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malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
3. Not familiar with that "tradition."
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:31 PM
Dec 2022

But it's pretty depressing that the women put up with it.

-- Mal

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
6. I think they are messaging that they would like to say "Merry Christmas!", but they can't
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:53 PM
Dec 2022

because --- you know--- "woke" atheistic socialist snowflake baby-rapers.

Happy Holidays, y'all!

petronius

(26,696 posts)
7. From the "peace on earth" signs and the ungagged males, I think they're saying that
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:30 PM
Dec 2022

it's 'peaceful' when women are silenced. 'Cause of all that nagging or whatever...

lark

(26,080 posts)
4. I was raised Southern Baptist which is as evangelical as it gets/
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:40 PM
Dec 2022

This was never done, it is NOT a tradition. Now if in these fascist times some churches have started this, well, it's not tradition, it's just plain old woman hating.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
9. Shouldn't the children in those photos be
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:51 PM
Dec 2022

holding machine guns? That's the true republican Christmas spirit.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
10. What I want to know is who inserted Jesus of Nazareth into the
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:59 PM
Dec 2022
Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun? Trying to ruin a perfectly good Pagan holiday.

As Pink Floyd might have said, "Hey, Christians, leave us kids alone."

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
12. Don't know about the Sun birthday,
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 11:08 PM
Dec 2022

but it was the birthday of Mithras, a Zoroastrian god that became popular with Romans.

Competition between religions in the Roman Empire looks like the reason for usurping the birthday of Mithras.



GenThePerservering

(3,367 posts)
13. Pagan traditions were coopted
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:39 AM
Dec 2022

so that the new Christians knew when to show up for whatever ritual they were supposed to show up for. A lot of Christian tradition is just a thin veneer over a much older Pagan tradition.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
15. Sometimes the usurping of a holiday is by intent,
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 03:24 AM
Dec 2022

like establishing the date for celebrating the birthday of Jesus when no one really knows what time of year he was born.

But the meshing of Pagan and Christian customs and symbols was often not by deliberate design. In anthropology, the blending of customs and religious beliefs and practices is called religious syncretism. It has happened often in various cultures and religions as an unplanned consequence of cultures coming into contact with each other.

When a culture encounters the religion of another one, it adopts some of the beliefs, customs, and symbols from the other culture, but old customs die hard, so they get retained and blended. People follow many of the old ways and reinterpret the new ones to fit the meanings of the old one and vice versa. This happens naturally, as a result of contact, often through trade, but also through wars and conquests.

So Samhain customs became a celebration of the souls of saints in Christianity, but the ways of celebrating are the customs of Samhain that we practice today as Halloween. The Pagan Roman religion had multiple gods with their own spheres of influence and powers. In Christianity, that custom got carried over into patron saints for various things in life, while accepting the principle of one god instead of many.

In Spanish the word for Easter is Paschal, derived from Latin for the Hebrew word for Passover. Jesus is called the Paschal lamb, referring to the ancient Jewish practice of sacrificing a lamb in the temple for Passover. Spain was part of the Roman Empire before the birth of Jesus so the Latin word and symbol is carried on over in the holiday name. But northern Europe adopted Christianity later and we use the word Easter, from the northern pre Christian goddess, Eostre, who was the goddess of spring and fertility. So our Eater celebrations center on eggs and bunnies, ancient symbols of fertility, reinterpreted in Christianity to mean new life as a result of Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus.

These absorption of pre Christian names and customs in Christianity are the natural occurrences of religious syncretism due to a meshing of cultures and beliefs.





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