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TomSlick

(13,018 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:12 PM Sep 2024

Is it OK to fire a staff member over politics?

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Emile (a host of the The DU Lounge forum).

I asked my assistant if she was going to watch the debate. She allowed that she doesn't like either candidate and that VP Harris would just be another Biden. (She couldn't tell me what she has against Biden.) She just can't decide whether to vote for a felon or a prosecutor. She is convinced the economy is in the toilet and that Trump will fix it - history to the contrary notwithstanding. (I've tried in the past to explain tariffs to her without success.)

I can't figure how she remembers to breath. She is surely too damned stupid to work in a law office.

However, I don't like seeing Democrats fired for their politics and there is the Golden Rule to consider. But the stupid - it burns!

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Is it OK to fire a staff member over politics? (Original Post) TomSlick Sep 2024 OP
Hi Tom SheltieLover Sep 2024 #1
Think of her as a candidate for conversion jmbar2 Sep 2024 #2
Seriously, set expectations and if they met them, keep them...if not? Moostache Sep 2024 #3
I need the night to calm. TomSlick Sep 2024 #6
Work is work. If they do their job. bullimiami Sep 2024 #4
Agreed 👍 anciano Sep 2024 #8
If you work in a law office agalisgv Sep 2024 #5
Arkansas is a "right to work" state. TomSlick Sep 2024 #7
RTW has nothing to do with it MichMan Sep 2024 #16
If you asked her you should have been prepared for her answer. lpbk2713 Sep 2024 #9
Good point. TomSlick Sep 2024 #10
Fair enough. lpbk2713 Sep 2024 #11
If this person is your employee, why are you baiting her? LearnedHand Sep 2024 #12
I don't think I baited her. TomSlick Sep 2024 #13
I'm imagining being that woman LearnedHand Sep 2024 #14
Maybe she was afraid to express a preference Ocelot II Sep 2024 #15
This is the best answer. Especially in this high tension, polarized political environment. Fla Dem Sep 2024 #17
After an alert and discussion with the hosts, locking. Emile Sep 2024 #18

SheltieLover

(80,548 posts)
1. Hi Tom
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:14 PM
Sep 2024

So sorry to hear you have such a moron in your work environment.

jmbar2

(7,996 posts)
2. Think of her as a candidate for conversion
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:17 PM
Sep 2024

Once he loses, she may be redeemable.

Moostache

(11,191 posts)
3. Seriously, set expectations and if they met them, keep them...if not?
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:18 PM
Sep 2024

Fire away...

Stupid people will out themselves if you merely hold them accountable to logic, reason and common sense. If she is too stupid to function in the role, you should feel no remorse when the time comes to shed the dead weight. Employment is a two-way exchange, and if your the only one holding up the agreement, fairness decides, not you! At least that is always the way I tell myself in such situations...

TomSlick

(13,018 posts)
6. I need the night to calm.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:22 PM
Sep 2024

There are not a lot of people looking for work in our small town. If there was, she wouldn't have been hired in the first place. She can at least answer the phone and type.

bullimiami

(14,075 posts)
4. Work is work. If they do their job.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:20 PM
Sep 2024

No reason to bring politics into the office unless that’s part if the job.

anciano

(2,258 posts)
8. Agreed 👍
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:28 PM
Sep 2024

Good answer.

agalisgv

(290 posts)
5. If you work in a law office
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:21 PM
Sep 2024

You should know the answer to this.

TomSlick

(13,018 posts)
7. Arkansas is a "right to work" state.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:26 PM
Sep 2024

"Right to work" really means right to fire. There are few restrictions on the legal right to fire employees.

I raise a moral question, not a legal one.

MichMan

(17,161 posts)
16. RTW has nothing to do with it
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 08:03 PM
Sep 2024

RTW means that people at union represented workplaces are not required to be union members in order to be employed. No more, no less.

Is she represented by a union contract?

lpbk2713

(43,275 posts)
9. If you asked her you should have been prepared for her answer.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:33 PM
Sep 2024


She didn't volunteer the information.

TomSlick

(13,018 posts)
10. Good point.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:40 PM
Sep 2024

Having established that she is an idiot, I should refrain from talking to her about anything unrelated to work.

However, that means I don't have to politely listen to her drone on about her family.

lpbk2713

(43,275 posts)
11. Fair enough.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:41 PM
Sep 2024


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LearnedHand

(5,503 posts)
12. If this person is your employee, why are you baiting her?
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:43 PM
Sep 2024

You hold all the power over her. Maybe you were joking but that seems like pure hell for that employee, whom you put on the spot with a divisive question. Is her employment seriously dependent on her voting how you think she should vote?

TomSlick

(13,018 posts)
13. I don't think I baited her.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:51 PM
Sep 2024

I only asked if she was going to watch the debate. When she said she didn't like Biden, I asked why.

I will allow it was clear that I didn't understand why she thought VP Harris and Trump were equally unattractive as candidates.

LearnedHand

(5,503 posts)
14. I'm imagining being that woman
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:56 PM
Sep 2024

If I don't know your politics, I'm scrambling for an answer that will get you off the topic without my losing my job. I'd say exactly something like that to you. More import though is the extreme power imbalance. No matter what your relationship with this employee (distant but professional, work buds, whatever), if you sign her paycheck she cannot win, no matter what her answer is. You are aware of how often women are the butt of such power plays in the workplace aren't you?

If she's a good employee, her politics do not matter. If she's a crappy employee, it has nothing to do with her politics.

Ocelot II

(130,572 posts)
15. Maybe she was afraid to express a preference
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 07:58 PM
Sep 2024

since you’re her employer. Best to keep politics out of the office altogether.

Fla Dem

(27,640 posts)
17. This is the best answer. Especially in this high tension, polarized political environment.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 08:11 PM
Sep 2024

Emile

(42,320 posts)
18. After an alert and discussion with the hosts, locking.
Tue Sep 10, 2024, 08:45 PM
Sep 2024

Nothing political allowed in the Lounge.

Feel free reposting this in General Discussion.

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