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iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:05 AM Oct 2012

It's SEVEN!

This post running around facebook

6 - 1 x 0 + 2 / 2

ANSWER IT!


It should be a national embarrassment that only 30% of the people answering it are getting it right. It is a double tragedy that those getting it wrong are so adamant that they are right to the point of making fun of those who are actually right.

No wonder our economy collapsed.

Sheesh.

It's 7. If you don't get 7, and you hold any position of power... shoot yourself; you are part of the problem.

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It's SEVEN! (Original Post) iiibbb Oct 2012 OP
I get 1. rug Oct 2012 #1
I'm sure you do... iiibbb Oct 2012 #2
Well, when I say get the hell out of there, somebody says rug Oct 2012 #4
rofl Left Brain Oct 2012 #21
That's what I get. How could it be 7? bluesbassman Oct 2012 #3
He set the timer for seven minutes. rug Oct 2012 #5
I see. Do they also say "Froderick"? bluesbassman Oct 2012 #7
Order of operations... open a math book... try a calculator that cost more than 99 cents. iiibbb Oct 2012 #6
I think your problem is you'd really like it to be 7. rug Oct 2012 #8
Well at my age the only book related to math I open is a check book. bluesbassman Oct 2012 #9
6 - (1 x 0) + (2 / 2) pokerfan Oct 2012 #15
You Multiply and Divide before you add or subtract LynneSin Oct 2012 #26
There you go! rug Oct 2012 #38
If you were an Italian mathematician... Dr. Strange Oct 2012 #35
I wonder if I should ask him whether I should used sliced or shredded mozarella to make pizza. rug Oct 2012 #39
That's what she said. Orrex Oct 2012 #10
Everyone forgets about Surly. rug Oct 2012 #11
And don't call me Shirley! pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #51
I did it this way: CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #12
Duck! rug Oct 2012 #13
Remember "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally" alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #14
Two divided by two is one Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #17
Yes. I am an idiot when it comes to anything mathmatical. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #19
Think of it this way Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #20
I use Reverse Polish Notation for everything, so I never have these problems. hunter Oct 2012 #16
I'm going to ignore your "order of operations rules" kentauros Oct 2012 #18
You're imagining things. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #23
Interestingly, the Romanian/Frenchman kentauros Oct 2012 #24
Seems reasonable. Curiously, pot is illegal for a similar reason... HopeHoops Oct 2012 #25
I thought it was Hearst that funded that movie kentauros Oct 2012 #27
That's entirely possible. ANY fiber is inferior to hemp. Still, "Reefer Madness" is a hoot to watch. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #42
Thanks for that great reference! I had seen a cover story in Pop Sci years ago ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2012 #53
You're welcome :) kentauros Oct 2012 #55
You just have to go and make everything complex, don't you? Dr. Strange Oct 2012 #36
I can't say that I've seen equations by engineers kentauros Oct 2012 #37
No, nothing so silly. Dr. Strange Oct 2012 #40
I never understood why "I" was used for Current. kentauros Oct 2012 #41
A lot of people don't comprehend order of operations, but yes, it is seven. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #22
Order of Operations: Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #28
There... Are... Four... Lights! Ptah Oct 2012 #29
i'm watching that episode, right now! MrsBrady Oct 2012 #50
While I fully understand the order of operations. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #30
Right... elementary math isn't important. iiibbb Oct 2012 #31
I think the best answer might be rrneck Oct 2012 #32
It is written properly. iiibbb Oct 2012 #43
Ah. Shows what i know. rrneck Oct 2012 #45
One could argue that it is not written clearly and unambiguously ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2012 #54
42 MiddleFingerMom Oct 2012 #33
Show ypur work. rrneck Oct 2012 #34
No, it's... um... wait. Yes, you're right. It's seven. Bucky Oct 2012 #44
Just please tell me one instance when I would ever have to use that? femmocrat Oct 2012 #46
If you can't fathom why math is important, way to reinforce a stereotype iiibbb Oct 2012 #47
Now you are reinforcing a stereotype, aren't you? femmocrat Oct 2012 #48
Is a 10-32 screw larger than a 10-24 screw? Ptah Oct 2012 #49
used Microsoft Excel formula =6-(1*0)+(2/2) tandot Oct 2012 #52
My Dear Aunt Sally know the answer. Scuba Oct 2012 #56
 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
2. I'm sure you do...
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:14 AM
Oct 2012

What answer do you get if you stick your head in the microwave?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
4. Well, when I say get the hell out of there, somebody says
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:17 AM
Oct 2012

"Fuck you, the answer is SEVEN!"

 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
6. Order of operations... open a math book... try a calculator that cost more than 99 cents.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:20 AM
Oct 2012

Parentheses
Powers
Multiplication/Division
Addition/Subtraction

6 - 1 x 0 + 2 / 2

=

6 - 0 + 1

=

7


This is grade-school math... there is not a different answer if you work it backwards. That is why math has rules.

