To you, what is the worst junk food using taste, texture, look and smell as the basis for judging as the worst , Mine

[debm55]

are Twinkies

[LoisB]

1. Cheese Puffs

I think that's what they are called. Those fat Cheeto things.

[debm55]

3. Agree, LoiseB, and the leave that orange stuff all over your fingers. TY

[EYESORE 9001]

24. A personal weakness of mine

I know they’re atrocious, but I’ve overindulged on those little greaseballs too many times to count. I’m in recovery in a way.

[LoisB]

29. That's ok. I am thinking about getting help to get off Lay's potato chips. nt

[EYESORE 9001]

33. Salt and vinegar or cracked pepper ONG

Meanwhile, perhaps this can function as aversion therapy

[debm55]

45. That is gross.

[Probatim]

55. It's almost 11:00 PM and I'm giggling like an idiot.

I had a fairly long weekend - woke up Saturday morning to a dying hot water tank in the basement.

My son and my uncle convinced me to let them help me install the new one. We had it in the house by 1:30 today. Four hours and two more trips to the hardware store and it was installed. Turned the water on and one of the fittings leaked.

Sent the son to get more fittings while my uncle and I cut 18" of pipe from the hot and cold sides - we're starting over. Another hour and we're done (my uncle is very helpful buy slows things considerably).

I planned to make pizza today and had everything ready to go - so I cooked the five balls of dough that were in the fridge. Sent both of them home with thanks and leftover pizza.

And Pepperoni Dog Farts has me giggling like a 6 year old who heard a fart in church.

[Thunderbeast]

64. PEX and Sharkbites pay for themselves...

...in reduced trips to the hardware store.

[debm55]

146. TY Thunderbeast I agree/

[LoisB]

59. LOL! No, just the plain old Classic Chips.

[debm55]

44. Hi, my name is LoisB and I am addicted to Lay's potato chips. ty

[LoisB]

60. Step 1

[debm55]

85. Hahahahahahhaha good luck LoisB

[debm55]

43. Hi, my name is EYESORE 9001 and I am addicted to cheese balls.

[EYESORE 9001]

70. I'm up to step 9 on that

I’m making amends by wiping down anything I’ve ever touched with Cheeto-caked fingers.

[debm55]

86. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA/ I should have put Lays chips for you.

[EYESORE 9001]

91. I'll take a step 9 chip instead

Recovery, yunno.

[KS Toronado]

54. In the same boat with you

[MontanaMama]

104. The guys in my family give me a bag of Cheetos (puffs not crunchy)

every year in my stocking. It’s SO silly but I love those things. I wait months to open the bag until they can’t stand it any more and they open it in a frenzy. I eat a handful or two and they plow through the rest. I’m satisfied until the next Christmas.

[debm55]

105. We buy the crunchy here, Gut I don,'t eat either

[consider_this]

52. Yes, and Doritos are in the same camp for me...

with that nasty fake shite glomped all over the thang. NOPE!

[debm55]

106. Agree

[CrispyQ]

118. I taught my dog to sit, lie, & stay one afternoon, with the help from a bag of Cheetos. -nt

[debm55]

123. OMG that is funny. Was his pooh orange?

[CrispyQ]

132. Hubs has poo patrol, not me.

[debm55]

147. Lucky you.HAHAHHAAHHAH

[brush]

178. Yep, you nailed it. Those orange horrors are the epitome of junk food.

I hate myself when I eat them.

[LoisB]

182. Careful, we may have to take you to junk-food rehab with us.

[Tyche]

2. Slim Jims

Nasty things. My boys begged for them as teenagers (I made them beef jerky).

[debm55]

4. Same here, I always wondered what exactly they were made of. Teen age boys love them. Ty

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[TexasBushwhacker]

51. Trucker food

Something they could gnaw on while they were driving.

[debm55]

87. They look like dog food sticks--puperoni

[EYESORE 9001]

26. Really awful

I would sooner eat my shoelaces than a Slim Jim.

[debm55]

88. But teen like them.

[EYESORE 9001]

90. There's no accounting for taste

[ificandream]

95. Never really got into them, but I loved the commercials with Macho Man Randy Savage.

Miss that guy.

