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Baitball Blogger

(52,681 posts)
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 12:46 PM Mar 2024

The origin of phrases.

Do you ever wonder why some phrases have come about? I sometimes get curious and look these things up and I am quite surprised that some of them have managed to last as long as they have.

Today I looked up the origin of hands-down. It means easily, without effort. I posted the point of origination below so that those who want to venture a guess can give it a try.
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The origin of the idiom “hands down” is found in horse racing history and dates back to the middle of the 19th century. When a horse was so far ahead of the rest that a win was assured, the jockey would loosen his grip on the reins and drop his hands as he and his horse approached the finish line.

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The origin of phrases. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Mar 2024 OP
Trump takes credit for "prime the pump"... and some others. keithbvadu2 Mar 2024 #1
I love language derivations !!!! Karadeniz Mar 2024 #2
Aviation has a couple of terms incorrectly labeled as sexist av8rdave Mar 2024 #3
It's fun to bring up "the whole nine yards," because there are so many origin stories av8rdave Mar 2024 #4
My definition of "whole nine yards" bello Mar 2024 #5
Thanks! av8rdave Mar 2024 #6

av8rdave

(10,662 posts)
3. Aviation has a couple of terms incorrectly labeled as sexist
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 03:59 PM
Mar 2024

Cockpit: This has its origins in early sea warfare. One of the early defensive measures designed into combat ships was an armor lined well (or pit) for the coxswain to drop into when the ammo started flying. Loss of the coxswain meant loss of the ship’s maneuverability.

“Balls to the wall:” In the reciprocating engine days, each engine had three controls - the propeller pitch, the fuel/air mixture and the throttles, whose levers typically had ball shaped knobs on the tops of them. Maximum power was achieved by pushing the throttles as far towards the firewall (right behind the instrument panel) as possible.

av8rdave

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4. It's fun to bring up "the whole nine yards," because there are so many origin stories
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 04:02 PM
Mar 2024

The two I have heard are that it takes nine yards of wool to make a proper kilt (I really like that one), and supposedly the WWII bomber machine gun ammo belts were 9 yards long. When you really wanted to go after the enemy (when would you not?) you would give him the whole nine yards.

I’ve heard several other origins, all of which I’ve forgotten.

bello

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5. My definition of "whole nine yards"
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 05:35 PM
Mar 2024

Back in the days before cement ready mix trucks had additional tag axles added, a typical ready mix truck with tandem duals could physically haul nine cubic yards of ready mix, but couldn’t legally carry that much because one or more axles would be over weight, they would carry about seven or seven and a half cubic yards to be legal.

At the end of the day, if seven yards would not be enough to finish the job, but nine yards would be enough, the driver might be instructed to make the next trip “ the whole nine yards”. This would risk being stopped for over weight, but would save a trip.

av8rdave

(10,662 posts)
6. Thanks!
Mon Mar 11, 2024, 06:14 PM
Mar 2024

That’s one of the versions I heard but forgot. It might just make the most sense.

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