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Floyd R. Turbo

(32,867 posts)
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:56 PM May 2023

One of the joys of my adult life is never going hungry and having food in the pantry and fridge.

I still have nightmares about my mother not having enough money to pay for the items in the grocery cart and me having to put stuff back on the store’s shelves.

When I learned to add, I would calculate the running total as my mom put goods in the cart so we wouldn’t be embarrassed at the checkout.

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One of the joys of my adult life is never going hungry and having food in the pantry and fridge. (Original Post) Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 OP
Poverty can scar you. I worry about food alot since I went hungry and stole food as a kid. 58Sunliner May 2023 #1
As a frequent visitor to the cloak room to ponder my transgressions, I occasionally liberated a Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 #4
I grew up in a family of four, raised by a single mom bhikkhu May 2023 #21
Take it back to Goodwill housecat May 2023 #23
You are a rich guy Joinfortmill May 2023 #31
LOL. I was the youngest of three sisters, I know hand me downs well. 58Sunliner May 2023 #46
I hear ya. Eko May 2023 #2
Remember well commodity food. Cheese, butter, spam in a can.😋 Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 #5
Powdered milk was horrible though. Eko May 2023 #7
Oh! And the powdered eggs! 😬 Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 #8
Never had those. Eko May 2023 #11
The most expensive (relatively) breakfast Mblaze May 2023 #15
Another good child - worth so much more than money. Joinfortmill May 2023 #33
I am in an area where 30 percent are below the poverty line Tetrachloride May 2023 #3
When I was in college Unwind Your Mind May 2023 #44
I remember those times... Bayard May 2023 #6
Your Dad was a great person! Duppers May 2023 #19
Lately, those totals add up fast after just a few items SouthernDem4ever May 2023 #9
I'd get up early to pop popcorn for our lunch bags. I'd often trade for bags of Fritos, etc. AnotherMother4Peace May 2023 #10
Not to forget those that might have had a good life erronis May 2023 #12
I spent many adult years going a day or two without food. Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #13
I agree. hay rick May 2023 #17
Yes empathy for others and opportunities for ourselves. Some, perhaps many, people with wealth and housecat May 2023 #28
Glad it's over... Joinfortmill May 2023 #34
been there done that. barbtries May 2023 #14
I have never lost that fear. I am trying to put it into perspective. 58Sunliner May 2023 #47
I remember my mom had this small plastic adding machine nuxvomica May 2023 #16
A horrible thing and I'm sorry that you had to suffer this. It should never happen. SWBTATTReg May 2023 #18
I'm on on my way to the center of my city in a distant land. Tetrachloride May 2023 #20
My wife had the same experience as you did growing up, still cringes about it. Canoe52 May 2023 #22
Stamp out hunger, Saturday, May 13 (National Association of Letter Carriers) thatcrowwoman May 2023 #24
My thanks! Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 #40
My mother grew up in poverty. It turned her into a hoarder and foodaholic. Earth-shine May 2023 #25
I was 1 of 5 orphaned at age 8... Grins May 2023 #26
don't know what it was but this month lots of friends were really broke dembotoz May 2023 #27
you were a good son. Joinfortmill May 2023 #29
Thank you. Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 #41
I remember very well moniss May 2023 #30
My brother and I would collect coal from the rail yard for our furnace in our wagon. It took a lot Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 #42
I donate regularly to a food bank. Niagara May 2023 #32
It gets worse every year for us. EVERYTHING is way more expensive than it is worth. onecaliberal May 2023 #35
I wonder if my kids think like this Tree Lady May 2023 #36
Oh Floyd, you are a great person. I look forward to your posts everyday. You are talented, kind and debm55 May 2023 #37
You are so kind. Thank you. Floyd R. Turbo May 2023 #43
I've never experienced any of this IbogaProject May 2023 #38
Seriously, I'd like to know who decided to abandon the 50 Tetrachloride May 2023 #45
Anybody beemerphill May 2023 #39

58Sunliner

(6,320 posts)
1. Poverty can scar you. I worry about food alot since I went hungry and stole food as a kid.
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:02 PM
May 2023

Unfortunately it was hohos, twinkies, candybars and cupcakes. Probably explains the root canals I've had done over the years.