It is truly frightening that as many people get this wrong, as get it wrong. Chinese students are probably starting Calculus right out of grade school, and our population can't deal with simple math.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
26. You Multiply and Divide before you add or subtract
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:53 AM
Oct 2012

Unless there are () around the calculation

THUS 6 - 1 x 0 + 2 / 2

6 - 0 + 1 or 7

If you want 1 then you'd have to put () around the 6-1

(6-1) X 0 + 2/2

that means 5 X 0 + 1

0 +1 = 1

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
39. I wonder if I should ask him whether I should used sliced or shredded mozarella to make pizza.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:04 PM
Oct 2012

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
10. That's what she said.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:31 AM
Oct 2012

Some people insisted that the film is called Snow White and the Six Dwarfs, but she was adamant.

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,619 posts)
12. I did it this way:
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:37 AM
Oct 2012

Six minus one equals five. Times zero equals zero.

2 / 2 means two divided by two. That is also zero.

Am I not interpreting it correctly?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
14. Remember "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally"
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:45 AM
Oct 2012

Arithmetic has a (completely arbitrary, as far as I can tell) order in which you should perform its operations. In grade school, we learned "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally" as a memory device for this order:

Please = Parenthesis
Excuse = Exponents, or Powers
My = Multiplication
Dear = Division
Aunt = Addition
Sally = Subtraction

These little riddles have been flying around the Internet for years, and they rely on a very basic inversion: because we read left to right, we attempt to move left to right in the order of operations. Instead, we have to follow the Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally rule to get answers in an order other than left to right.

This is the way the mathletes made fun of the other students in junior high school. It's actually rather remarkable that the OP is getting so worked up over this fairly predictable cliche of a mathlete puzzle.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
17. Two divided by two is one
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 01:24 AM
Oct 2012

Any number divided by itself equals one.

Zero divided by any number (except zero) is zero.

No number can be divided by zero.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
20. Think of it this way
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:21 AM
Oct 2012

You have two quarters. If you divide them into groups of two, that will give you just one group. Hence, two divided by two is one

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
23. You're imagining things.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 08:07 AM
Oct 2012


Ironically, the "imaginary" number is more real than "real" numbers. Laminar flow that allows flight and almost all forms of fluid dynamics only work if i exists.


kentauros

(29,414 posts)
24. Interestingly, the Romanian/Frenchman
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:18 AM
Oct 2012

that gave you the "stickiness" of airfoils (or something like that), was shut down by the French government in the 1950s for developing a solar distillation unit that was so efficient that it was cutting into the government's sea salt production.

Henri Coanda and the "Coanda Effect"

In the 1950s, the French inventor Henri Coanda designed an elegant method to desalinate water in Morocco (USP #2,803,591). He built a silo with reflective walls, mounted several inches over a tidal pool, angled so as to catch and multiply the sunlight, thus superheating the air in the chimney. The rising hot air drew in cold air from the bottom, and became super-saturated with moisture by the time it reached the top. Pure water flowed from the condensers there. The residual brine also is of great value to chemical industry and in the construction of solar ponds. The French government forced Coanda to cease operations because his device threatened their monopoly on salt production. (Figure 29)

Figure 29 ~ Coanda's USP # 2,803,591:



http://www.rexresearch.com/airwells/airwells.htm
 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
25. Seems reasonable. Curiously, pot is illegal for a similar reason...
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:38 AM
Oct 2012

The movie "Reefer Madness" (cult classic now) was funded by the cotton industry. Hemp has always been superior to cotton and even the cotton industry knew this. EVERY sail and rigging on the ships that won our independence and served in our battles prior to the 30's were made of hemp. Note: Industrial hemp is what we call "headache weed" - it has very little if any THC.

Because of the threat to their livelihoods, the cotton moguls commissioned the movie "Reefer Madness" to give the impression that if you took so much as one hit off of a reefer joint you would go insane, kill your girlfriend, pass out, and admit to committing murder.

As Gallagher said 30 years ago, "Pot doesn't make me want to commit crimes. It makes me want to lie around on the couch." It was the same playbook back then as it is now with the GOP. Make up a lie and repeat it. Sound familiar? "Zeig Heil!"

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
27. I thought it was Hearst that funded that movie
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:07 AM
Oct 2012

due to hemp cutting into his investment into the woodpulp paper industry. We've probably both read the same info on hemp. I have shoes that are falling apart because ecolution doesn't make that particular hemp shoe style any more

Governments haven't wanted people to be happy for thousands of years. It's harder to control happy people. Now, where's my ketamine?

