I want to kill god

[Taverner]

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That is all

[Lady Freedom Returns]

1. I just want him to stop hating me.

[hrmjustin]

2. Pray enlighten us!

[jpak]

3. God is Dead

yer about 40 years too late

"looser"

[kentauros]

4. Oh. I thought you said "Kill FOR God"

[hobbit709]

5. What have you got against your dog?

[Kaleva]

6. Most everybody gets a post hidden now and then!

(j.k! I don't know what this is really about.)

[pipi_k]

7. Cool...

send him here to the Lounge.

We'll all distract him and you can sneak up from behind and whack him.

[avebury]

57. LOL!

[cliffordu]

8. I love ya, man but I think I'll just stand over here for a while...about a mile or so away.......

and wear my rubber boots.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. bad ass.

[Kennah]

10. I want to kill, god. (Punctuation can be a motherfucker.)

[OutofMindOUTBody]

11. they made a anime called God Killers

[HarveyDarkey]

12. You can't kill something that doesn't exist

That is all.

[CheapShotArtist]

13. None of us were around billions of years ago

so there's no way to know for sure how everything came into being. Maybe there is a God, maybe not.

[HereSince1628]

14. Wow. That's progressive!!!!

[Taverner]

15. John Lennon died today

John Lennon died today. I still remember it like it was yesterday.
John Lennon's first album since he "retired" had come out, and it was a nice mix of his and his wife's songs.

I had grown up with the Beatles. Born in 1970, my parents had exposed me to The Beatles, the only "Rock and Roll" band they thought was worth anything.

But oh god, they were good.

I remember being a four year old and dancing around in circles to "Hey Jude" until I got sick.

I remember "Ticket To Ride" had a whole different meaning to this Roller Coaster junkie.

And suddenly, one of the Beatles, was dead.

Not just dead, but killed senselessly.

A man who never hurt anyone, someone who only preached peace and justice, killed senselessly for no reason.

By someone following the Anti-Hero's Journey.

Even at ten, I knew this was bad.

I listened to the vigils on the radio (the radio was my only friend during these times) and felt the same pain any other Beatles fan did.

I still miss you John.

[HereSince1628]

16. Well, maybe you aren't as progressive as I thought.

[Taverner]

19. Look, it's a fucking metaphor. God doesn't exist. nt

[HereSince1628]

21. Oh. Then wishing to be powerful enough to kill God

is just an appeal to sharing in popular sentiment.

So Sorry.

You're right that's not progressive at all.

[Taverner]

22. It's called a drunken joke

Fuck god.

If he existed then he has to answer for:

- The Nazis
- JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcom X, John Lennon, Phillip K Dick and every other martyr for truth
- Every fucking tsunami and earthquake


And after that, I have some real shit to take up with him!


So fuck him! If I were him I'd want to hide my face too!

[HereSince1628]

25. Oh.

[Union Scribe]

65. Perhaps you should drink less

and make sense more often.

[Taverner]

67. No I still want to kill god, or "Smack him in the face with a whiskey bottle"

But in then end, I am just running and rerunning the Oedipal thread that exists in all of mankind - that is - to kill your father.

Think Iron John with less hippies

[ohiosmith]

17. Too late!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

38. What did you do ohiosmith?

[darkangel218]

18. Deicide - Homage to Satan ^^

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[retread]

20. Jimi! I thought you were dead!

[cbrer]

23. Get in line Buster

I've suspected the universe was made on government contract, accepted on low bid, and completed on an early Friday.

With no complaint department, and everyone's born with a death sentence.

[Taverner]

24. HAHAHAHAHA

Have a triple of gin from me to you

[trof]

26. Mortality is an STD*.

*Sexually Transmitted Disease

[Supply Side Jesus]

42. now that's funny!

made me laugh out loud for the reals

[trof]

64. Actually, a doctor told me that.

Funny guy.

[frogmarch]

27. So, in other words,

you're

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[Taverner]

33. I like this!

[lunatica]

28. Someone told me once they don't believe in god because he's mean

and I have an aunt that tells people she doesn't believe in pepper.

[Taverner]

29. God doesn't exist (thank dog) because there is no evidence

But....

If he did, could you imagine a more pitiful existence?

I believe in dog because when I feed her, she actually eats the food I give her.

Therefore, she EXISTS!

