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Sneederbunk

(17,495 posts)
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 02:39 PM Jul 2023

It's Historical Trivia Question Time. Make your submission.

Mine: Where in the US, immediately following the end of the Civil War, was slavery still legal? No Googling

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It's Historical Trivia Question Time. Make your submission. (Original Post) Sneederbunk Jul 2023 OP
West Virginia Sanity Claws Jul 2023 #1
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #4
I looked up the answer to your question, so I won't post it EYESORE 9001 Jul 2023 #2
Just learned the answer from a book I am reading. Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #9
Wasn't implying anything of the sort EYESORE 9001 Jul 2023 #51
Kentucky. n/t GP6971 Jul 2023 #3
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #5
Texas dweller Jul 2023 #6
Nix Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #22
Texas applegrove Jul 2023 #7
Are we including US territories, or is it states only? FakeNoose Jul 2023 #8
What is now continental US. Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #12
Various northern states unc70 Jul 2023 #10
Nyet. Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #14
Was it claudette Jul 2023 #11
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #15
Then why claudette Jul 2023 #18
Juneteenth was when Texas slaves were told of emancipation. Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #28
According to claudette Jul 2023 #38
I'll take a stab. sdfernando Jul 2023 #13
Sorry. Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #16
Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri? Glorfindel Jul 2023 #17
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #19
Wow. I looked it up so I won't say. Surprising. Scrivener7 Jul 2023 #20
My guess: Missouri FakeNoose Jul 2023 #21
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #23
Galveston, Texas? Sucha NastyWoman Jul 2023 #24
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #25
TX and DE bottomofthehill Jul 2023 #26
The same state that still has an antebellum style government Historic NY Jul 2023 #27
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #29
Florida debm55 Jul 2023 #34
In prisons? Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #30
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #31
Alabama debm55 Jul 2023 #32
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #36
Loiusiana debm55 Jul 2023 #35
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #37
Florida debm55 Jul 2023 #39
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #40
Maryland debm55 Jul 2023 #41
No Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #42
You can keep guessing or I will give answer if someone asks for it. Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #43
I'd like to know the answer. n/t GP6971 Jul 2023 #44
Answer: Indian reservations. Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #47
Thanks! n/t GP6971 Jul 2023 #49
I was just about to post my 2nd guess sdfernando Jul 2023 #50
Holy Camolie! WhiteTara Jul 2023 #54
Before Columbus, several tribes had slavery, but it was wnylib Jul 2023 #56
I should have known this one. Mr YD is descended on his yellowdogintexas Jul 2023 #55
Mississippi? debm55 Jul 2023 #45
Delaware...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2023 #46
Everywhere. usonian Jul 2023 #48
okay okay Tell me! WhiteTara Jul 2023 #52
See 47. above Sneederbunk Jul 2023 #53

Sanity Claws

(22,413 posts)
1. West Virginia
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 02:47 PM
Jul 2023

Guess because Emancipation Proclamation applied only to states in rebellion, IIRC

EYESORE 9001

(29,732 posts)
2. I looked up the answer to your question, so I won't post it
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 02:51 PM
Jul 2023

but the comments following some of those articles tells me that white supremacists have way too much time on their hands.

EYESORE 9001

(29,732 posts)
51. Wasn't implying anything of the sort
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 04:50 PM
Jul 2023

I landed on a blog with several slavery-related topics and the comments were from white supremacists.

unc70

(6,501 posts)
10. Various northern states
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 02:56 PM
Jul 2023

NJ, for example. Slavery was still legal until the ratifications of the 13th and 14th amendments -- Dec 1865 and July 1868. The Emancipation Proclamation affected only the states in rebellion, those that had joined the confederacy.

Sneederbunk

(17,495 posts)
28. Juneteenth was when Texas slaves were told of emancipation.
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 03:28 PM
Jul 2023

It was not the date of emancipation.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
38. According to
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 03:49 PM
Jul 2023

the info at that link it doesn’t say that.

June" and "nineteenth", as it is celebrated on the anniversary of June 19, 1865, when in the wake of the American Civil War, Major General Gordon Granger ordered the final enforcement of the Emancipation Proclamation in Texas

Glorfindel

(10,175 posts)
17. Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri?
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 03:00 PM
Jul 2023

"Border" states where slavery was legal, but didn't secede from the union.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
21. My guess: Missouri
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 03:08 PM
Jul 2023

Missouri didn't join the Confederacy, even though it was a borderline state. And it was one of the last slave states to be admitted to the Union, despite the fact that only a few counties that actually had slavery. (I think it was because of tobacco crops.)