[debm55]

97. yuk

[50 Shades Of Blue]

5. I agree, Twinkies are awful! But I'll take them over any kind of dark chocolate candy (especially if it

has yucky hazelnuts in it).

[debm55]

7. I like milk chocolate with hazenuts. Don't like Dark Chocolate anthing.

[EYESORE 9001]

10. I crave teh dark

If I indulge, which is infrequently, I go for the darkest chocolate I can find. Chocolate after supper plays hob with my belly, especially after I lie down at night. As a kid, I went for the semisweet chocolate pieces instead of the sweeter milk chocolate, but they’d do in a pinch.

[debm55]

12. I crave the milk.chocolate.

[EYESORE 9001]

21. At least

we’d never steal each other’s candy. Unless it’s a Reese’s peanut butter cup or something like that.

[debm55]

89. Those I like and I will fight you for them

[EYESORE 9001]

6. This may not qualify as junk food, but I sure do consider it as such

Potted meat products. Vienna sausages. Canned deviled ham, with which I had a brief flirtation in my yoot. Each of which I find utterly repulsive now. I watch one of my direct reports every workday at lunchtime devour a can on potted meat on saltines. This guy has peripheral artery disease and could be facing loss of at least one leg. It violates my personal no engagement policy, however, so I hold my tongue. And my nose when I’m close enough to that hideous offal.

[debm55]

9. EYESORE 9001, I remember the Red Devil canned deviled ham. I opened it to place on my crackers. It had a ghastly look

and the smell was terrible. I didn't even want to give to my cat. Threw it out. I thought it was spoiled. Ty

[Tyche]

20. My boys loved those too!

Both Vienna sausage and deviled ham. We had to make emergency packs at the beginning of the school year and they insisted they were included so they could eat them in June.

[LudwigPastorius]

41. Yeah, my brother and I used to get deviled ham on white bread sandwiches sometimes.

I'd rather have had PB&J, but you ate what mom served, or you didn't eat.

[debm55]

47. I have made my own with left over ham. But the Red Devil canned ham was awful. You can buy at the deli section of the

food store.

[LudwigPastorius]

58. I guess my mom thought we really liked it, because at one point, she...

bought a crank grinder and ran leftovers through it to make homemade deviled ham.



She may not have been a good cook, but she was thrifty.

[EYESORE 9001]

71. Now that's good eatin'

The homemade deviled ham is sublime. I add a teaspoon of horseradish just for meanness.

[debm55]

92. There are actually two kinds to make---deviled ham amd ham spreat. Pme is made with ham and the othe other with

bologna Both are crap.

[EYESORE 9001]

94. I've had bologna salad too

I’d much rather have ham instead.

[debm55]

96. Agree

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

167. Underwood Deviled Ham.

They had a chicken spread, also. I ate it occasionally growing up in the 1970s but I haven’t bought it in

[debm55]

168. TY Prof. Toru Tanaka. Didn't know about the chicken spread. I don't think I would like it.

[yellowdogintexas]

8. Chicharrones (fried pork skins)

Pork skins, pork rinds, chicharrones - no matter what you call them, they are yucky

They are not strictly Mexican, they were popular back in Kentucky in the 1950s.

[debm55]

11. yellowdogintexas ,Ty, are there any bit of pork in them?

[EYESORE 9001]

18. It's pork skin and nothing else but salt and/or seasonings

Maybe preservatives. My most recent round of ciccarones or pork skins was my last low carb venture. Gave them up again when I found a pig hair that hadn’t been scalded away. On edit: I’m also finished with the low carb nonsense.

[EYESORE 9001]

14. In my redneck yoot, I was treated to cracklins

Hog skin and underlying tissue is flayed from the carcass in long strips and tossed into a vat of ferociously boiling lard. After a few minutes, the strips were laid out for salting with a heavy hand. Some sections were so hard that I didn’t risk breaking teeth. There was also the possibility of getting a stiff, stray hog bristle that didn’t get removed from the earlier scalding.

[debm55]

25. Cracklins. sounds like the pig ears I give Dolly dog. And people eat that as a snack.? TY

[EYESORE 9001]

28. It's not ears

Skin flayed from the back, sides, and belly, long before reaching anything resembling meat, like the bacon.

