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Taverner

(55,476 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:00 PM Nov 2012

What was GOOD about Soviet Communism?

Having traveled to a few Marxist-Leninist and Maoist states, I noticed a lot of things. Going to the USSR with a Church Group in the 1980s, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos in the 1990s, and Cuba in the early 2000s - I was able to talk with locals, and get a feel for life in a Communist state.

Most people were sick of it - they wanted choices and they wanted freedom of expression. They also knew that with those things came the dog-eat-dog world of Capitalism. Ideally, all of them, every single last one of them, wanted something in between.

Just as every Empire or State can be capable of horrific things, there can also be some good - even if small. I still say the only thing that was good about the Third Reich was Albert Speer. The Stalinist USSR had a few more good things, but it also had a few more bad things. I think Stalin killed 10 for every 1 Hitler killed.

However, the Moscow Subway system? That has to be seen to be believed. You really got the idea that it was a palace of the people.

So, in looking at the good things under Communism, here's a few I can think of.



- Gazirovannya Voda Machines. These things were great - you paid like one ruble for plain mineral water, 3 rubles for flavored mineral water. They all had a communal cup that for some reason, was never stolen. If you were afraid of catching germs from another comrade, you didn't have to worry: the cup would clean itself after use.



- Ampelmännchen: East German Pedestrian Walk Lights. Seriously, how can these not be cool? These were all over East Germany, and just looked so much more friendly than the generic 'walk dude.' Even more bizarre knowing these came not just from Germany, but Communist East Germany.



- Soviet Guitars. I love my Tonika and you can have it when you pull it from my cold dead fingers! This Tonika was supposed to be a Fender Telecaster. I don't see it....



- Soviet Architecture. Just like Albert Speer being the only good thing about Nazi Germany, Communist buildings were pretty cool too. They totally ran with the whole 'Sputnik Style.' Here's a few more cool creations:




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What was GOOD about Soviet Communism? (Original Post) Taverner Nov 2012 OP
They fought over 200 German divisions. USA and GB only 10 total. RedCloud Nov 2012 #1
Well yeah, there is that if you want to be technical :) Taverner Nov 2012 #2
They had the people to do it sharp_stick Nov 2012 #6
And that 23 million doesn't include Jews forced into camps Taverner Nov 2012 #8
Bill Clinton put the number of deaths in the USSR at 57,000,000 RedCloud Nov 2012 #42
I saw some population statistics for the Soviet Union for the 1960s... lastlib Nov 2012 #19
I think the national hockey team won a few games in their day... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #3
I know my list is incomplete Taverner Nov 2012 #7
Interesting that you mention Albert Speer. Have you read Inside The Third Reich? ohiosmith Nov 2012 #4
No I haven't - I read "The Twelve Year Reich" Taverner Nov 2012 #5
I have a friend who has a couple of Soviet guitars... RevStPatrick Nov 2012 #9
I have a Tonika 6 string Taverner Nov 2012 #10
It gave rise to some pretty good jokes. Turbineguy Nov 2012 #11
They defeated Nazi Germany, for which we all should be grateful. Stalingrad, and after. kwassa Nov 2012 #12
If you were unemployed, you always had something to do when waiting in line for TP justiceischeap Nov 2012 #13
Soviet architecture? Yeah well, it depends. There are these examples as well .... yellowcanine Nov 2012 #14
Yup sharp_stick Nov 2012 #26
looks like modern american architecture looked at that lately? ret5hd Nov 2012 #27
English Russia is great website Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2012 #15
cool website...thanks for the link n/t BlueCollar Nov 2012 #41
Nikita Khrushchev was a worthy and fun opponent yellowcanine Nov 2012 #16
Yakov Smirnoff edbermac Nov 2012 #17
Their government was the model for every PTA or Community Service Club you will ever join. dawg Nov 2012 #18
...they didn't have religious fundamentalists.. lastlib Nov 2012 #20
I do think we need a "League of Militant Atheists" here in the US Taverner Nov 2012 #23
Don't they post in the "Religion" forum on DU? kwassa Nov 2012 #29
Why not "A League of Extraordinary Atheists"? Kennah Nov 2012 #32
Under Communism, Russia went from literally feudalism to superpower status in two generations KamaAina Nov 2012 #21
Tetris Enrique Nov 2012 #22
I remember that the CIA did test and investigated the Tetris game. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #30
Their mathematics instruction LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #24
The T-34 TheMightyFavog Nov 2012 #25
Stalin's five year plan (the first one, maybe two) Sgent Nov 2012 #28
What was good about it? Archae Nov 2012 #31
And now they have fascism, cronyism and corruption LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #39
Ivan Drago.... TeamPooka Nov 2012 #33
the AK-47 TeamPooka Nov 2012 #34
50% reduction in child mortality within 20 years of the Revolution. rug Nov 2012 #35
Stalin was said to have kept Hitler's head personally Taverner Nov 2012 #40
Cheap classical music cd's Tabasco_Dave Nov 2012 #36
Cheap Vodka. bif Nov 2012 #37
The speed with which they made some of their changes. Literacy, women's issues, making sure the arts Brickbat Nov 2012 #38

