Maybe a dumb question but why are people lacing oxicodon and other drugs

[Maraya1969]

with Fentanyl since so many times the person ends up almost or completely dead. Does it make those drugs so much better?

I just got done reading about Robert DeNiro's grandson and it is so sad.

[Skittles]

1. I don't get it either

why kill your customers?

[captain queeg]

2. It's more potent and cheap. And apparently very available.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

3. They're not ... they're making fentanyl tablets that look like oxycodone tablets

Fentanyl is cheap shit plentiful synthetic garbage drugs ... and oxycodone is quality shit (but hard to actually get, which fetches top dollar).

Pretty much that simple. It's not 'lacing' it's 'substitution'.

And you never know how much fentanyl you're getting in some street-pressed tablet that looks like an Rx (known strength) tablet of oxycodone.

[Maraya1969]

5. Is the difference like cocaine and crack?

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. Mmmm ... more like Organic, Fresh, Piney Grade A Indoor Indica Bud grown in California

vs. dried out seedy, stemmy sativa, brought up from Mexico in the spare tire of someone's Jeep, that has been sprayed with toxic pesticides, that's such shit quality that you have to keep smoking and smoking to catch the tiniest buzz ... meanwhile poisoning yourself.

Oxycodone is the former, Fentanyl is the latter.

[brewens]

9. Yup. However they became addicted, many because of Perdue Pharma and the Sackler's, they still

need their shit. Cut them off from the oxy and they want fentanyl because it's more bang for the buck. Unfortunately, it gets into the hands of people that don't realize how dangerous it can be.

[walkingman]

4. I think it is two fold - as mentioned above, the manufacture of fake drugs laced and the

desire by many to get a better buzz....and then it kills them.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

8. This is common misunderstanding ... it's not even remotely a 'better buzz' vs good dope

Like OxyCodone, Heroin, Dilaudid, or even HydroCodone.

People use fentanyl because they're addicts, and fentanyl briefly relieves withdrawal symptoms, and it's the only choice many people have.

A fentanyl 'buzz' sucks, and the amount of respiratory depression (the part that kills you) is way high versus the euphoria it produces.

This leads to people re-dosing, trying to catch a decent buzz, or even just get out of withdrawals ... and that's what kills them.

Make no mistake, Fentanyl kills people because it SUCKS, not because it's 'a better buzz'. It's the exact opposite, in fact.

[walkingman]

12. OK, thanks for the info - I have no idea really just speculating. Good information.

[captain queeg]

13. This is true. I was prescribed both oxy and fentanyl years ago for my back

As mentioned I’d say the oxy produced a more pleasurable feeling. But as I remember the oxys were dosed in milligrams while the fentanyl was in micrograms. Of course the administration was also different with oxy coming in pill form and fentanyl was a patch for sustained action.

[DBoon]

7. didn't they used to put strychnine in LSD as an adulterant?

Isn't there a long history of using cheap toxic substances to adulterate illegal drugs?

[jmowreader]

18. Why would anyone step on LSD?

Owsley Stanley was the most prolific LSD manufacturer in the world. He made one pound of it in his life. This pound of acid was sufficient to make five million doses.

[Maraya1969]

21. I wonder what would happen if somehow they were to flood the streets with

LSD. Would opiate addicts take to it? I've never heard of someone dying from taking too much LSD but I am no expert on the subject.

I remember some country flooding China (?) with opiates before they attacked. And the people didn't fight back because they were too stoned.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

10. It's cheap and powerful

So dealers can cut the expensive stuff with cheap stuff. And they can cut it quite a bit due to how much more powerful fentanyl is. They don't care much on the deaths. There are always more addicts to sell to and once it gets out people od'd on their product, some of the most addicted(with higher tolerances due their addiction) will seek them put since they have the stronger stuff.

Or so I have been told by a person convicted of distribution and manufacturing.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

11. Fentanyl is not more powerful in terms of a high, it's just cheaper (or the only thing available)

I promise you, no opioid addict prefers fentanyl over any semi-synthetic opioid like oxy/hydro codone/morphone, or morphine, or heroin.

The dealers who'd be sought after would be the ones with actual good, non-synthetic dope. Fentanyl is NOT good dope. It's a shit buzz with an excessively high danger level.

Disabuse yourself of the notion that ANY opioid user prefers fentanyl. They don't. It's shit. People take it because it's all they can get/afford.

[DET]

14. Another Dumb Question

Is it possible for Fentanyl to make its way into legitimately prescribed drugs (i.e., those you get from a real pharmacy)? It seems like Fentanyl is ubiquitous now, and it just takes a tiny amount of Fentanyl to kill you, and I don’t know how rigorously drug components are screened.

[Skittles]

15. good question

[GenThePerservering]

16. Ugh

I'll stick to weed.

Getting stuff off the street is just a bad idea.

[GReedDiamond]

17. "Tranq Zombies" - Xylazine, an animal tranquilizer...

...often mixed into fentanyl, is turning people into "zombies" in Philadelphia, and spreading to other cities.

The injection sites on their bodies often become rotting, necrotic, open wounds.

EDIT: Changed to a different youtube video.

[captain queeg]

19. I'll throw a comment in here. Why don't they fentanyl for human executions?

Or some other narcotic? If it is guaranteed deadly at a high enough dose. Are they afraid a criminal might enjoy it? I’ve read of terrible botched executions. They always do some two stage administration. Actually I know they do that with the death with dignity assisted suicides as well.

[Maraya1969]

20. That's a good question. Maybe they can't correctly dose it - which shouldn't

matter as long as there is enough. Maybe they don't want the person to have any good feelings while they are killing them

[captain queeg]

22. If it's so cheap they ought to just have it in an IV and just keep titrating more and more

Maybe they can’t do that because of such tight controls.

[Elessar Zappa]

23. I've often wondered why they don't

execute people with a high dose opioid/benzodiazepine (such as an oxycodone/Xanax) combo. It would be much less cruel than the shitty drugs they use now.

[captain queeg]

24. Ive had to have a couple pets put down

Whatever they use is one shot. The pet just goes to sleep. I’ve often thought we treat animals better than people in some ways.