[yellowdogintexas]

194. thank you for explaining cracklin's. I used to watch the neighbor's hired hand

stir up the lard pot and see the little cracklin's pop up to the top. I was always given a bag ful to take home for my mom to make cracklin' cornbread.
Which you had to be careful eating or you would crack a tooth. I would pick them out and test them before I ate one. They did give the cornbread a nice flavor.

Chicharrones are thin and puffy with bubbles. Cracklin's look like little rocks

[LudwigPastorius]

61. In my book,...

pork rinds are just one step away from eating a deep fried football.

[debm55]

98. Sounds nasty,

[CommonHumanity]

153. Disgusting

I about barf every time my employee opens them in the car. How could anyone eat that? But, as another poster said-there's no accounting for taste.

The same aforementioned employee can't believe I can eat a whole pint of Hagan Daz or gelato. HELLO....who one earth wouldn't want to eat the whole pint?! I do attempt restraint, more for the saturated fat and sugar than for the calories. I do occasionally succeed.

[debm55]

155. Ty CommonHumanity.

[Angleae]

13. Licorice (the black stuff)

[EYESORE 9001]

15. I can relate

I’ve had a love/hate relationship with anise since childhood, giving it every opportunity to prove pleasing to my palate. Did the same with horehound candy. They wound up on my hate/hate list.

[debm55]

22. Agree. I like anise slightly mixrd in cookie dough. I don't think I ever had horehound candy. TY

[debm55]

17. I so agree. , Angleae. The taste is yuk. I like the cherry better. TY Angleae

[blm]

30. "Licorice is the liver of candies"

Quote from Michael O’Donoghue.

[spooky3]

37. Good one! Nt

[debm55]

101. agree

[nocoincidences]

80. I love a particular form of licorice

which only comes in a licorice mix.I have to go to the market and use a plastic bag over my hand to pick them out of the mix!!

The other thing to know about licorice is if you eat it regularly your pooh turns green. We had an epidemic of green pooh at one of my jobs and we tracked it to who ate the licorice!!

[debm55]

102. learn somesthing new everyday in the 'lounge

[Jilly_in_VA]

126. Smith Bros. licorice cough drops

Now that is NASTY! I was given some once as a small child and they made me barf. Even the memory makes me nauseous to this day. No thank you very much!

[debm55]

148. Agree Jilly. I liked the Smith Brothers cherry cough drops. though I a always considered them candy and did nothing for

my cough.

[Jilly_in_VA]

175. I preferred Luden's

Any flavor, but especially the honey-lemon ones. They actually worked.

[debm55]

177. Me too the honey lemon was better for a cough and didn't taste like candy. TY

[nolabear]

191. Amen! Licorice is the devil's dental floss!

[debm55]

193. HAHAHAHAHA so true isn't TY

[True Dough]

16. Definitely has to be

Brussels sprouts! Yuck! That's really junk food because it belongs in with the junk!

[debm55]

19. HAHAHAHAHAH. you are funny True Dough; I only ate once and my urine stunk the next day. Ty

[True Dough]

23. Asparagus will do that too

Make your urine smell to the high heavens! But you know what doesn't do that? A Snickers!

[debm55]

31. I agree with the asparagus. Mother always made for Easter dinner. And the urine smells was terrible. You are right

though, snickers or Kit Kats don't do that.Ty

[EYESORE 9001]

93. Here's a helpful hint

Always add some olive oil to the pan, so the whole mess will slide straight into the garbage when you dump it.

Seriously, I like Brussels sprouts. Those around wish I didn’t 💨

[debm55]

110. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH TY EYESORE 9001

[spooky3]

27. Circus peanuts nt

[debm55]

32. Agree,agree agree. those nasty things fit all the basis-smell. color. taste. Ty spooky 3

[spooky3]

35. I'd rather eat 50 Brussels sprouts than 1 circus peanut :-) nt

[debm55]

48. Why do you hate circus peanuts do much?

[spooky3]

66. Probably ate too many of them one Halloween in my childhood :-) nt

[debm55]

108. TY spooky3

[Mopar151]

50. My friend loved them

With a can of TAB!

[LudwigPastorius]

63. You can't convince me that circus peanuts aren't really clown fingers.

[spooky3]

67. lol

[debm55]

109. HAHAHAHAHA Aren't they marshmallows?

[LudwigPastorius]

183. Sure,...

that's what they tell people they are.