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
42. That's entirely possible. ANY fiber is inferior to hemp. Still, "Reefer Madness" is a hoot to watch.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:47 PM
Oct 2012

It almost predicted "FOX Noise". It opens with "a scientist" (or something) saying "what you are about to see didn't happen, but it could". The only difference is that FOX doesn't bother with the "this didn't happen" part.

eppur_se_muova

(41,942 posts)
53. Thanks for that great reference! I had seen a cover story in Pop Sci years ago ...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 12:05 PM
Oct 2012

about a similar tower for desalination and power generation, but have never found the article again.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
55. You're welcome :)
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:11 PM
Oct 2012

I'd read about it years ago and ever since I've always wondered why countries that set up desalination plants don't go for something cheaper and easier, like this design (I'm sure there are other solar designs that could work, too.) Seems like California would be a perfect place for a solar desalination plant

Dr. Strange

(26,058 posts)
36. You just have to go and make everything complex, don't you?
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:56 PM
Oct 2012

Kudos on calling it i though, and not j like certain engineers.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
37. I can't say that I've seen equations by engineers
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 01:24 PM
Oct 2012

so I've never seen the use of "j" instead. Why would they do that? Or are they confusing it with e?

Dr. Strange

(26,058 posts)
40. No, nothing so silly.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:10 PM
Oct 2012

They use i for current or some such thing, and so they had to use a different letter for the imaginary unit. Serves them right for trying to sully mathematics with applications.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
41. I never understood why "I" was used for Current.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:19 PM
Oct 2012

Seems like they'd have saved it for something sane, like Impedance or Induction

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
28. Order of Operations:
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

Parenthesis -- none, does not apply
Exponents -- none, does not apply
Multiply -- 1 x 0 = 0
Divide -- 2/2 = 1
So far we have 6 - 0 + 1
Add and Subtract, and you're left with ... 7

MrsBrady

(4,187 posts)
50. i'm watching that episode, right now!
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:03 PM
Oct 2012

good thing there is no math involved in watching star trek...
I'd be sunk.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
30. While I fully understand the order of operations.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:16 PM
Oct 2012

It is not necessary knowledge to hold a position of power in most situations in life. Therefore, I hope you do not hold any position of power, as you would then be a part of the ego and power driven problem in society.

 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
31. Right... elementary math isn't important.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:40 PM
Oct 2012

It is right up with telling me evolution is "just a theory".

This is a severe disqualifier in my book.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
45. Ah. Shows what i know.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 08:46 PM
Oct 2012

I can explain cubism but I don't know what seven times nine is.

eppur_se_muova

(41,942 posts)
54. One could argue that it is not written clearly and unambiguously ...
Sun Oct 28, 2012, 12:34 PM
Oct 2012

even those who know the "correct" order of operations, in order to obtain the "correct" answer, must **assume** that the person who wrote the expression was aware of the same rules as well, and used them correctly, but this is not stated in the OP. This is the difference between science written for scientists, and good popular science exposition -- the latter, if it used any formulas at all, would guide the reader through the correct interpretation of the formula, never assuming that the reader was familiar with such things. A good popular science writer would have made sure that the expression was presented as {6 - (1 x 0)} + (2 / 2), thus assisting the reader in carrying out the operations in the proper order, even if they didn't know why that was the proper order. (Anal retentive) purists may argue that the parentheses are superfluous, but it is also true that they don't hurt anything. Idiotproofing is always a good idea, even if there is a shortage of idiots, which can't be counted on.

Without context, one can't know whether this expression was lifted from a medieval text, or even decoded from Babylonian heiroglyphics, in neither of which cases could the "proper" order of operations be assumed. Far from indicating that the world is full of idiots, the fact that so many people got the "wrong" answer is testament to the incomplete presentation of the problem (which is contrived in the first place). It's all a question of whether it was really written to be clearly understood, or written to entrap the ignorant, who are then to be derided for lack of fairly specialized knowledge (my bet is on the latter).

I've learned a (very) little about programming, and I make damned sure to disambiguate expressions with parens, especially Boolean expressions. To do otherwise is to start down the slippery slope to Obtuse-C.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
34. Show ypur work.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:47 PM
Oct 2012

And when you do I've got a favor or two to ask relating to certain home improvements and Zoey Deschanel.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
46. Just please tell me one instance when I would ever have to use that?
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:14 PM
Oct 2012

And why I should care?

My theory about why they emphasize math is because it keeps kids from thinking about the opposite sex while they are occupied with all that homework.
When I hit college and found out that I no longer had to take math classes, my social life improved considerably!

 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
47. If you can't fathom why math is important, way to reinforce a stereotype
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:40 AM
Oct 2012

perhaps explains why women's incomes aren't on parwith men's

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
48. Now you are reinforcing a stereotype, aren't you?
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:42 PM
Oct 2012

I believe that most women don't earn as much as men, not because SOME of them don't use math, but because they are relegated to low-paying jobs.

And BTW, you didn't answer my question.

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