[cbrer]

30. Without wanting to sound existential

Or certainly not pious, many would argue that existence of the universe is proof of a creative force. Simply because we've bastardized the concept into a money making venture doesn't negate its' existence. A true unified theory may never come...

[Taverner]

31. Well if it were necesarry to know this creator exists, wouldn't they have given proof?

[cbrer]

32. Necessity may not apply at this level.

Any number of possibilities are equally probable.

A need to know could be part of some spiritual enlightment progression as far as I know.

And if we're not sufficiently educated to recognize proof even when offered, then where lies the onus to admit "god"?

[Taverner]

36. Fuck him then - we don't need him

We just need ourselves

And we need work with that

[cbrer]

39. Hey wait a minute!

You went from killing to fucking.

You're starting to remind me of my ex...

[nomorenomore08]

34. I've often thought that the workings of the universe amount to one giant mathematical equation.

Which doesn't necessarily imply a "sentient" higher power at work, but that is one possible avenue of thought.

[cbrer]

35. Math could be the language of the universe

And provide keys to gaining understanding. At this level of development though, we lack even a complete picture of what we're dealing with. Much less any fundamental vision into its' workings.

[nomorenomore08]

37. And like language in general, it's simply an interpretation (or approximation) of reality.

But I hear what you're saying. So far as anyone knows now, the universe on the largest scale consists of long, thin filaments of galaxies with massive, roughly spherical voids in between. Which certainly implies a "pattern" (of sorts) to everything.

[Taverner]

48. Pattern =/= God

Patterns happen in everything from geologic formations to water behavior

[nomorenomore08]

55. Of course not. I never said it did.

I don't even have any real concept of God - I'm basically agnostic in theory, atheist in practice.

[Taverner]

58. Not really...does a river need a creative force?

[cbrer]

59. Um...yes

With no liquid/heavy gas from above plus gravity, there'll be no river. You're not arguing that the liquid/heavy gas was spontaneously created, so I don't see where you're going with this.

[Taverner]

61. YEs, but a lake is not a creative force

It is a natural force

We are the product of natural forces, stars which exploded billions of years ago. Not a "creative force" that is, a god.

[cbrer]

63. Glad you cleared that up...

It would seem to me, in my ignorant state, that at least some natural forces, were/are creative forces as well. That, plus the theories of evolution and natural mutation yield tantalizing clues to forces beyond our current levels of understanding. Which is all I'm really trying to point out. We don't know about the "god" thing. We know about the religion thing. We know a little about natural cosmological forces. But there are many more questions than answers. Heck I'm pretty sure we don't even know how to frame all the questions yet. And lack procedures and apparati with which to gain insight.

After all, the sonofabitch might deserve a good ass kicking anyways! No one is above an ass kicking.

But proving its existence as a prerequisite for violence becomes problematic...

Cheers!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

46. I think that God did show himself, just like in the old testament.

Then he did one on with Christ.

We, being humans, just kept ticking him off.


I have come to believe, in the last couple of years, that God finally threw up his hands in the early 1950'd and now sets back enjoys us suffering. There are a handful that he thinks is cool thus they seem blessed. I thought I was one he liked, now, I think no mater how good I try to be, I'm going to hell.

[Taverner]

47. If god wanted belief of his existence accepted, he would have proven him/herself

And would have shown him/herself to a literate culture

And would have made salvation less of a crap shoot

[Lady Freedom Returns]

49. On time he did...

now (I think) he is just enjoying watching us suffer. You know he did say he would never flood the earth, but he never said he would not sit by and watch us do it as he snicker at us. He is there, he just does not care anymore.


I think we are sorta agreeing, in a odd way. Different sides, but same direction.

[Taverner]

51. Fuck him then

We don't need him:

Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God?

[A Simple Game]

62. I'd like to meet your aunt.

I don't believe in salt.

We may make a good pair.

Although I do use a lot of pepper, and by a lot I mean what for most people would be inedible.

[Incitatus]

40. If only it were that easy. nt

[tonekat]

41. I spotted god, outside the 7-11

...but he made me, jumped in a black Esplanade, and peeled rubber out of the parking lot.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

43. sounds like suicide to me.

[astral]

44. God does exist.

Even if 'He' doesn't do what I want him to, even if I could not believe I am always protected or guided or if I would ever be 'saved,' God exist. I can't un-believe it.