Floyd R. Turbo

(32,867 posts)
4. As a frequent visitor to the cloak room to ponder my transgressions, I occasionally liberated a
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:10 PM
May 2023

snack from one of the lunchboxes residing there. I never ate all of the cupcakes or cookies or whatever.

Mea culpa!

bhikkhu

(10,789 posts)
21. I grew up in a family of four, raised by a single mom
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:31 PM
May 2023

back in the 70's. We had a great family really and never actually went hungry, but we definitely didn't get to pick whatever we wanted at the grocery store. Most of our clothes growing up were hand-me-downs; I had bigger cousings who'd outgrow things, which then came to my brother and then to me. We learned not to ask for new things, as it just made my mom look sad.

It definitely leaves a mark. I took an early retirement 6 months ago, have money in the bank and two houses, but I still don't spend anything without a lot of thought. One of my old flannel shirts that I'd gotten from Goodwill a long while back started falling apart the other day, and I spent weeks thinking about options, then finally bought a new shirt. And I was trying to remember the last time I bought a new shirt...I really have no idea, maybe 15 years. It's a nice flannel shirt though, it fits well, kind of makes me feel like a rich guy when I wear it.

58Sunliner

(6,320 posts)
46. LOL. I was the youngest of three sisters, I know hand me downs well.
Thu May 11, 2023, 09:17 PM
May 2023

It's funny, I don't have a problem spending money on clothes. Maybe I should. Buy yourself some new shirts. You only live once.

Eko

(9,972 posts)
2. I hear ya.
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:02 PM
May 2023

My Mom raised three boys by herself. I remember one Christmas she was on the phone crying to my grandfather that she didn't have any money to buy things for the stockings. I must of been like 8 so I went and shoveled snow off of sidewalks for the weekend and gave her all the money I made. Life was rough back then. Most dinners were soup and a grilled cheese, but the government cheese was awesome ha ha.

Mblaze

(1,012 posts)
15. The most expensive (relatively) breakfast
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:56 PM
May 2023

I ever had was in the Yukon Territories off of the Alcan Highway. Powdered milk, powdered eggs, potatoes and coffee. I wuz gouged. 😀

Tetrachloride

(9,601 posts)
3. I am in an area where 30 percent are below the poverty line
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:07 PM
May 2023

and another 30 are near.

Some foods are cheaper than the rest: potatoes, carrots, cukes, zukes.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,346 posts)
44. When I was in college
Tue May 9, 2023, 12:56 PM
May 2023

My go to cheap meal was a big baked russet potato with salsa. Tasty and filling

Bayard

(29,525 posts)
6. I remember those times...
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:13 PM
May 2023

Also the time we were driving down to visit my grandparents in SC. Early morning, and my Dad pulled into a little greasy spoon so he could sleep, and Mom and kids could get breakfast. He handed my Mom $2 to do that. She ordered pancakes and cut them in half to feed 4 hungry kids.

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
19. Your Dad was a great person!
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:13 PM
May 2023

It would've been the other way around in my household - my father always put himself first. But we seldom stopped at restaurants - mother brought groceries & we cooked on grills at roadside parks.

I remember once eating at a counter in a restaurant when my brother ordered OJ that was 75c. Father told waitress to take it back.

Once stopped at an old hotel on our way to Michigan to visit relatives; it was a very hot upstairs room with 2 beds - there was 6 of us. I remember being miserable.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
9. Lately, those totals add up fast after just a few items
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:23 PM
May 2023

Anyone else notice prices jumping a dollar at a time on items less than 5 dollars?

AnotherMother4Peace

(5,110 posts)
10. I'd get up early to pop popcorn for our lunch bags. I'd often trade for bags of Fritos, etc.
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:24 PM
May 2023

I remember big pots of Tomato Soup, and sometimes chili - Always oatmeal, sometimes apples. - big family not a lot of money.

