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DFW

(60,179 posts)
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:04 PM Oct 2023

Just found an image from 30 years ago that we had forgotten. What a different world

My wife was visiting, presumably with me and our two (at the time) very young daughters, at my parents' house in Virginia. They had bought the land and built the house in 1954-55, borrowed every cent their relatives would lend them, cost about $50,000 at the time, which they definitely did NOT have. Only dirt roads, no pavement, and maybe three families in the whole area. I still remember that when it rained heavily, my dad couldn't get his car out of the driveway onto the street, as he kept slipping down the short incline. That didn't last long, and fifteen years later, the roads were all paved, and the wilderness became "Washington suburbs."

When she turned 40, my wife decided she didn't want to wear her hair at "hippie length" any more. The photo, from around 1992-1993, is unfortunately not very sharp, but her true nature still shines through. What this woman saw/sees in me is still a mystery to me, but I didn't compain 49 years ago when I met her, and I'm not complaining now.

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Just found an image from 30 years ago that we had forgotten. What a different world (Original Post) DFW Oct 2023 OP
What a lucky find, my dear DFW! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2023 #1
Yes, but some animals are luckier than others, as Orwell might have put it DFW Oct 2023 #3
You definitely married up. Lochloosa Oct 2023 #2
Ya think? DFW Oct 2023 #5
I ve seen your pics. Lochloosa Oct 2023 #8
Lovely! Niagara Oct 2023 #4
Oh. I'm scared I'll just find out what I suspected all along DFW Oct 2023 #9
What a wonderful life. Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #6
We have a friend back in Dallas who knows her well DFW Oct 2023 #13
One can tell by the picture she lights up the room... Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #22
Very perceptive observation DFW Oct 2023 #37
Your wife is beautiful, DFW, and she found just as beautiful a person with you. highplainsdem Oct 2023 #7
Our daughters definitely got the right proportion of her DNA DFW Oct 2023 #10
Neat! SWBTATTReg Oct 2023 #11
So happy for you and family Duncanpup Oct 2023 #12
She is why I never play the lottery DFW Oct 2023 #14
Many wonderful congratulations Good Sir! GeoWilliam750 Oct 2023 #15
This is not horseshoes DFW Oct 2023 #39
Man, did you luck out or what! FuzzyRabbit Oct 2023 #16
You got it right the first time DFW Oct 2023 #42
Great Story! kooth Oct 2023 #17
Thanks!! DFW Oct 2023 #43
Beautiful orangecrush Oct 2023 #18
You're as big a blessing for her as she is for you. She probably cherishes even your "sour" moments NBachers Oct 2023 #19
Well, for starters, there's this. DFW Oct 2023 #26
What a tasteful person you are. Pehaps she is too. planetc Oct 2023 #20
Except for her questionable taste in men DFW Oct 2023 #44
She's beautiful. Joni Mitchell lookalike! N/t CousinIT Oct 2023 #21
I never saw Joni Mitchell in person DFW Oct 2023 #46
Great post. You two are very blessed to have each other. debm55 Oct 2023 #23
Thanks! I think I got the upper hand in the blessings department DFW Oct 2023 #36
Unless I miss my guess, Prairie_Seagull Oct 2023 #24
You missed your guess! DFW Oct 2023 #35
You are a rich man. May or may not be wealthy but definitely rich. Deuxcents Oct 2023 #25
We met when we were 22. DFW Oct 2023 #47
You are both lucky!! 617Blue Oct 2023 #27
$50,000 in 1954 in rural VA? marybourg Oct 2023 #28
That's what they said it cost for the land and the house DFW Oct 2023 #30
Well, I guess if it were an architect-designed house marybourg Oct 2023 #31
It was an architect-designed house DFW Oct 2023 #33
DFW is not wrong. I grew up in that same neighborhood. onenote Oct 2023 #34
OK. Who would have thought close in NYC was 1/3 the cost of rural VA. marybourg Oct 2023 #38
Waterfront homes in the neighborhood go from $1.5 - $2.5 million. onenote Oct 2023 #41
Interesting. My parents' house ( that they paid $15,000 for in '54) marybourg Oct 2023 #45
Northern Virginia is so built up now, the commute is worse than in 1960 DFW Oct 2023 #49
When our mom died, and none of the children could afford to keep the house, we had to sell it. DFW Oct 2023 #52
Clearly a very special and very expensive marybourg Oct 2023 #53
It was special for its design. DFW Oct 2023 #54
I'm a Virginian. I'm curious to know where the photo was taken? Martin68 Oct 2023 #29
Down at the lake at my parents' house DFW Oct 2023 #32
A bunch of senior government folks lived there over the years onenote Oct 2023 #40
We didn't know Clark or Finch DFW Oct 2023 #48
Ramsey Clark's son was a high school classmate of mine. onenote Oct 2023 #50
Wow, VERY small world! DFW Oct 2023 #51

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,619 posts)
1. What a lucky find, my dear DFW!
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:20 PM
Oct 2023

Your wife is lovely now, as she was then, inside and out! Her true nature shows completely.