*shudder*

[debm55]

188. Oh you.

[Diamond_Dog]

79. Yes, circus peanuts! Just awful. My dad liked them.

Looked and smelled like eating an eraser.

[debm55]

111. That's funny Diamond_Dog.

[yellowdogintexas]

195. oh those things are so gross; also candy corn nt

[spooky3]

197. Hard to choose which is worse. Nt

[MOMFUDSKI]

34. Papaya.

Tried one bite. Not good

[spooky3]

36. Oh gosh, you must have gotten a bad one. I love them. Nt

[MOMFUDSKI]

38. What does a good one

taste like? This was dry and tasteless

[spooky3]

40. Sweet, a little like cantaloupe nt

[MOMFUDSKI]

46. OK

I got a bad one.

[debm55]

149. I think you did because they are great. TY MOMFUDSKI

[EYESORE 9001]

100. I prefer them when they're green

Shredded like Cole slaw with peanut sauce 🤤
Delicious as an accompaniment to Thai food. Good for the digestion too. I took a small tour bus in Hawaii (Oahu) and one of the elderly people was getting a bit nauseous from the jostling. Bus driver pulled over, went into what looked like jungle growth and emerged with a green papaya. He cut off a piece, gave it to the sickly passenger, who ate it and felt better within a minute. Loaded with enzymes that aid digestion.

[TygrBright]

39. Gummie anything. Bleah... plus the cost of the dental work. n/t

[debm55]

150. Agree TygrBright. I hate them and the fact the get stuck in your teeth --double yuk

[Zambero]

42. Pepperoni sticks

A sodium, nitrite, and grease feast.

[debm55]

151. Agree Zambero. Nasty

[Mr.Bill]

49. Any candy with coconut.

Coconut is the opposite of candy.

[debm55]

154. TY Mr.Bill, I don"t ; like roasted coconuts. But I do like Snowballs.

[Mr.Bill]

163. Generally I don't like coconut,

but there is a restaurant we go to that makes really good coconut shrimp and I like that.

[debm55]

165. TY Mr.Bill, coconut shrimp shrimp is great.

[DBoon]

53. anything served at McDonalds

[debm55]

157. Agree DBoon TY

[LudwigPastorius]

56. Aerosol cheese.

AKA 'Snack Mate', 'Easy Cheese', 'Cheese Wow!', or 'Go Cheese!'

It has the consistency of what they remove during liposuction.

[debm55]

158. TY LudwigPastorius. when I was a kid, we would squirt on our hot dogs. Thinking back yuk.

[LudwigPastorius]

184. Glad you saw the light!

Cheese in a spray can is an abomination of everything holy and pure.

[debm55]

189. I know , but it was the thing back then.

[IA8IT]

57. Twinkies

[debm55]

159. Agree, IA8IT. Nasty

[MontanaFarmer]

62. Funyuns.

Just awful. God awful garish in your face junk. Junk food modeled after junk food, except the taste and texture is worse.

[debm55]

145. Agree MontanaFarmer/ They are terrible.

[Thunderbeast]

65. Hostess Snowballs

[spooky3]

68. Oh no, I loved those. I think I'm the only one who did. Nt

[doc03]

81. My favorite snack cakes are Snowballs. A local bakery had

Banana flips, I loved those, they were like a cake taco with banana cream filling, they also had chocolate flips. That company got out of the pastry business.

[debm55]

82. I liked Hostess Snowballs. They came in Pink for Valentines Day amd Green for St.Patricks Day.Yummy

[debm55]

144. Those I liked

[Stuart G]

69. Two words I have never seen at Democratic Underground........"Circus Peanuts"

[debm55]

113. Stuart G, I double dog dare you to taste one and you will know what we are talking about.

[Chainfire]

72. The worst for me lately was some "four cheese" snack crackers.

I thought that they tasted like puke, but didn't mention it. Two days later, my wife said that she didn't care for the crackers because she thought that they tasted like puke...

[debm55]

143. Agree Chainfire, they are nasty.

[parkia00]

73. Cinema Popcorn

with the fake liquid butter patrons squirt all over it. The same fake butter substance that is found in cheap commercial sponge butter cake. I do not understand how so many people can eat that.