I too, now enjoy apples & oranges on the table & food in the pantry/frig.

erronis

(23,724 posts)
12. Not to forget those that might have had a good life
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:26 PM
May 2023

and are now forced into much worse circumstances.

Illness/medical debt
Loss of jobs
Loss of a spouse/income
Depletion of savings
Theft (both personal and corporate)
Eviction and homelessness

As the world continues to heap wealth on the wealthy it is continuing to rob the middle-class and the poor.

Tom Yossarian Joad

(19,275 posts)
13. I spent many adult years going a day or two without food.
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:39 PM
May 2023

Thankfully those seem to be far behind today but it has given me a world view and an empathy that would be very different without such experiences.

hay rick

(9,579 posts)
17. I agree.
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:02 PM
May 2023

I think those who have experienced poverty firsthand are more easily able to put themselves in the shoes of those who are currently poor. You understand the importance of a good break here or a bad break there if you have experienced both. Living without reliable access to food, shelter, or transportation changes your perspective. I'm sure that is even more true of lack of access to medical care- an experience I avoided through the fortunate circumstance of consistently good health during my poor years.

housecat

(3,138 posts)
28. Yes empathy for others and opportunities for ourselves. Some, perhaps many, people with wealth and
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:14 PM
May 2023

luxury can be poor. People who appear to have very little may not be or feel poor at all. Some of the examples of what DUers have done to deal with less were creative and admirable, far from being poor.

barbtries

(31,295 posts)
14. been there done that.
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:55 PM
May 2023

been shamed by the cashier with the line growing longer...ugh

I am happy that we're comfortable and relatively financially secure now, but i don't seem to lose the mentality of being poor. It all seems so fragile to me.

nuxvomica

(14,070 posts)
16. I remember my mom had this small plastic adding machine
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:59 PM
May 2023

It had three plungers, one each for dollars, dimes and cents. She'd use that to keep track of her running total while grocery shopping. I recall her constantly complaining about the price of bread or milk going up. I helped her out on the milk part because I only liked skim milk so I was happy with the far less expensive powdered milk.

SWBTATTReg

(26,251 posts)
18. A horrible thing and I'm sorry that you had to suffer this. It should never happen.
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:08 PM
May 2023

In this land of plenty, No one should ever go hungry.

I do, and have, when I see someone in line ahead of me at the checkout counter not quite have enough, for what they had up there (and it's food), I will make up the difference for them on the spot. I consider it my good deed for the day.

These kinds of good deeds though, as I said, in this land of plenty (that's what they call the US), should not have to happen.

Be well all.

Tetrachloride

(9,601 posts)
20. I'm on on my way to the center of my city in a distant land.
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:25 PM
May 2023

i keep some change in my pocket. I only give to women as their employment rate here is under 20 %

Several know me by sight.

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
24. Stamp out hunger, Saturday, May 13 (National Association of Letter Carriers)
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:53 PM
May 2023

Your mom raised a fine man, Floyd R. Turbo.

This coming Saturday is National Stamp Out Hunger day.
Sound to me like many people here on DU may want to participate.

Mail Carriers will collect cans and boxes of food to be distributed to food banks in your local community. Just leave your donation by your mailbox and your mail carriers will do the rest.

https://www.nalc.org/community-service/food-drive

I’m making extra donations to my food box in honor of your mother, Floyd, and all of the parents who have struggled to feed their families in this land of plenty.
🕊thatcrowwoman

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
25. My mother grew up in poverty. It turned her into a hoarder and foodaholic.
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:02 PM
May 2023

There was never enough to eat. There was hardly any furniture.

Then, over the years, she acquired some wealth.

She bought much crap over time and stuffed it into drawers, closets, and corner spaces. So much stuff, that stuff blocks access to other stuff. She doesn't know what she has, so she buys it again.