RedCloud

(9,230 posts)
1. They fought over 200 German divisions. USA and GB only 10 total.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:04 PM
Nov 2012

Sort of makes me want to kick Hollywood in the nuts!

They took the brunt. We grabbed the glory.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
6. They had the people to do it
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:16 PM
Nov 2012

and they had the firing squads to back it up if anyone turned around at the wrong time. There was no dissension allowed in the Soviet military.

They lost between 9 and 10 million in military deaths If you add in the number of civilians killed the Soviets lost around 23 million people or 14%.

RedCloud

(9,230 posts)
42. Bill Clinton put the number of deaths in the USSR at 57,000,000
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:32 PM
Nov 2012

He includes the people who died becuase the graineries etc. were bombed and caused massive famine.

lastlib

(28,269 posts)
19. I saw some population statistics for the Soviet Union for the 1960s...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:51 PM
Nov 2012

...when I was doing a paper for a college class on Communist systems. The ratio of women to men who would have been of military age during WWII was something like 3.8 to one. Almost an entire generation of young men decimated. It has had a ripple effect through Russian life ever since. There is more balance in the younger generations, but that older generation was utterly shattered.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
3. I think the national hockey team won a few games in their day...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:12 PM
Nov 2012

and there was some no-name guy they called Gagarin...

and the "Ampelmännchen" figures have a huge cult following even today among the nostalgia/kitsch crowds...

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
7. I know my list is incomplete
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:16 PM
Nov 2012

Yeah, I have heard there is a huge cult following over all things East Germany.

According to a German woman I know, she said it is a typical example of the German "joke within a joke within a joke"

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
5. No I haven't - I read "The Twelve Year Reich"
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:14 PM
Nov 2012

But that is more of a journal of everyday experiences of Germans

I knew Albert Speer recanted, and yeah he was a great architect, but there's no forgiveness for that man. You buy the ticket, you take the ride.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
10. I have a Tonika 6 string
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:24 PM
Nov 2012

Great guitar if you:

Replace the tuners, pickups and bridge
Have a 5-pin converter

Once you do that, it's actually a screaming guitar. The body has a lot of sustain to it, and the necks on those are solid!

Turbineguy

(40,076 posts)
11. It gave rise to some pretty good jokes.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:45 PM
Nov 2012

A guy walks into a butcher's shop and says "Do you have any fish today?"

The man behind the counter says "We don't have meat here, they don't have fish at the shop across the street!"

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
12. They defeated Nazi Germany, for which we all should be grateful. Stalingrad, and after.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:14 PM
Nov 2012

as Hitler overreached. Incredible sacrifice.

I also liked the subways in Moscow. Full of bronze statues ....I was there in 2002.

Women had professional opportunities under Communism that were way ahead of the capitalist west.

