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[CaliforniaPeggy]

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[Baitball Blogger]

1. kick

[warrprayer]

2. k&r

[Kaleva]

3. PM sent

[nolabear]

4. Ruh roh. One too many slugfests in Meta?

When did this occur?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. It happened this morning.

He and I are emailing. He is devastated.

[nolabear]

6. I saw the PPR. What a mess.

[elleng]

12. DAMN. Send my regards please.

[Marrah_G]

15. Well, he could have stopped

But he was pretty darn insistent on being as offensive as possible. This is a community. That means making an effort to not make lots of people around you uncomfortable for your own amusement.

[Baitball Blogger]

51. Gosh, I'm so sorry there was no other thread for you to make this

statement.

[Panasonic]

20. tell him to send me a email

I want to talk to him...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

22. Does he have your email?

PM it to me if he doesn't, OK?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

7. He sent me his e-mail some time ago about my story idea.

Maybe I should drop him a line!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. He would be thrilled to hear from you!

He needs to hear from us.

Please do it...

[Lady Freedom Returns]

9. just did it!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

27. Just told him how to get a hold of me via FB too!

[redwitch]

10. What did I miss???

[abelenkpe]

11. What happened?

I adore his posts!

[rurallib]

13. so sorry to hear that. Loved his sense of humor

Well, I wasn't close to him, but rurallib wishes him well. I hope they can arrange a deal where he could return.

[pintobean]

18. Skinner said they don't do that now.

Back when spiralhawk was PPRed for woo woo. He said it was ok to come back, but starting over, and no more of the same behavior that resulted in the PPR.

[Panasonic]

21. TBH. I'm one of 'them'.

I think many has figured out who my original was.

No, and I don't believe in woo.

[pintobean]

25. Well,

welcome back. I'm not observant enough to guess, but I'm guessing I liked you if I knew you. You seem like a good egg.

[Panasonic]

26. Thanks.

Just looking at your signature reminds me of something..

Thanks!

[GoCubsGo]

14. Awwwwwww...

Damn. It won't be the same here without him.

[stupidicus]

16. don't know him

but was a bit surprised by the top post callout another DUer launched against him the other day. I guess I need to refamiliarize myself with the rules around here.

Sometimes this place reminds me of high school

[SoapBox]

23. High school...Ditto.

I knew of the user name but didn't know the posts well.

There are some users that are RABID, when folks say stuff they don't like (need I even mention Israel or guns!)

I hope the Admin keeps a common sense perspective.

[stupidicus]

30. that's more than I knew

I'm a relative newcomer here in terms of posting, although I've long used it as a news source. Given the size of the poster pool here, they occasionally post something I haven't picked up elsewhere.

Saying something others didn't like was his offense, and why I referred to this place as high school-like. It seems to me like the admin (well, more accurately the jurors) seem to show favor to the popular kids, at least that has been the perception I've developed from my limited experiences here.

I'd be most happy to engage the "rabid ones" on either issue you mentioned, but don't see them. I only respond to the posts that make it to the top page ike this one. That's why I was surprised to see the personal callout of hopehoops...

[LeftofObama]

17. What happened?

I guess I missed it.

[trof]

19. Link to the Meta post. It has a LONG reply list.

Whatever.

[ashling]

24. Replied to one of my threads at 10:41 this morning

what happened?

[Baitball Blogger]

52. It must have happened at 10:42

[Kali]

31. pretty much the same here

never put him (or anybody) on ignore, as I am mostly capable of doing that on my own, but no I don't think he meant anybody any harm and I know for a fact he has helped several here in real life.

the comment to AsahinaKimi was WAY over the line in a long history of pretty much close to or over the line postings but he was not malicious that I ever saw.

He was warned a number of times and I am always sorry to see any long time DUer get banned, but I can understand why Skinner made the decision.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

32. "There's always Ignore."

Yet people have decided to stop using it.

[Texasgal]

45. ignore should not be an excuse

for poor behavior. When we simply ignore we allow this behavior to continue.

I know that you may not understand that, but his posts were against the TOS as illustrated in many of the jury's votes.

If someone were to tell me that my posts were unacceptable,sexist and offensive I think I would try to change my tune. He decided that he couldn't and wouldn't.

This PPR is his fault, completely.

I wouldn't mind him coming back with a better grasp on what he says. I have nothing against him except that he was crude and sexist.

[Baitball Blogger]

53. They don't want to use Ignore because it will take them off the jury list that can remove the people

that offend them the most.

What I notice the most about the people that want flesh, is that I see them starting a lot of threads complaining about things, but very few which bring new subject matter to this forum that is neutral and fun.

If we were allowed to put people on Ignore and still be able to serve on juries, the Ignore button might be used more. Nope, not even then because they couldn't alert on offensive posters.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

56. What gets me is people can team up and yell...

causing stuff like this. There are so many other things that kind of energy could be used for. And then what? One group has done this, what else could happen?

[Baitball Blogger]

59. What I don't understand is how they are missing the big picture.

How can we become a progressive force when we're imploding internally? For that matter, how can it be progressive if the level of intolerance is so high that half of the people are using the Ignore button, and the other half are out to police it?

Makes no sense. But, it is what it is.