You are both very lucky within your marriage.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
3. Yes, but some animals are luckier than others, as Orwell might have put it
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:26 PM
Oct 2023

She could have had any man she wanted. I most definitely could NOT have any woman I wanted. Why fate decided to grant my wish this one time, I have no idea, but when the Great Spirit decides, who am I to question?

Niagara

(11,849 posts)
4. Lovely!
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:26 PM
Oct 2023

You know, FDW, you always say you have no idea what your lovely wife saw/sees in you.



You should ask her sometime. I'm guessing that she would say that your handsome, intelligent, witty and charismatic with some good natured humor thrown in there.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
9. Oh. I'm scared I'll just find out what I suspected all along
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:29 PM
Oct 2023

She's nearsighted, and didn't realize what she was getting into until it was too late.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
13. We have a friend back in Dallas who knows her well
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:35 PM
Oct 2023

He is worth upwards of $70 million, but considers me the far richer man.

Like I said, he knows her well.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
22. One can tell by the picture she lights up the room...
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 08:38 PM
Oct 2023

The glow is from the inside out.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
37. Very perceptive observation
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:30 PM
Oct 2023

Especially from someone who has never met her. You are spot on.

highplainsdem

(62,134 posts)
7. Your wife is beautiful, DFW, and she found just as beautiful a person with you.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:28 PM
Oct 2023

It's no mystery that you've had all these happy years together, and that you've raised such amazing daughters.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
10. Our daughters definitely got the right proportion of her DNA
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:32 PM
Oct 2023

They had guys chasing after them before they even knew what hormones were!

Our elder German graddaughter, all of five, already got a love letter from some six or seven year old schoolmate. Luckily it was in Russian, so she couldn't read it, and nor could her parents. I translated it for them, but made them promise not to translate it until she was older.

GeoWilliam750

(2,555 posts)
15. Many wonderful congratulations Good Sir!
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:58 PM
Oct 2023

There are not many people who even have a chance at qualifying as the second luckiest person in the world!

Yet you came very close.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
42. You got it right the first time
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:45 PM
Oct 2023

I lucked out.

Several times, in fact. She has survived cancer twice already, and the second time, it was a form so deadly, it is known as “the murderer” in the clinic where she was operated on. It is called The Murderer because it is always silent and never gives a hint it’s there until it’s too late. She was that one in ten thousand whose diagnosis was a chance finding, and it was discovered in its initial stages. They did 84 (!!!!) biopsies during the operation, and the surgeon was amazed when they ALL came back negative. He said he thought that this one time, he had gotten to it in time, and beaten The Murderer. That was seven years ago, so up to now, he was right.

kooth

(237 posts)
17. Great Story!
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 06:26 PM
Oct 2023

I love stories like these! We've been married 33 years, so I understand what you are saying about your wife! Good luck and many happy, healthy years together!

NBachers

(19,438 posts)
19. You're as big a blessing for her as she is for you. She probably cherishes even your "sour" moments
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 07:24 PM
Oct 2023

Let's see some "Hippie length" pictures!

DFW

(60,179 posts)
26. Well, for starters, there's this.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 03:26 AM
Oct 2023

Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:06 AM - Edit history (1)



I'll have to search for some others

OK, here you go:
1981 at Logan Airport in Boston


And late 1982, with her parents in Germany, already expecting our first daughter the next year:

I don't have a lot from her "hippie" days

DFW

(60,179 posts)
44. Except for her questionable taste in men
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:52 PM
Oct 2023

I’d say hers surpasses mine by far.

I’d say the old phrase, “What’s a nice girl like her doing with a (fill in the blank) like him?” very much applies here.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
46. I never saw Joni Mitchell in person
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 12:05 AM
Oct 2023

So I’m not an impartial judge (in my wife’s favor, of course!).

DFW

(60,179 posts)
36. Thanks! I think I got the upper hand in the blessings department
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:26 PM
Oct 2023

But as long as she’s happy, I won’t be rocking the boat.