Everyone in Moscow has free heat, and as much as they want.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
13. If you were unemployed, you always had something to do when waiting in line for TP
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:23 PM
Nov 2012

Oh, and the constructivist propaganda art rocked.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
26. Yup
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:09 PM
Nov 2012

if you were lucky enough to be in one of the model or protected cities you could live pretty well. But the blandness of the average Soviet city is something else.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
15. English Russia is great website
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:28 PM
Nov 2012

for all things Russia, past and present, including former soviet states. I've spent hours wandering through this (huge) site; its worth checking out.

http://englishrussia.com/

yellowcanine

(36,792 posts)
16. Nikita Khrushchev was a worthy and fun opponent
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:34 PM
Nov 2012

How can you not like a guy who pounds his shoe on the podium?

edbermac

(16,449 posts)
17. Yakov Smirnoff
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012


"I enjoy being in America: it's fun, you know, because you have so many things we never had in Russia — like warning shots."

"In Russia we only had two TV channels. Channel One was propaganda. Channel Two consisted of a KGB officer telling you: Turn back at once to Channel One."

"In America you have American Express Card, 'Don't leave home without it'. We have Russian Express Card, 'Don't leave home'."

"The first time I went to a restaurant, they asked me 'How many in your party?' and I said 'Six hundred million'."

dawg

(10,777 posts)
18. Their government was the model for every PTA or Community Service Club you will ever join.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:02 PM
Nov 2012

Officers are elected, but generally in the form of a list of unopposed candidates that *someone* must have nominated. Sometimes the one with the title isn't the one with the power. Who knows what the hell the directors actually do. Things just .... happen.

lastlib

(28,269 posts)
20. ...they didn't have religious fundamentalists..
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 04:59 PM
Nov 2012

(Well, actually they did, but they kept their mouths shut, and didn't have
television or radio stations....almost paradise!-- )

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
23. I do think we need a "League of Militant Atheists" here in the US
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:40 PM
Nov 2012

But that's just me

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
21. Under Communism, Russia went from literally feudalism to superpower status in two generations
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:02 PM
Nov 2012

They were still using the Julian calendar before the Bolshevik revolution, for Pete's sake!

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,198 posts)
30. I remember that the CIA did test and investigated the Tetris game.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:41 AM
Nov 2012

They wanted to see if it was a mind control plot by the USSR to control US citicens.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
24. Their mathematics instruction
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:12 PM
Nov 2012

according to my cousin, who grew up in Estonia when it was a Soviet captured nation.

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
25. The T-34
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:06 PM
Nov 2012

The tank that broke Hitler's back.



And the IL-2 Sturmovik, the Airplane that helped.



Sgent

(5,858 posts)
28. Stalin's five year plan (the first one, maybe two)
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:18 AM
Nov 2012

achieved the fastest economic growth in the history of the world, and essentially turned a feudalistic agricultural economy into a fully industrialized one.

That being said, the 5 year plan also caused millions to die from starvation, instituted work conditions so severe that they were worse than what peasants had before hand, etc.

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
31. What was good about it?
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:56 AM
Nov 2012

It ended.

Otherwise it was fascism, cronyism and corruption. Nothing else.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
35. 50% reduction in child mortality within 20 years of the Revolution.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:28 AM
Nov 2012

Woadvanced in all the professions.

Literacy rates from below 40% in 1917 to near 100%.

Oh, and they reecovered Hitler's head.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
40. Stalin was said to have kept Hitler's head personally
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:04 AM
Nov 2012

Occasionally he'd take it out and pass it around

Tabasco_Dave

(1,259 posts)
36. Cheap classical music cd's
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:41 AM
Nov 2012

They sold them in the US i could buy any composer's music for $3.50 and it was all recorded by the Moscow symphony orchestra.


This is something made from communist China i'd love to have. Notice it's better quality than the capitalist crap they make today.

&playnext=1&list=PL9DB30B7700060755&feature=results_main

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
38. The speed with which they made some of their changes. Literacy, women's issues, making sure the arts
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:29 AM
Nov 2012

were open to and made on behalf of all. Those first five to 10 years -- marred as they were by civil war and misapplied priorities -- were amazing.

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