[applegrove]

29. I knew him from the Lounge. I don't know the details of

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the attacks but he had time to wise up. This has been going on for days. Don't dehumanize people is a good rule of thumb. We all lose.

[Incitatus]

33. That sucks.

He clearly wasn't a freeper troll. Suspensions for members who are liberals and admins believe are in violation of the rules should be considered instead of banning. I stay out of meta so I'm not sure what exactly happened but it appears someone did call him out in an OP (an obvious violation of the rules) and things just escalated.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

35. But, as I have been told, that is what THAT forum is for.

I like to call it "The Forum that MUST NOT be Named".

[Incitatus]

41. So they can antagonize him with impunity but when he reacts in that thread, he gets banned?

That seems to be the case since that looks like what happened.

I thought that was the whole reason in not allowing call-outs. Either the rules apply there or they don't. That's messed up.

[mysuzuki2]

34. Some of the people who poat on meta are real pieces of work.

I'd rather have a rough about the edges but basically decent person like hopehoops around anyday than some of the hateful, perpetually outraged, nasty PC extremists who haunt Meta

[Lady Freedom Returns]

36. It think that is why they made "The Forum that MUST NOT be Named.

It is a place those types can go and not load down the other groups and forums with bitter posts.

[mysuzuki2]

38. you're right. I shall not name that forum.

But they know who they are. Hrmmph.

[Bake]

37. This whole situation really ticks me off!

And that's putting it mildly, which apparently we must do these days lest we offend the Thought Police. Heck, I've even seen CALIFORNIA PEGGY drop the F-bomb!!

Give my regards to HH.



Bake

[Lady Freedom Returns]

42. I happen to reported that thread. It was 3-2 t keep it.

The irony is what one of the Jurors said, "voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Give it a rest. So tired of people trying to silence speech. This is a FREAKING discussion board!"

[hay rick]

43. DU is a poorer place today.

Score one for the perpetually outraged.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

44. I fear it may become a dark precedent.

We will have to wait to see.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

49. Clicked wrong word.

Spell Check can only do so much.

[Kaleva]

58. LOL! It was an attention getting title while it lasted!

But I agree, spellcheck cannot tell me which correctly spelled word it lists is the correct word. I've picked the wrong word myself a few times and didn't catch it till after I posted.

[LoveMyCali]

48. California Peggy,

I don't know HH well as a matter of fact you can see by my low post total even thought I've been a member for years that I don't post all that often but Hope Hoops was very kind to me when I had to have my cat Cali put down and also recently gave me very good advice when my kitten was sick.

Some of his posts have made me cringe at times but I know overall he is a kind-hearted person. When you are in contact with him again please let him know I will miss him.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

50. HopeHoops made fuck jokes about my dead friend's funeral.

I really don't care about what he's drinking, snorting or shooting, or what other issues he may be dealing with.

He crossed a line with me and he can go fuck himself into eternity.

[Texasgal]

54. Oh man!

I am so sorry.

It's shit like this people don't seem to grasp!


Wow, I am so sorry Amerigo Vespucci. I am glad at this point he is gone!

[MrMickeysMom]

55. Jesus...

Don't you think that's a little harsh to think someone imbibes or is "using" when they are not here to defend it?

I have to admit that I have never seen (or looked for) an HH comment that sent me over the edge. That sounds like you were offended beyond reproach. Did you express your offense in a way that asked for an apology? I don't want to make you bring up something about the past, mind you.

I have a very difficult time with bitterness over things expressed here, regardless of the DU environment.

[noamnety]

60. I have a response to that - but I'm gonna put it in meta

in the defending HH thread so as not to further derail this, out of respect for Peggy and her intent here.

[one_voice]

57. FYI...

there are multiple shit on HH threads in META you didn't need to shit on Peggy's thread.

She's obviously upset about his banning.


I'm not defending HH, just saying could we leave Cal Pegs thread alone, it's in the lounge and it seems to be for friends of HH.

There are plenty of threads in META for this type of thing. She didn't start this thread for this.

Just asking if maybe you could cut her some slack on this.

[Lars39]

62. Not every one ventures into Meta.

He might not have known about other threads.

[pintobean]

63. Have a nice day.

Maybe he saw some of your many meta mega meltdown shit fits and was showing you the respect he thought you deserved.
Maybe he didn't care about what you were drinking, snorting or shooting, or what other issues you may have been dealing with.

Just a guess.

[bluedigger]

61. This might be a good time to self-delete your OP, CaliforniaPeggy.

I understand your motivation in starting it here in the Lounge where HH's friends could see it, but it isn't going anywhere good. If you self reply with your original message first, people will still be able to get the word without bringing further rancor here. Just my 2 cents.

[Baitball Blogger]

64. It took a number of threads to lobby for HH's removal.

I don't think it's asking too much to give his friends a chance to see this thread for another two days or so.

[rrneck]

65. I didnt see HH as a misogynist.

He was insistently crude enough to deserve a PPR, but I think he's an okay guy and I wish him all the best. He made me smile, and that means a lot.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

66. I just got an email from HopeHoops...

Anyone who wants to stay in touch with him, PM me, and I will supply the email address.

I am now going to delete my post, to keep any more unpleasantness from coming into it.