this as symptomatic of our society's increased confusion of subject and object, but that might be more than you bargained for.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 09:45 PM

34. I understand the misuse of me and I but

Using Is?

Whats next? Mes and my husband? His and mys house? 😎

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Response to Phentex (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 11:10 PM

36. Oh, gawd, let's not give people...

...any ideas.

I can, unfortunately, totally see the "his and my's" happening.

I think I must have been an English teacher in a previous life. Sloppy speech and writing is like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. Years ago, I had a very dear neighbor who always said, "I should have came," or, "I should have went." I really had to fight the urge to correct her.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:28 PM

31. Ain't nobody gonna tell I how to talk.

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Response to Dysfunctional (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 1, 2022, 09:53 PM

35. Right youse is! n/t

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