Fortune smiled on me when we first met. When I first laid eyes on her, I was so dumbstruck, I couldn’t think of a line to use to try to impress her. She, for her part, was relieved to finally meet a guy who didn’t try to use a fancy line on her. Just lucky in my nerdiness.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,688 posts)
24. Unless I miss my guess,
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:19 PM
Oct 2023

you are going to show her this thread and expect some additional, ahem dessert.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
35. You missed your guess!
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:19 PM
Oct 2023

Like many women whose beauty radiates from within, she avoids any kind of public display at all. In her job as a social worker, the thing she most dreaded was having to do the rare press conference for the agency she worked for. When we flew to Washington to meet Bill Clinton for the first time—my dad was president of the Gridiron Club that year—, the local Düsseldorf paper ran a feature article about it, and made her very uncomfortable. When another local paper saw it, they called up and asked for an interview and a photo, she said, “no way!”

She’s funny that way. She’ll gladly slave all day in the kitchen (she is a gourmet chef, along with everything else), and make eight different dishes for thirty people whom she is thrilled to entertain that evening, but the second the attention starts to come from outside her comfort zone, she’s no longer cool with it.

Deuxcents

(26,912 posts)
25. You are a rich man. May or may not be wealthy but definitely rich.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 12:38 AM
Oct 2023

I love to hear about long relationships where the couple are still in love with each other. A great story to end my day as I wish you continued health and happiness

DFW

(60,179 posts)
47. We met when we were 22.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 12:11 AM
Oct 2023

We couldn’t even imagine life together at 30, much less having 40 year old children. To her, at the time, America seemed as far away as the dark side of the moon. She never imagined that she’d ever see it.

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
28. $50,000 in 1954 in rural VA?
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:44 AM
Oct 2023

Either you got that wrong or it’s Maralago North. My parents bought a house in Queens, in NYC, in ‘54 for $15,000 and my first ( fairly large) house on Long Island in 1967 was $20,000.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
30. That's what they said it cost for the land and the house
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:35 PM
Oct 2023

It was a large (-ish) lakeshore piece of land, and the house design was revolutionary for the time. Even today, “the round house on the lake” is still known to people who live in the area.

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
31. Well, I guess if it were an architect-designed house
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:40 PM
Oct 2023

and they are very affluent people, it’s possible. But way off the charts for the middle-class. Anyway, lovely family.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
33. It was an architect-designed house
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:59 PM
Oct 2023

Considered very daring for the day. As a matter of fact, I just heard from someone else on DU who guessed the lake right away because they grew up there, too, and they said their house was built in a similar time frame, and cost a similar amount, so it can’t have been quite as extravagant as you make it out be. As I mentioned, my parents could afford nothing of the sort at the time, but borrowed money from parents and anyone else willing to help them out. No way they could have managed the place on my dad’s reporter’s salary alone. But they loved their creation, and both died in it, almost five decades later.

onenote

(46,139 posts)
34. DFW is not wrong. I grew up in that same neighborhood.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:02 PM
Oct 2023

I recognized the lake immediately. In 1953, my parents bought a non-waterfront lot for around $5000 and had a custom-designed house built a new four bedroom house on the lot in 1955. All told they spent around $45,000. My dad was a staff lawyer for a government agency at the time, making less than $8,000 a year.

In short, DFW's recollection is spot on. These were large wooded lots, in a community with a swimmable, fishable lake with four sandy beaches, located less than a half hour (depending on traffic) from downtown DC.

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
38. OK. Who would have thought close in NYC was 1/3 the cost of rural VA.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:31 PM
Oct 2023

But those houses sound like way out of the range of anything familiar to my circle. What are they worth today?

onenote

(46,139 posts)
41. Waterfront homes in the neighborhood go from $1.5 - $2.5 million.
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:40 PM
Oct 2023

Non-waterfronts, depending on whether they've been renovated and updated, go from $750,000 to $1.5 million.

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
45. Interesting. My parents' house ( that they paid $15,000 for in '54)
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:54 PM
Oct 2023

is now going for about $1 million. Very middle class house. Not even an easy commute; requires a bus and subway. But my father, a garment worker, was able to afford it and afford to furnish it in the 1950’s.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
49. Northern Virginia is so built up now, the commute is worse than in 1960
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 12:30 AM
Oct 2023

Traffic into DC is clogged in the morning, and it’s a battle even to get to one of the Metro stops (and find a parking space!).

I remember the wide open spaces and the farms spread along the two lane roads. That is all gone, now. Suburban sprawl, creeping ever farther south.

“Been away so long I hardly knew the place….”