[Niagara]

75. I rec'ed your reply!

I can't stand the smell of the buttered
popcorn at the movie theater, to me it smells like rancid body odor.

[debm55]

119. Both or just one?

[Niagara]

176. I use to eat plain popcorn, Debbie. I just can't the smell of buttered popcorn at the movie theater.

However, I can't afford a high carbohydrate diet so I no longer consume plain popcorn.

[debm55]

180. TY the butter smell is nasty

[ificandream]

99. Worked briefly at a theater and our popcorn was pretty good.

Yeah, the "butter" stuff was lousy. However, we used to use a special oil and a huge machine to pop that stuff in. Oh, and another reason I liked it ... I met my wife there.

[debm55]

142. Agree parkia00. The whole movie cinema experience was terrible. Especially the fake butter

[Niagara]

74. The garbage plate, sometimes called trash plate.

It's a popular dish served in Rochester, NY and most likely served in other parts of the U.S with a different name.



Generally the bottom layer is french fries, tater tots, waffle fries or some sort of fried potato.

The potato is then has a topping of cheeseburger or hamburger meat.

The next toppings could be macaroni salad, mac and cheese, coleslaw, some sort of bean dish, or possibly all these combinations put together.

Then, there's sliced generally white or red hot dogs.

It depends on the restaurant and all the combinations and the name of the dish could be different.

I'm not at home so I currently can't post any images of this dish. I'm not certain if anyone could handle the image anyway. 😜

[debm55]

140. Niagara, just reading about it makes me sick.

[Freddie]

76. Sour patch kids and other sour candy

My kids and grandkids love these, yuck.
Slim Jims - same. My 5 yo granddaughter begs for the long ones at the grocery checkout. Remind me of dog treats.

[debm55]

137. Agree with both--the sour candy and the slim jims. And they do look like dog treats. Ty Freedie

[Alpeduez21]

77. Zingers

They tried to compete with other cakey sweet treats and just were bland

[debm55]

121. Agree they were crap.

[CMYK]

78. Does anyone remember

Space Food Sticks ?

To use the criteria posted, these were the worst chemical smelling, turd shaped, mealy things ever put on the market.

[debm55]

83. TY CMYK, when did they come out? They sound horrible.

[CMYK]

169. 1960's

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Food_Sticks

[debm55]

170. Ty

[doc03]

84. Would Hormel Potted Meat Product qualify as junk food or just plain

garbage?

[debm55]

120. Both

[justaprogressive]

103. McDonalds

of course it's not really food so I'm not sure it qualifies...

[debm55]

112. Very True, justaprogressive.

[TlalocW]

107. Funnel cakes

Used to be when I was younger just the thought of them would make me dry heave

[debm55]

114. Oh I still like them.

[yellowdogintexas]

196. funnel cakes are a staple of all street fairs, carnivals and other such events

We got red velvet ones at the Ft Worth Stock Show.

[debm55]

115. Awesome Blossoms.----those fried onion flowers. Used to like them,

[AllaN01Bear]

116. cherrios , i cant stand the smell. reises pecies .

[debm55]

117. Ty you AllaN01Bear. Agree. I only eat rice Chex.

[malthaussen]

122. Pringles.

One look and I was gone.

-- Mal

[debm55]

125. TY Mal, they are very salty and just don;t taste right.

[Ocelot II]

124. Candy corn and Tootsie Rolls.

My most unfavorite Halloween candies.

Although if you are so inclined, you can make Cat Litter Cake with Tootsie Rolls as the most important ingredient - a Halloween favorite. Personally, I find Tootsie Rolls only slightly less disgusting than what they are simulating.



The recipe: https://www.tablespoon.com/recipes/kitty-litter-cake/5ec84216-a834-4de8-b3d7-006caacf9311

[debm55]

129. Ty Ocelot II I made that for school. Vanialla pudding and crushed vanilla cookies. The tootsies really look like cat

pooh/ There is is another one called mud cake---chocolate pudding, Crunched Oreos and gummy worms/ The kids loved both.

[Jilly_in_VA]

130. Rice Krispies Treats

God, I cannot STAND those things! And I thought I was the only person in the world until I met my husband.

