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Celerity

(54,448 posts)
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 08:51 AM Dec 2022

Gore Vidal vs Norman Mailer - The Dick Cavett Show - The Infamous feud between them.

Date aired - 12/1/1971 - Gore Vidal, Norman Mailer, Janet Flanner



Dick Cavett discusses the clash of Norman Mailer and Gore Vidal on this show



The Writer in America: Janet Flanner



In 1925 Flanner sent her first "Letter from Paris" to Harold Ross, the editor of a new magazine "The New Yorker." Providing Flanner with the pen name, Genet, Ross instructed her to write about what the French were thinking and doing, not about what the American tourist thought of Paris. During almost fifty years abroad, Flanner filled her Paris letters with insights on European society and politics from her perspective as an American
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Gore Vidal vs Norman Mailer - The Dick Cavett Show - The Infamous feud between them. (Original Post) Celerity Dec 2022 OP
Norman Mailer was such a creep. The original men's rights advocate. This was fun to watch. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #1
Janet Flanner was great, she had such a fascinating life Celerity Dec 2022 #2
Wouldn't it be great to be a fly on the wall as the two of them entertained guests like Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #4
the time between WWI and WWII in Paris would be amazing to live in (1900 or so to 1914 too) Celerity Dec 2022 #5
True. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #6
Thanks. cachukis Dec 2022 #9
Yea Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #3
the ur-incel, one might say Celerity Dec 2022 #7
A treat. Highbrow entertainment. Everyone should listen cachukis Dec 2022 #8

Scrivener7

(59,531 posts)
1. Norman Mailer was such a creep. The original men's rights advocate. This was fun to watch.
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 10:25 AM
Dec 2022

Thank you!

Celerity

(54,448 posts)
2. Janet Flanner was great, she had such a fascinating life
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 10:52 AM
Dec 2022

In 1918, the same year she married her husband, she met Solita Solano in Greenwich Village, and the two became lifelong lovers, although both became involved with other lovers throughout their relationship.



American Writers Janet Flanner and Solita Solano, the Lesbian Lovers Who Fled 1920s America for Paris and Lived Their Best Life

https://www.vintag.es/2018/06/janet-flanner-and-solita-solano.html

So said writer and journalist Janet Flanner, when she explained her decision to move to Paris in 1922 with her lover, Solita Solano. The pair settled on rue Bonaparte in Saint-Germain and started writing novels. But it was as a journalist that Flanner really found her voice.



Before arriving in the French capital, Solano and Flanner had traveled in Greece, en route to Constantinople, where Solano was on assignment for National Geographic. The pair, who were alienated from their claustrophobic lives in New York, didn’t make it back to the states — instead, they landed in Paris, where they made a home.

When Harold Ross and Jane Grant founded The New Yorker magazine in 1925, they hired Flanner to write a regular letter from Paris. Under the pen name Genet (which Ross amusingly thought was French for Janet), Flanner’s letters became a staple of the magazine right up until she was forced to leave Paris prior to the German invasion. When she returned after the war, the letters started up again.


Solita Solano and Janet Flanner, near Knossus, Crete, 1921.

Flanner and Solano made a model bohemian expat life together — decorating their home, according to Wineapple, with “leopard print throws” and flea market treasures, and passed their time having brioche together in a cafe for breakfast, doing errands during the day, and writing in the afternoon and early evening, sometimes departing afterward for a visit to the book stalls and a dinner of couscous and mint tea. They hung out at Sylvia Beach’s Shakespeare & Company bookstore, took short vacations to Brittany and Normandy, and entertained friends like F. Scott Fitzgerald.

Flanner’s dispatches became required reading for certain highbrow Americans who wanted to understand the city’s culture. And though Solano never built a strong reputation on her fiction the way she’d dreamed of, her life in Paris was by all accounts satisfying. Years later, Solano left Flanner after Flanner began an affair with an Italian editor, Natalia Danesi Murray. Solano took up with sculptor Elizabeth Jenks Clark. But Flanner and Solano remained a steadily nourishing part of one another’s lives, and their time together stands as a stunning portrait of Left Bank lesbian romance and intellectual productivity. In 1974, almost sixty years after they met, Flanner wrote to Solano, “Rarely does a day go by that I don’t think of you…Yes, you and I have known each other very very long.”


Solita Solano and Djuna Barnes in "Café Le Dome", Paris, 1922.


Solita Solano, Janet Flanner, and a man seated outdoors, Crete, 1921.

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Scrivener7

(59,531 posts)
4. Wouldn't it be great to be a fly on the wall as the two of them entertained guests like
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 11:33 AM
Dec 2022

Fitzgerald?

These periods where great minds come together in one place and hang out with each other have always fascinated me.

Celerity

(54,448 posts)
5. the time between WWI and WWII in Paris would be amazing to live in (1900 or so to 1914 too)
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 11:38 AM
Dec 2022

not some much fun during WWI or WWII

Johnny2X2X

(24,216 posts)
3. Yea
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 10:54 AM
Dec 2022

You see the birth the the incel, perpetually aggrieved and victimized white male culture being born here. Mailer was a scumbag devoid of common decency.

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