If Dollar Tree has it, she owns it, but she can't get to it, so she buys it again.

So much packaged food, most of it expires before she gets to it. The food is years old, but she won't throw it away.

Overflowing from the closets are blankets, linens, clothing, shoes, toiletries, and more. It all gets so dirty and grimy, one doesn't want to touch it.

As the dementia set in, the hoarding only got worse.

Recently, we had to move her to assisted living because she can no longer care for herself. She is keeping her house so she can keep all her stuff.

Historically speaking, she's an angry person and difficult to get along with.

To paraphrase what the Buddha said, "It's our attachments to material possessions that make us miserable." I feel that every day when I have to clean stuff, organize stuff, move stuff, put away stuff, and of course, trip over stuff.




Grins

(9,435 posts)
26. I was 1 of 5 orphaned at age 8...
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:12 PM
May 2023

Supplemental Social Security gave a FEW dollars every month to my widowed mother.

One day, 40-some years later, after college, after the Army, and after a TERRIFIC year financially, I remembered those small payments. I swear, for every dollar I got from the government in support - I returned it 100-fold in taxes back to the government. And that’s just one year! God knows about all the other years.

And not just me; my 4 siblings all got bachelors, Masters, and Doctorates degrees - and also did very well!

I also thought, if I knew what I was given then, I’D PAY IT BACK! Happily.

The Reich-wingers look at that as welfare giveaways for the “takers.” We should look at those payments as investments.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
27. don't know what it was but this month lots of friends were really broke
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:13 PM
May 2023

for me it was an unexpected car repair and depleted reserves from a family wedding and a new baby in the family.
person who i kinda subsidize ran out of food and they hit the food pantry for the first time in a long time...thank god for the pantry.
folks juggling payments or being late on stuff they are never late on....

The immediate crisis seems somewhat over or perhaps they just are not telling me.

guess what i am saying is the posts above are about things we grew up with. These are still the way things are for a lot of people.

fighting for poor folks is kinda the core reason i am a dem......while trying not to be one myself

moniss

(9,026 posts)
30. I remember very well
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:18 PM
May 2023

when I was a kid there were no "shut-off prohibitions" for utilities in the winter. Got awful cold many times. Later on had no money many times. When I was homeless for a good spell of time you get that fear and memory of hunger that stays with you for the rest of your life. If, hopefully, things get better for you it will not be something you just forget having happened.

Floyd R. Turbo

(32,867 posts)
42. My brother and I would collect coal from the rail yard for our furnace in our wagon. It took a lot
Mon May 8, 2023, 09:36 PM
May 2023

of trips but it was a life saver in the dead of winter.

Tree Lady

(13,257 posts)
36. I wonder if my kids think like this
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:48 PM
May 2023

I went through 15 years from 25-40 where I bought food but never any extras or a pantry full. Few of those years real tough. My kids were always fed but the abundance I have now. Both my girls in 40's make good money and have great jobs. I always had the impression they we're determined never to depend on a man for money nor not have plenty for their kids.

debm55

(60,133 posts)
37. Oh Floyd, you are a great person. I look forward to your posts everyday. You are talented, kind and
Mon May 8, 2023, 04:08 PM
May 2023

kind. Best of luck in all you do..

IbogaProject

(5,852 posts)
38. I've never experienced any of this
Mon May 8, 2023, 04:13 PM
May 2023

But somehow I've developed compassion and I care about this issue deeply. It might be that I'm insulin dependent so I've faced many challenges in relation to that and I can see how we've gotten much worse as a nation in 40 years.

I think we need to do a grassroots get out the vote and organically pursue a '50 state strategy'. I fear the big money donors even affect our party negatively. They abandoned the 50 state thing after we almost got to 60 Senators in 2009. Grassroots so the big money can't veto us with backroom deals.

beemerphill

(599 posts)
39. Anybody
Mon May 8, 2023, 05:20 PM
May 2023

who has enough food and a place to cook and eat is BLESSED.
We often take essential facts like this for granted.

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