DFW

(60,179 posts)
52. When our mom died, and none of the children could afford to keep the house, we had to sell it.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 05:24 PM
Oct 2023

The inheritance taxes, property taxes, and necessary repairs for a 50 year old house were just too much for me to manage, and my wife was dead set against trying to manage two houses, even if I could figure out the financing. It sold for about $1 million, as I recall. That is far less than it would be worth today, but that was over 20 years ago, and I'm sure that whoever bought it had to put some serious money into modernizing it. I have no knowledge whatsoever of the New York or Long Island situation, then or now, apparently far less than your insight into the northern Virginia situation of the time, so I have no basis for comparison.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
54. It was special for its design.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 08:39 AM
Oct 2023

The other poster who grew up there checked on its assessed value today, and found it to be $1.9 million, or the price of a modest house at best in the Boston area. Hardly the high end of the spectrum. I don't get the money obsession. For the area, at the time, it was average. Very few people at the time wanted to live THAT far out in the "wilderness."

As a Washington-based journalist, my father took on a burdensome commute in the beginning. My parents took on a fair amount of personal debt, too, but they managed it. They saw a prospectus, had their dream, went for it, surmounted the obstacles, and made it happen. Kudos to them. It got to be far more desirable when more families moved in and the roads finally got paved.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
32. Down at the lake at my parents' house
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:45 PM
Oct 2023

It was on a man-made (ca. 1913) lake called lake Barcroft in Fairfax County, Virginia. It meant a punishing commute for my dad, especially in the early days, before the roads were paved, but they wanted to live there. His job was in Washington, mostly at 14th and F, but often also on Capitol Hill, the White House, and the Canadian Embassy. After the roads got paved, a lot of Congresscritters used to come out for the day. Senator Frank Church of Idaho was an especially frequent visitor, though I never really knew why. I just remember him because he was at the house so much.

onenote

(46,139 posts)
40. A bunch of senior government folks lived there over the years
Wed Oct 18, 2023, 11:32 PM
Oct 2023

Ramsey Clark, Robert Finch, Bob Dole to name a few.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
48. We didn't know Clark or Finch
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 12:22 AM
Oct 2023

But my dad knew Bob Dole well enough to be on a first name basis with him. Pierre Salinger, JFK’s press secretary, lived close by, and even got JFK to autograph a photo for me for my 11th birthday. Lucky me, as this was 1963.

onenote

(46,139 posts)
50. Ramsey Clark's son was a high school classmate of mine.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 09:51 AM
Oct 2023

They lived on the other side of the lake.

My older brother was in school with Salinger's son. And I'm friends with Dole's daughter.

Small world.

DFW

(60,179 posts)
51. Wow, VERY small world!
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 05:13 PM
Oct 2023

I'm sure we must have run into lots of people that we should have known but didn't. As the senior reporter from the state of New York in DC, my dad knew practically EVERYBODY, and since his mom had been a longtime friend of HHH, she knew the whole "Minnesota Democratic Mafia," and thus, so did we. She had worked for Fiorello LaGuardia as his labor liason, but he fired her for being too friendly with labor, and not friendly enough with him! LaGuardia was a Republican, it should be noted, so the conflict was already pre-programmed. My dad's position also meant he was later invited to the July 4th party the Canadian Ambassador held for his DC friends every year on the roof of the Canadian Embassy downtown. Second best view of the fireworks except for the White House balcony. My dad was pointing out people right and left. "There goes the director of the FBI." Oh. OK. Just another guy in shorts with a hamburger and salad on his paper plate as far as I could tell. I heard one guy with a strong Dutch accent one time, and spoke to him in what was then my rudimentary Dutch. He was amazed to find an American who even recognized his accent, much less spoke some of the language. The guy he was talking to was lost with the Dutch, and said, hey can't we speak something I can understand? I said, sure, name it. He said how about Russian? He turned out to be an under-secretary of Defense for counter-imtelligence (or some such). I said I could hande Russian, but I didn't know about our Dutch friend (who turned out to be the Ambassador from the Netherlands). He said, Russian? No sweat. He had been their ambassador to Russia before he was posted to the USA.

There is a reason they call Washington, DC the biggest small town in the world.

My dad used to take us (his kids) up to the Senate Press Gallery in the Capitol in the late 50s and early 60s. At first, I couldn't figure out why all my friends were named Billy and Jimmy and all his friends were named "Senator." But I was hanging out with legends like Javits, Humphrey, Dirksen, LBJ, JFK, and a lot of etc. and had no earthly clue of the history that was happening in front of my eyes. I do still remember that Dirksen was entertaining as hell ("The Wizard of Ooze" ), and smoked like a chimney. Javits and Church came out to our house a lot, so I saw them more frequently. I just wish my political sophistication had been up to appreciating the conversation, but at age 8 or 10, it just went right by me.

In 6th grade, one of my recess playmates was, of all people, Bobby Kenndy, Jr. Just goes to show you that all the fame. money and privilege doesn't prevent you from becoming a nut case later on.

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