I was actually born in Saint Louis, MO and when to grade school there, so I did learn some history. Apparently I haven't forgotten all of it yet.



bottomofthehill

(9,390 posts)
26. TX and DE
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 03:27 PM
Jul 2023

I think Texas and Delaware both has slavery after the civil was. There is an Underground Railroad tour in MD and DE that talked about slavery after the Civil War. It was pretty well documented on the tour. And TX because of the Juneteen celebration.

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
27. The same state that still has an antebellum style government
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 03:27 PM
Jul 2023

where whites are superior to the black folks. The same one that dead last in the state rankings. the Gov is Tator its not hasrd to figure it out

Response to debm55 (Reply #32)

Sneederbunk

(17,495 posts)
47. Answer: Indian reservations.
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 04:21 PM
Jul 2023

Yes, some Native-Americans owned black slaves. It was a factor in some tribes supporting and fighting for the Confederacy. Banning slavery on the reservations was not finalized by treaty until 1866. Interestingly, some former slaves (Buffalo Soldiers) participated in the genocide of Native-Americans. History is not for sissies.

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
54. Holy Camolie!
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 06:49 PM
Jul 2023

I did not know that Native Americans had black slaves. Thanks for another fact not taught in American History.

wnylib

(26,017 posts)
56. Before Columbus, several tribes had slavery, but it was
Mon Jul 10, 2023, 06:07 AM
Jul 2023

usually a temporary condition of servitude brought about in various ways. In some cultures, a person who was destitute would offer servitude in return for support, but eventually earned freedom again. In some cases it was the servitude of captives taken in war until they became acclimated to the language and customs of the new tribe as a tribal member. Then they were accepted as full members.

It was Christian missionaries who introduced race-based, permanent enslavement of Africans as a buy and sell trade. Some tribal members among the Cherokee opposed that slave practice. Before their removal to the West, the Cherokee people wrote a constitution for themselves. They agreed that slavery was wrong, but wealthy, land-owning Cherokee families continued to have slaves. Cherokee slaves were able to intermarry into the tribe and to even hold some offices in tribal government. If they gained their freedom and chose to stay with the tribe, they had full tribal membership. But any form of slavery is still a lack of complete freedom.

I don't remember their names now, but I read that some of the Cherokee tribal leaders said that they believed that their removal and loss of lands was a punishment by their spirit ancestors or the Creator for having allowed slavery. At the time of removal, White society gave Black slaves of the Cherokee an option to stay behind or go with the tribe. Most chose to go with the tribe since their only options were enslavement to Whites or enslavement to the Cherokee. Some chose to stay behind because they had family with White slave owners.

There are many African American of mixed ancestry with Native Americans. Some are due to enslavement among Native tribes like the Cherokee. But some mixed ancestry is due to escaped slaves going to live in tribes where they were adopted as members. That's especially true of the Seminole in Florida.

There were also many Native Americans enslaved by White colonists. In colonies and later, states, Native people captured in war were sold into slavery, often to the Caribbean sugar plantations. In the southern coastal colonies, White slave traders stirred up wars between tribes in order to gain captives to sell locally or to the Caribbean. That was why the Tuscarora tribe in the Carolinas moved north to join the Iroquois League. They were being forced into slavery wars. Tuscarora culture and language are Iroquoian so the League accepted them as their 6th tribal member.







yellowdogintexas

(23,694 posts)
55. I should have known this one. Mr YD is descended on his
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 09:55 PM
Jul 2023

mother's side from Chief Joe Vann, a very wealthy landowner Cherokee in the NE Alabama/NW Georgia area. His ancestral home is near Dalton Ga and has been restored; is now a state monument.

Chief Joe Vann definitely owned slaves; well documented in state records and family lore.

There is no doubt in my mind that there were other land owning Indian tribes with slaves.

lots of good stuff if you search Google. https://gastateparks.org/ChiefVannHouse By the way, the home is in Marjorie Three Toes district

usonian

(25,325 posts)
48. Everywhere.
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 04:22 PM
Jul 2023

Without looking anything up, nor the answers above.

Slavery is legal in prisons.

Otta be changed.

Am I right or am I right .... uh, wrong?

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