How could there not be a God? I find it hard to understand how people can NOT believe in God.

But I'm not talking about religion or beliefs of what happens when we die, I don't have the answers to all that and I don't feel I need to have faith in anything that I am unsure of in my heart.

Without some kind of incredibly intelligent force behind it, the universe could not possibly exist. There are those who would agree with this statement, but then still say there is no God. To me, this creative force "IS" God, and whatever else mere humans have to say about 'Him' is neither here nor there. Some people may be right, others are obviously wrong, but then again we could ALL be wrong.

[Taverner]

45. False Argument - Cosmological Argument

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Courtesy of Lone Wolf: http://voices.yahoo.com/stupid-creationist-arguments-1-5-8396801.html


"Everything that comes into existence has a cause, the universe came into existence thus it had a cause and that cause was God."
The Cosmological Argument starts out with a decent premiss and then plunges head first into stupidity.

"Everything that comes into existence has a cause" this makes sense and fits with our observations (except maybe on the quantum scale) but beyond this point, it fails.
"The universe came into existence" this is where that argument starts to fail. The closest we have to evidence that the universe had a beginning is the big bang but as I've said in part 1 we don't know what was before the big bang. The universe could have existed in some form before the big bang, the big bang (and thus the universe) could have came out of another universe or some combination of the two. We don't know.
"and that cause was God" This is where the argument goes from a fail to an epic fail. Even if the universe had a beginning, that does not mean what cause the universe was some deity. It is much more plausible the the universe would have came out of another universe though some natural process.

To get out of the two fatal problems of the cosmological argument creationists claim that infinity is impossible, there needs to be a first cause because with out a first cause you get an infinite regress and infinity is impossible.
Of course infinity is not impossible. When asked why its impossible they will probably say something like "you can't have an infinite number of points between two points" (paraphrased). This argument is bullshit because infinity is not a number, infinity is a mathematical concept. Of course you can't have an infinite number of points between two
points but outside the two points it goes on infinitely, forever.

[Major Nikon]

54. You haven't provided any sort of proof of god

Just because god can't be disproved, doesn't mean that god has been proven. There is no proof of god. Never has been.

[Union Scribe]

66. Don't worry about these people

They clasp bitterness like it was something to be proud of, and are as closed-minded as any kind of fundie.

[astral]

70. Wow.

Well, I actually tried to reply to this post 2 days ago but my computer wouldn't let me so I copied it and pasted it and am re-trying now.

I didn't come to believe in God until my early 20's. I didn't come to this through a church, a Bible-thumper, or the Bible itself. I'm not trying to convert anyone, and I'm not bitter, and I'm not offended by anyone who does not believe the same as I do.

I am continually amazed at the vitriol expressed at people who believe in God, while looking at topics online. It's as if it is politically incorrect to have such beliefs. When I was three years old I was in the middle of an untouched old-growth, big-tree forest for the first time. This was the beginning of my awe and wonder and my later inability to NOT believe in an "intelligent creative force" that it makes sense to me to refer to as God.

Someone wanting to 'kill' God does not shock me at all, I know how people can get disillusioned in what to really believe when Life strikes a hard blow too many times in a row.

I too, have been around the kind of Christian people who told me I am going to hell if I haven't been 'saved' in the manner they believe I should have been. I'm fine with that. I can only come to my beliefs through my own Life experiences; this is why we all don't believe the same way.

It is important, however, to remain changeable. That is my opinion.

[baldguy]

50. Nietzsche beat you to it.

[deepthought42]

52. How would you

go about accomplishing that? I am curious...

[Taverner]

53. I dunno, prove god is wrong by going through absolution on Earth

Thus proving god is wrong?

[Tom Ripley]

56. "I'm waiting for God to show me his face...and then I'm gonna smack it with a whiskey bottle!"...

Jack Kerouac on a particularly extreme bender

[backscatter712]

60. Convert to the Klingon religion!

The Klingons killed their gods because they were more trouble than they were worth!

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Klingon_religion

[datasuspect]

68. dude

he would totally smite thee.

[Taverner]

69. Caligula pulled it off, so can I

[Chan790]

71. LOCKING.

In poor form, overdue for a lock and in violation of the SoP proscription on drama.

(This took so long because the hosts took a long time to deliberate it and we really kind of hoped it would just fall off the front page. Alas alas, did not.)