[debm55]

134. TY Hated them two. Never went to homes that gave them out for Halloween. There was also a rice puff ball that I hated

[Ocelot II]

135. Sweetened Styrofoam. Ick.

[Freddie]

152. If you get any Tootsie Rolls send them to me

Love them, especially if fresh. One time a stale one earned me a trip to the dentist.

[Ocelot II]

171. I could send you some cat poo, since I can't easily tell the difference,

except that Tootsie Rolls are gummier and less aromatic. But obviously a lot of people must like the damn things since they keep selling them. Bon appétit.

[debm55]

173. They do look like cat poo as it has the lines.

[EverHopeful]

127. Sorry if I marked something as violating a rule

Cat head bumped phone and I apparently touched something and got a menu asking what rule I thought was being broken. Sorry.

[debm55]

133. I didn't see you breal a rule. You can post again. It could have been the cat hitting the wrong button.

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I didn't hit alert on anything you .post. Sorry. it happened to you. Post it again.

[EverHopeful]

139. I blame the cat

That's my story and I'm sticking to it :-D

[debm55]

160. You can add your original post.

[EverHopeful]

192. Thanks but wasn't trying to post

Just enjoying the responses when I grabbed the phone wrong.

[yellowdogintexas]

198. Rule #1 You can always blame the cat. nt

[LakeArenal]

128. Peeps is my junk food 🥴

Okra is my worst texture. Or cow tongue.

Edit to add. Circus peanuts are very like Peeps.

[debm55]

131. I like peeps .but just for Easter.

[IA8IT]

186. My wife liked Peeps roasted over fire and called them Peeps Brulee

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[debm55]

187. TY that is funny/

[getagrip_already]

136. By definition, people actually like it...

Which is why junk food exists. It's tasty, it's just bad for you.

My entry is rest stop hot dogs. The ones that look like they have been turning for weeks.

I've never actually eaten one. I'm not that brave (or desperate, or high).

But yuck.

[debm55]

138. LMAO, getagrip_already they more then likely have been turning for weeks. TY

[CanonRay]

141. Candy corn

[debm55]

161. I agree. Really dislike them. TY CanonRay.

[CommonHumanity]

156. Based on smell alone

Based on smell alone, I would never go near two items and about barf when I have to smell them because some cretin eats them in my presence (ignore me being judgmental-just releasing the accumulated trauma of having these items in my smellscape). They are:

Canned corned beef hash and packaged pork rinds. YUCK!

[debm55]

164. Agree with the smell factor. Mine is cabbage. My son bought pork rinds and I ran out of the Kitchen. another is coffee.

The smell of coffee makes me sick. That's why I drink tea.

[WestMichRad]

162. Combos

To me, they taste like what I imagine blocks of baked bulk chemicals chipped out of a large vat must taste like.

Because that’s what they are!
Blech!

[debm55]

166. TY and I agree. Combos are a terrible snack/

[appleannie1]

172. Texture is what gets me gagging.

And it doesn't have to be junk food either. I like the taste of scallops but the texture triggers my gag reflex. Same goes for prime rib. Give me a good steak any day.
In the realm of junk food, it would have to be Chicken McNuggets. And their McRib sandwiches. Even my dogs would not eat Mc Nuggets.

[debm55]

174. Agree thank you appleannie1

[LudwigPastorius]

185. "Even my dogs would not eat Mc Nuggets."

"Mechanically Separated Chicken"

ughh...that sounds so...violent...

[debm55]

190. You must have a picky dog. Sometimes I have to stop Dolly from eating poo from people who don't bag it. I bag Dolly's

poo. Also maybe your dog wanted a different dipping sauce.

[brush]

179. Gummie Bears. You just know they're unhealthy.

[debm55]

181. Ty and they stick in your teeth

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[GoodRaisin]

199. Anything that leaves my fingers greasy.

I spear my french fries with a fork. Chips, I turn the bag up to guide them into my mouth. Butter popcorn at the movie means getting up to go wash my hands.

[debm55]

200. Agree with you

[DUgosh]

201. Licorice

Yuck

[debm55]

202. I agree with the black licorice but I do like cherry. TY

[Chakaconcarne]

203. Cheese Whiz

[debm55]

204. Agree, hate that stuff.